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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 03:34 pm
@ican711nm,
ONE SAMPLE!
Quote:

http://obama-impeachment.org/

ImpeachObama?

Should President Barack Obama be impeached?

NO
601 Votes
38.5% YES
962 Votes
61.5%
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This website does not, in any way, support a presidential impeachment! Our goal is simply to state the law and ask your opinion. This in an unofficial tally of personal opinions on an Obama impeachment. We allow ONE VOTE per Internet IP Address. Your ONE VOTE may be changed following a seven day waiting period.

Presidential Impeachment is a serious matter and the US Congress regards impeachment as a power to be used exclusively in extreme cases. In the history of America only two Presidents, Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998, have ever been impeached and both were acquitted.

The impeachment and removal of a President from office was provided for by the founders of the United States in the Constitution. Article II, Section 4 of the US Constitution deals specifically with the grounds for impeachment and states:

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Impeachment is a two-step process including both the US House of Representatives and the US Senate. Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5 of the US Constitution grants sole power of impeachment to the House of Representatives:

The House of Representatives shall chuse (choose) their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

In the House of Representatives, the House Judiciary Committee, chaired by the ranking member of majority party, draw up a formal list of allegations called the "Articles of Impeachment." If the charges are approved by a majority of Judiciary Committee members the "Articles of Impeachment" are then sent to the full House of Representatives where a simple majority vote is needed to continue the process. Upon this passage, the President has been officially been "impeached" and the impeachment is sent to the Senate for trial. Article 1, Section 3, Clause 6 of the US Constitution grants the sole power of trial to the Senate:

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

In the Senate, trial proceedings are initiated with the Chief Justice of the United States presiding. To convict the President, a two-thirds majority of senators present is required. A conviction in the Senate automatically removes the President of the United States from office.

Recently, advertising billboards and political accusations supporting an Obama impeachment have arisen. Do you believe that President Obama has done anything that may be grounds for impeachment?

Remember, a US President is not impeached on grounds of political opposition to policies or values. Here is the law, once again, as it states in the US Constitution:

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 03:47 pm
@ican711nm,
ONE MORE OF MANY MORE!
Quote:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/3/impeach-obama
IMPEACH OBAMATarget:The citizens of the United States of AmericaSponsored by: [email protected]: The US Congress and The Supreme Court: Public Information Officer, Supreme Court of the United States, Washington, DC 20543.

We the Citizens, signed below, of the United States of America, hereby request that President Barack Hussein Obama II, be Impeached from office and a Impeachment election be prepared. Based on the following unanswered questions and concerns of the American people:

1. Voter irregularities around the country, during the 2008 Presidential Election, involving ACORN and illegal voter registration.

2. The questionable funding and television sponsorship of Obama which unfairly presented the facts between each candidate.

3. Barack Hussein Obama II actual birth place.

4. His application and subsequent acceptance of a fellowship scholarship as a Foreign Citizen

5. His recent comments claiming America is no longer a Christian Nation

6. His comments claiming America is a Great Muslim Nation.

7. His seeking to take over and control the banking institution

8. His take over actions of America%u2019s auto industry

9. Grave concerns of releasing Classified Military Documentation

10. The impending closure of GUTMO

11. His continued apologies to foreign countries about America being a strong Nation.

The most fundamental right of the citizens of these United States is to be presented with true and accurate facts on candidates that are seeking the presidency of the United States of America. The unanswered questions with regards to campaign funding, grass-root efforts by ACORN to get voters registered at any cost, concerns on why Barack Hussein Obama II received a Fellowship Scholarship based on his Foreign National Citizenship, certified copies of his original birth certificate and most importantly, his intentions behind making claims that America is no longer a Christian Nation, must be addressed and defined to the satisfaction of the Citizens of America.

Thus, we the people seek the recall of President Barrack Hussein Obama II, and respectfully request the House of Representatives and the Senate to move forward with a recall action immediately.

