Where is the US economy headed?

@okie,

It isn't just gay marriage okie. Gays have been discriminated against in many ways. Florida won't let them adopt. Children have been taken from them for no reason other than they are gay.

But you don't seem to understand the 'equality' thing well okie. Just as long as you are more equal than anyone else, you are just fine with it.

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@parados,

I believe okie also believes it's okay to discriminate against Muslims, AND they believe in the Constitution. Go figure.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I believe okie also believes it's okay to discriminate against Muslims

It does not bother you to lie, does it, ci?

Addition to this post: Sorry, I notice you said you believe that okie believes...... I would simply point out to you that I do not believe that, so you have a mistaken belief, ci.

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@parados,

You didnt pay very much attention to the debate over the healthcare bill, did you?

Here are some examples...

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/obama-calls-for-mandatory-health-insurance-for-all-americans/

Quote:

WASHINGTON (CNN) - President Barack Obama said Wednesday that all Americans would be required by law to have health insurance under legislation he is proposing for congressional approval.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/HealthCare/obama-sign-health-care-bill-law-republicans-challenge/story?id=10176898

Quote:

Republicans across the country are specifically challenging the mandate in the health care bill that requires every individual to have health insurance, charging that it is unconstitutional

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-20/politics/obama.health.care_1_health-insurance-coverage-mandate-medicare-advantage?_s=PM:POLITICS

Quote:

President Obama insists that requiring Americans to get health insurance does not amount to a tax increase.

In a testy exchange on ABC's "This Week," broadcast Sunday, Obama rejected the assertion that forcing people to obtain coverage would violate his campaign pledge against raising taxes on middle-class Americans.

So as you can see, the new healthcare bill forces people to buy health insurance, or risk fines if they dont.

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@realjohnboy,

Here's a link to the full draft document.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/___Politics_Today_Stories_Teases/CoChair_Draft.pdf

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@okie,

In that case, I apologize. Sorry, okie, for assuming something not true about you!

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@okie,

okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

I believe okie also believes it's okay to discriminate against Muslims

It does not bother you to lie, does it, ci?

Addition to this post: Sorry, I notice you said you believe that okie believes...... I would simply point out to you that I do not believe that, so you have a mistaken belief, ci.

... unless they want to do something silly like build a mosque. In that case, you're more than willing to discriminate against their right to do so. Remember?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclohornblower,
Common sense dictates not building a Muslim mosque anywhere near ground zero.

Do you remember common sense?

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@okie,

No offense taken, okie. I'm pretty conservative when it comes to public spending matters and quite liberal on social issues. I abhor waste and big government and see deficit spending/borrowing as a short-term necessary evil, not business as usual. At the same time, it offends me that our representatives waste time and energy on social issues that invade the privacy and well-being of our citizens.

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@mysteryman,

So... let me ask you mm..
When were your forced to buy insurance?

That part of the bill hasn't gone into effect yet so the argument that Americans are being forced (past tense) to buy insurance is false.

But when it does go into effect it doesn't force anyone to buy insurance since they can not buy it if they pay a penalty. They clearly have a choice. The choice might not be a perfect choice but it is a choice none the less.

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If the Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire the many, many Obama tax increases will
take effect immediately and they will knock this fragile US economy on it's ass.

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@H2O MAN,

Please show us where Obama's tax increases will take effect immediately, and result in the destruction of our economy?

You're still missing the detail.

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@H2O MAN,

What Obama tax increase?
Please cite the legislation Obama signed that will raise taxes.

I think you are confused about who passed the legislation and who signed it. The GOP did. You can't blame Obama for a bill he never signed and never voted on.

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@mysteryman,

I don't understand this whole kerfuffle about forcing folks to buy health insurance. Does your state force you to buy auto liability, MM? Is there a fine if you're caught driving without insurance coverage? Do you buy it? Liability insurance is not to protect you nearly so much as it's to protect the other guy. Requiring limited major medical coverage is not solely to protect you, but to protect everyone else who must carry the load for the uninsured. If you want collision coverage for your car then you buy collision coverage. If you want well-health care then you buy well-health care. Would you feel better if this was forced at the state level (like auto insurance) rather than the federal level?

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If the 2010 income tax is allowed to expire for any group, that group will have less to spend on their private wants and needs, as well as less to invest in that which sustains and increases jobs.

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@ican711nm,

I guess the GOP shouldn't have passed the law then ican. We can't blame anyone but them. That is Bush's signature on the law.

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@JPB,

Good points, JPB. From another perspective, there is a federal mandate that all patients who show up in emergency rooms must be served even if they have no insurance. That increases the cost for everybody. Mandatory health insurance means that people with minor health issues will not go to the emergency room where cost is the most expensive, but to their local doctor or clinic.

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

If the 2010 income tax is allowed to expire for any group, that group will have less to spend on their private wants and needs, as well as less to invest in that which sustains and increases jobs.

The moment the Bush tax cuts expire is the moment the Obama tax hikes take effect, but that's just scratching
the surface of the increased taxes Obama has planned for all Americans, no matter what your income level is.

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@H2O MAN,

Quote:

The moment the Bush tax cuts expire is the moment the Obama tax hikes take effect,

The moment the Bush tax cuts expire is the moment he signed into law and the GOP congress agreed to when they passed the law.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

Quote:
The moment the Bush tax cuts expire is the moment the Obama tax hikes take effect,

The moment the Bush tax cuts expire is the moment he signed into law and the GOP congress agreed to when they passed the law.

That's what they get for resorting to Reconciliation to pass the tax cuts in the first place. The very practice they so strongly denied and condemned for the last two years Laughing

I think the concept that anyone 'raised taxes' is bullshit, if you can't point to a signed bill in which they did so.

Cycloptichorn

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