Where is the US economy headed?

rjb, Thanks for that info; I wasn't aware of Weiss Research or their ilk. It only confirms where ican's head is.

George, you can't be claiming that Hitler had no strong ideology, political or economic? That is frankly silly. Of course he and his aides had strong beliefs about politics and economics and they were highly motivated by them. Why else do you think they set about to kill millions of Jews that represented to them the greed of capitalism, which in their minds had caused the rest of the Germans to suffer? Have you in fact read Mein Kampf? When I started the whole discussion about this on the dictator thread, one of the things I did was to read Mein Kampf.


I am using what people say and do to judge what happened, not what some liberal whacko historian in Berkeley has written happened. I am sorry if facts burst your balloon about what you may have swallowed about revisionist history, but I believe the facts are clearly on my side of the argument, no question. Words do mean things, and actions mean things. What Hitler said and believed is recorded, and what he did is recorded, for all of us to learn and to know, they are not the exclusive property of liberal leftist historians. You also forget one fact, that leftist radicals are also often gangsters. They are gangsters by nature because they believe in the use of force to forge a world that they think will be fair. All leftists think the world, their country, the system, or free market capitalism is unfair. And Hitler and his cronies fit that mold to a tee.

Kuvie, despite your accurate historical interpretation and your logical analysis, okie will post that Hitler was a leftie just because he, okie that is, says so. CAse closed! Analysis unnecessary!

MArygrove College still is on McNichols not far from Livernois.

Is it part of U of D, or at least on the campus?

Some things are self evident, regardless of whether okie points it out or not, but I will point it out when it is obvious that some folks here do not recognize the self evidence of some things.

If you want to know what "self evident" means, read the Declaration of Independence and then ponder it for a while. Also, if two people are looking at a blue sky, would it make sense for one to demand proof the sky was blue? No. Some things should be simple enough to know what they are by simple observation. I feel that it should be obvious enough that Hitler was a leftist simply by studying the man even just a little bit, and more study only strengthens the analysis. Leftist historians trying to paint him as a right wing conservative is frankly silly on its face after you look at the evidence.

Note his use of the first person pronoun to justify his refusal to listen to people who devoted a minimum of six years of their lives to the study of 20th C history and political systems and who are fluent in the German language.



When the term 'revisionist history' is applied to Nazi Germany, the conversation is about Holocaust deniers. It would not surprise me if okie is a Holocaust denier.

Here, hokie pokie has the gall to say that 'facts' are on his side after he admitted that he interprets some vague idea of what Hitler did and said, without having read a single peer reviewed history text and without any knowledge of the German language.



Really???!!! Wow! So those flower power people from the 60s were gangsters? Who would have guessed?

Gee, hokie, can you please give us a link to the arrest records of all those gangsters?



Really? Gee, then all those people who followed the teachings of Mohandas K. Gandhi and Martin Luther King used force to forge a world they think will be fair? I mean, standing 6' 4" with a toned and muscular body, Gandhi was something of a bully but King was a rather pudgy fellow, hardly forceful in the physical sense!

I thought using force to forge their vision was the bailiwick of people like Scott Roeder, the guy who shot Dr. Tiller. Hmm, I am so glad that you told me that left-wingers attack and picket abortion clinics.

When my daughter was in college, she worked one summer at Brigham and Women's Hospital on a stomach cancer unit. An anti-abortion rights demonstrator spat in her beautiful face. I am so relieved to know that that person was a leftist! I was so deluded to believe that only right wingers picketed hospitals where doctors and nurses and summer receptionists like my daughter formed teams dedicated to saving lives. Thank you for correcting my errors.



I had no idea that "all leftists" formed a conglomerate with identical thoughts! I had no idea that leftists were against "the system!" Gosh, do leftists do violence to right wing digestive systems or simply to their own. Inquiring minds want to know!

I would guess that the Constitution is tatooed on the inner wall of your large intestine because your head is always up your ass.

There you go again with outlandish accusations. I am no holocaust denier, in fact I totally believe it all happened, because of what has been recorded not only for historians but for all people to see what and who Hitler was and what he believed. The man had a vision of utopia and he believed that even killing was okay if it was necessary to achieve his vision of utopia. Jews represented the evils and greed of capitalism, and in fact he blamed the roots of capitalism on Jews if I have it right, and that is why the extermination of Jews was okay to cleanse the culture of Germany. It wasn't merely an issue of race, there were flaws of the races that defined them, and capitalistic greed defined Jews, and so it wasn't simply the extermination of Jews, but it also involved the extermination and cleansing of the culture from the poison of capitalistic greed and unfairness, which all leftists believe is poisonous.

His hatred of the greed and capitalism is totally consistent with most great leftist dictators and radicals. Heck, read it for yourself. What do you think motivated the radical leftist friends of Obama in the Weatherman organization, such as Bill Ayers? Just a hint, it was not the love of conservative freedom loving principles that motivated them, pom.

You may not like the truth of what I have written here, but it is the truth nonetheless and nothing you do will change it.

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YEah! I was finally able to provide a link to an interesting and revelatory chart!

The only outlandish thing here is you. Do not use terms that you do not understand. While several writers may be rightfully accused of creating revisionist history, when the term revisionist is applied to Nazi Germany, it means Holocaust deniers.

Holocaust deniers tend to be extreme righties, as you are.

Punk, stop telling me to read something or other. I have done more reading from honorable history books, genuine literature and peer reviewed journals than you have and you are older than me.

And, you are a liar. You may be delusional as well. You and facts are strangers to each other.

Your decrying and denouncing of academics is pathetic. Just because you lack the intellect and the perseverance to follow a course of study is no reason for you to defame those who possess both and saw their projects to completion.

Actually, some of the rants about Jews, rich whites, and capitalist greed could also be heard from Obama friend and hero, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright. In case you haven't heard some of his rants, check out Youtube sometime, and also check out what Black Liberation Theology believes sometime, that is if you care to ever educate yourself just a little bit. Dare to have the courage to break out of your radical liberal bubble.

He shares the responsibility with Clinton, IMHO.
Both of their admins dropped the ball, Clinton for not retaliating for terrorist attacks during his admin, thereby making the US appear weak, and Bush for not taking warnings given seriously.

As far as the unemployment rate goes, I will admit that it was high when Bush left office, but it has gone higher under Obama.
He promised it wouldnt go over 8%, and it has been as high as 10% since he was sworn in. It is now over 9%.
You cannot blame Bush for any Obama policy that has affected the unemployment rate, because Bush is not in office now.

And don't forget the U6 rate which has gone to 16 to 17.5% and shows no signs of going down significantly.

I have been writing about this for years. Righties here and on abuzz always replied that the only marginally employed people were lazy liberals . . . that people can work in retail and earn handsome salaries . . . that poor career choices were responsible for marginal employment.

Why our centrist president is now seen by you as responsible for something you just became aware of or have just seen as a debate point is beyond me.

Unless, of course, it is because he is a black man.

ah. but you feel it is OK to blame Obama for any Bush policies that caused problems prior to Obama polices taking effect?

No reputable historian would call Hitler a "conservative", just as nobody in his right mind would call Stalin a "liberal".

You're just fighting this little crusade of yours because you refuse to believe that anything evil could possible originate from the right side of the political spectrum.

Using logic on those who confront any piece of information with a predetermined point of view will not work, but, perhaps, if all the logic that so many post here . . . you in the lead . . . will, eventually, sink in.

While I did qualify that statement with a perhaps, the statement is indicative of my Luke Skywalker Syndrome.

Good work.