Sincerely,

The Citizens of the United States of America
To: The US Congress and The Supreme Court: Public Information Officer, Supreme Court of the United States, Washington, DC 20543.
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talk72000
 
  2  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 03:52 pm
It just shows the stupidity and arrogance of the right wing and their bullheadedness. If they had the courage to stand up to GWB they might have had McCain as president but cowed to GWB's presence and his stupidity.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 04:04 pm
@ican711nm,
LAST BUT NOT LEAST -- ICAN!

TO RESCUE AND SECURE OUR LIBERTY AND THE RULE OF LAW, OUR CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT, AND OUR CAPITALIST ECONOMY,
WE SHOULD VOTE FOR ONLY THOSE CANDIDATES WHO AGREE TO THE FOLLOWING:

1. Our first necessary objective is to elect people to Congress and the presidency who want to stop “excessive government spending and taxation.” Their mission must be to “secure public policy consistent with our three core values of Constitutionally Limited Government, Fiscal Responsibility and Free Markets.”

2. However, this first objective cannot be achieved without a president who will support and not veto it.

The solution is to first impeach President Obama, or initiate his removal from the presidency some other lawful way. He is unlawfully leading the transfer of private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it to those persons and those organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it. Any branch of the federal government that makes such private property transfers violates the "supreme law of the land," and their "oath or affirmation required by Article VI to support this Constitution".

When any branch of the federal government makes such property transfers, it is exercising powers not granted by the Constitution to the federal government. According to Amendment X, the exercise of such non-granted powers by the federal government violates the Constitution. Therefore, making such property transfers is unlawful.Because President Obama is committing these unlawful acts, we have to elect members to the House of Representatives, who will advocate, make, second, and debate a motion to impeach President Obama.

3. However, these first two objectives, while necessary, are not sufficient. Our next necessary objective is to convince future candidates to replace the current federal tax system with one that is necessary for achieving a government that actually shuns excessive government spending and taxation.

4. The tax system required is one which makes it difficult for Congress and the President to buy their future elections with government tax collections from particular groups of their constituencies. A tax system which is necessary to achieve that is a tax system that taxes a particular kind of a thing the same regardless of the quantity of those things taxed, and the quantity of those things owned by individuals. Specifically, we must tax each and every dollar of an individual’s annual gross income at the same rate (i.e., “uniform” rate) regardless of the size of that gross income.

If that uniform tax rate on individual incomes were for example 10%, a gross income of $10,000 would be taxed $1,000, a gross income of $100,000 would be taxed $10,000, a gross income of $10 million would be taxed $1 million, and a gross income of $10 billion would be taxed $1 billion. There would be zero pay backs, zero deductions, zero exemptions, and zero double taxations (e.g., corporate and inheritance income taxes must be zero).

Not only would such a tax system make it difficult to buy votes with tax deductions and exemptions, it would comply with the original meaning of the Constitution of the USA, Article I, Section 8, 1st paragraph, which says:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”

The word imposts means taxes, and the word uniform means the same for all things of a particular kind (e.g., dollars). Uniform does not mean, uniform non-uniformity.

Such a tax system would also comply with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.”
ACHIEVING THESE ADDITIONAL OBJECTIVES WILL MAKE OUR LIBERTY UNDER THE RULE OF LAW MORE SECURE

5. Persevere in Iraq and Afghanistan until mass murders there are significantly reduced, and the Iraq and Afghanistan governments can without our help secure their people against mass murderers, and prevent the harboring of terrorists of the people of other countries!

6. Monitor without requiring warrants, suspected terrorist communications on common carriers in and outside the U.S.A, without communications carriers risking any liability for such, and to prevent but not indict terrorist murderers from murdering Americans!

7. Limit the Federal Government to strictly comply with those powers delegated to it by the lawfully amended USA Constitution, and begin by terminating those federal departments not expressly authorized by the USA Constitution?

8. Appoint only those federal judges who will be bound by the USA Constitution, and who will fulfill their oath to support the U.S.A. Constitution?

9. Impeach and remove from office any federal judges whose decisions do not comply with the USA Constitution?

10. Impeach and remove from office any federal judge that cites foreign law to support his or her decisions?

11. Elect only those federal officials who will comply with the USA Constitution, and who will fulfill their oath to support the U.S.A. Constitution?

12. Impeach and remove from office any elected government official who fails to comply with the USA Constitution, and fails to fulfill his or her oath to support the U.S.A. Constitution?

13. Limit federal restrictions on the development of USA petroleum reserves in order to facilitate USA energy independence of foreign countries?

14. Limit federal limitations and impediments on the management and development of public school districts within the USA?

15. Limit total annual federal expenditures to total annual federal income?

16. Prohibit federal, state, and local government from taking private property to be used for private purposes?

17. Make all class action civil suits illegal?

18. Limit civil suit financial awards to a specified number times actual damages?

19. Require losers of civil law suits to pay the winners’ legal expenses?

20. Require all voters in federal elections to supply proof of U.S.A. citizenship and be lawfully registered a pre-specified number of days before voting?

21. Secure U.S.A. borders against illegal entry and register every non-citizen in our nation?

22. Require labor unions to hold secret ballot elections every specified number of years to obtain a majority of those workers in any shop, in order to represent those workers in that shop for a specified number of years?

23. Repeal all federal Campaign Finance laws?

24. Repeal all federal aid to education?

25. Repeal all federal charities?

26. Reduce annually by a fixed percentage all federal individual retirement programs for other than federal military employees?

27. Reduce annually by a fixed percentage all federal medical insurance programs for other than federal military employees?

28. Require all federal appointments recommended by the President to be voted on by Congress within six months from the time the President submits a recommendation to Congress?

29. Require the Congress to submit to the state legislatures for their approval a Constitutional Amendment that empowers 38 or more state legislatures to change a USA Supreme Court decision?

30. Eliminate laws limiting what individuals can voluntarily choose to do or have done to their own bodies?

31. Prohibit the Congress from establishing any form of theistic or atheistic religion?

32. Permit on a first come first serve basis the display of both religious and non-religious artifacts on or in specified areas of federal government property?
Quote:

http://www.cordair.com/apotheosis/ecards/poetry/guest/cant.htm
Can't
by Edgar A. Guest
Can't is the worst word that's written or
spoken;
Doing more harm here than slander and lies;
On it is many a strong spirit broken,
And with it many a good purpose dies.
It springs from the lips of the thoughtless each
morning
And robs us of courage we need through the
day:
It rings in our ears like a timely-sent warning
And laughs when we falter and fall by the
way.
Can't is the father of feeble endeavor,
The parent of terror and half-hearted work;
It weakens the efforts of artisans clever,
And makes of the toiler an indolent shirk.
It poisons the soul of the man with a vision,
It stifles in infancy many a plan;
It greets honest toiling with open derision
And mocks at the hopes and the dreams of a
man.
Can't is a word none should speak without
blushing;
To utter it should be a symbol of shame;
Ambition and courage it daily is crushing;
It blights a man's purpose and shortens his
aim.
Despise it with all of your hatred of error;
Refuse it the lodgment it seeks in your brain;
Arm against it as a creature of terror,
And all that you dream of you some day shall
gain.
Can't is the word that is foe to ambition,
An enemy ambushed to shatter your will;
Its prey is forever the man with a mission
And bows but to courage and patience and
skill.
Hate it, with hatred that's deep and undying,
For once it is welcomed 'twill break any
man;
Whatever the goal you are seeking, keep trying
And answer this demon by saying: "I can. "
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talk72000
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 04:17 pm
The Wall Street crowd caused the financial meltdown with their crooked deals and criminal scams and are out to get Obama's blood for exposing them.
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 04:55 pm
@talk72000,


I believe Barnie Frank's Fannie and Freddie scams were a much bigger cause of the financial meltdown.
okie
 
  0  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



I believe Barnie Frank's Fannie and Freddie scams were a much bigger cause of the financial meltdown.

Amen to that. And Obama continues to cover up the scams and shield his cronies and crooks from having to answer any serious questions.
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:10 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:



I believe Barnie Frank's Fannie and Freddie scams were a much bigger cause of the financial meltdown.

Amen to that. And Obama continues to cover up the scams and shield his cronies and crooks from having to answer any serious questions.


You guys never let evidence stand in the way of belief, do you?

Over and over you have been asked to explain how F&F 'caused' the meltdown, and over and over you have failed to do so. The most you have been able to assert is that they brought about a situation which somehow 'forced' banks and investment houses to get involved in the mortgage market. However, you have never - not once - backed up those assertions with any factual or logical argument at all.

Cycloptichorn
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:12 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
However, you have never - not once - backed up those assertions with any factual or logical argument at all.


It's not all that unusual Cyclo.

Oh--the "at all" is tautological.
okie
 
  0  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:33 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Its been backed up numerous times. You choose to ignore or pass them over as nothing.
realjohnboy
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:39 pm
@spendius,
Explain this to me, Spendius. Ten of us are playing in Fbaezer's World Cup game on A2K. There are 3 yanks, 2 Germans, 2 Mexicans, 1 Frenchman, 1 Irishman and 1 unidentified. There is no one from England!
What does that mean?
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Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:42 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Its been backed up numerous times. You choose to ignore or pass them over as nothing.


No, it hasn't. And I will say again: if they were responsible, and you could show how, you could do so in no more then 2 or 3 sentences. I challenge you to do so here; I predict you will be completely unable to do this thing.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:43 pm
@talk72000,
I can't understand why these righties aren't smiling their faces off over the bailouts! They love the so-called free market! They love financial domination! They detest personal responsibility and they worship greed! The bailout should have been custom made for them!
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:44 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
And okie expected me to sift through nearly 7,000 posts to find a discussion he and I had years ago in which I explained averages to him.
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plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:45 pm
Has anyone brought up the role of chain stores and cookie cutter merchandizing in the failure of the economy? What about the famous service economy that was loving promoted in the 1980s?
okie
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:48 pm
@plainoldme,
Now we've seen it all, the failure of the economy is due to chain stores and cookie cutter merchandising! You are hilarious, pom., but hilarious in a sad sort of way.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 05:59 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

I can't understand why these righties aren't smiling their faces off over the bailouts! They love the so-called free market! They love financial domination! They detest personal responsibility and they worship greed! The bailout should have been custom made for them!


You aren't clear on just who are "these righties" and just which bailouts you are referring to. Further in suggesting the bailouts are designed for those who love financial domination; detest personal responsibility; and worship greed, you oddly omit the beneficiaries for which the stimulus package and the bailouts of GM, Fannie Mae, Freddy Mac and major banks were designed.

Most of the so-called "stimulus" went to Federal Agencies and state governments simply to preserve the jobs of brueaucrats in underperforming schools and agencies. All it accomplished was to delay corrective action in states now approaching financial meltdown. That a large number of these folks are dues paying members of unions; and that a large fraction of these dues are redirected to Democrat political causes is hardly incidental. The GM bailout violated normal bankrupcy law to put the UAW's interests above those of bondholders. (The next bailout proposed is to use government funds to replenish the underfunded pension plans of unions that lavished large sums on Democrat political campaigns.

Righties indeed !
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H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 06:00 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:



I believe Barnie Frank's Fannie and Freddie scams were a much bigger cause of the financial meltdown.

Amen to that. And Obama continues to cover up the scams and shield his cronies and crooks from having to answer any serious questions.


Slobbering Barnie and his crew need to be brought up on charges.
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talk72000
 
  1  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 06:52 pm
@H2O MAN,
It was Wall Street passing the mortgages off as certified securities to all the other banks in the world that caused the financial meltdown.
H2O MAN
 
  0  
Reply Tue 8 Jun, 2010 07:07 pm
@talk72000,
No, it was Barnie, Freddie and Fannie playing house.
 

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