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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:53 pm
If the wealth of our country is redistributed by government, the lower and middle classes will lose wealth as will the upper class--except those running the government. Why, you might ask? Just like the upper class needs the creative and productive members of the middle and lower classes to enable it to earn and produce wealth, the middle and lower classes need the creative and productive members of the upper class to finance and direct the growth of the middle and lower classes. Without all these clases, many of whose members change classes over time, all the members of all these classes will be worse off.

Look at North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela who have equalized wealth. Except for those running their governments, the people of each of these countries are far worse off than people in countries that have not equalized wealth.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:56 pm
@H2O MAN,
Total fabrication.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 05:59 pm
Gosh, golliwillikers! Massagatto just published the same list he published years ago on abuzz. Needs to read the statistics published by the CBO which is widely considered the ultimate authority and which has demonstrated that real wages have remained stagnant for the lower four quintiles of the population since 1979 although the downward trend began in the late 1950s.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 06:02 pm
Anyone remember the movie Bus Stop in which Don Murray's character promises Marilyn Monroe's character a "deep freeze?"
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 06:17 pm
@plainoldme,
That Rectal Cranial Inversion you're suffering from has gotten worse.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:55 am
@plainoldme,
I can't find anything published by the CBO, plain old! Why don't you post it?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 06:36 am
http://www.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/8Paul-Devejian-,NY.nanny.jpg
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 08:01 am
@MASSAGAT,
Ask your mother.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 8 Apr, 2010 06:52 pm
@plainoldme,
Plainoldme, ask your own mother. She has a more responsible obligation to straighten you out than does Massagat's mother.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 8 Apr, 2010 07:31 pm
More economic bad news, jobless claims and unemployment figures not improving, and a prediction of another wave of foreclosures. Clearly, Obama's and the Democratic Congress economic policy is a complete and utter disaster.

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/04/08/Initial_jobless_claims_soar_in_latest_week/

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The number of Americans filing for unemployment insurance for the first time jumped last week, according to government data released Thursday.

There were 460,000 initial jobless claims filed in the week ended April 3, up 18,000 from an upwardly revised 442,000 the previous week, according to the Labor Department's weekly report."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/02/11/foreclosures-january-surge-way/

"Foreclosures Down in January, but Surge on Way?
The number of U.S. households facing foreclosure in January increased 15 percent from the same month last year, and a surge in cash-strapped homeowners who've fallen behind on mortgages could be on the way."



realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 02:00 pm
@okie,
Is there a spin doctor in the house? The DJIA is flirting with 11,000 with 20 minutes of trading left. Purely a psychological hurdle, but given the evidence above - in black and red, in bold type and capital letters - how can investors not realize that the economy is going to hell in a hand basket?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 02:26 pm
@realjohnboy,
Get while the getting is good and get out of town.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 08:03 pm
Quote:

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke sounds a warning on growing deficit
By Neil Irwin and Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, April 8, 2010 - page A01

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke warned Wednesday that Americans may have to accept higher taxes or changes in cherished entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security if the nation is to avoid staggering budget deficits that threaten to choke off economic growth. [Emphasis added]

"These choices are difficult, and it always seems easier to put them off -- until the day they cannot be put off anymore," Bernanke said in a speech. "But unless we as a nation demonstrate a strong commitment to fiscal responsibility, in the longer run we will have neither financial stability nor healthy economic growth."

His stern lecture came as the economy is emerging from the worst recession in years, sending the stock market up considerably over the past year and raising public hopes for a return to prosperity. But the economic downturn -- with tumbling tax revenue, aggressive stimulus spending and rising safety-net payments such as unemployment insurance -- has driven already large budget deficits to their highest level relative to the economy since the end of World War II. This has fueled public concern over how long the United States can sustain its fiscal policies.

The health-care bill signed by President Obama last month has further stoked the national debate over government entitlement programs, though the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office has projected that the legislation would actually reduce future deficits. [Based on information given them by 0 Administration!]

Barely two months after Bernanke was confirmed by Congress for a second term following a bruising fight, he used his bully pulpit to tread into an area of economic policy that is usually the province of the president and Congress. He characterized the budget gap as the biggest long-term economic challenge the nation faces, even as he acknowledged that reducing the deficit immediately would be "neither practical nor advisable" given the still-weak economy.

While the immediate audience for the speech was the Dallas Regional Chamber, his message was intended for Congress and the Obama administration. Officials in both branches have spoken of the need for a more sustainable fiscal policy, but few have proposed concrete plans to achieve it. A deficit commission created by Obama is scheduled to begin meeting at the end of the month.

With his warning about what could be the next economic crisis, Bernanke offered a contrast to Alan Greenspan, his predecessor as Fed chairman. Greenspan did little to sound an alert about the housing and credit bubbles that brought on the financial crisis and was pilloried on Wednesday by a special congressional commission for the Fed's lapses during his tenure.
Bernanke did not endorse any particular approach to reducing the deficit. But he laid out the "difficult choices."

"To avoid large and ultimately unsustainable budget deficits, the nation will ultimately have to choose among higher taxes, modifications to entitlement programs such as Social Security and Medicare, less spending on everything else from education to defense, or some combination of the above," he said.

His remarks highlighted the difficulties posed by funding these entitlement programs over the long term. With the population aging and medical costs rising faster than inflation, Medicare is set to become a major drain on the federal budget in the coming decades, though the recently passed health-care bill has delayed the date when the program will begin to require big infusions of cash.

Social Security is already draining resources from the broader federal budget, as spending on benefits has risen above this year's Social Security tax collections. While that gap is expected to be fleeting, the program, the largest single item in the federal budget, is projected to require sustained support within the next 10 years.

Bernanke argued that if the government develops a "credible plan" to reduce long-term deficits, it could help boost the economy before long. Such a plan could enhance investors' confidence in the financial health of the United States and make them more willing to lend the government money at lower interest rates. That, in turn, could lower long-term interest rates in general, making it cheaper for Americans to get a home mortgage or for companies to borrow money to build a factory.

Investors still view U.S. government debt as among the safest investments in the world. But the perceived creditworthiness of nations depends on fickle market forces -- which can change quickly, as Greece and other several other European countries have learned in recent months. Doubts about Greek debt, for instance, have driven up interest rates there and damaged the economy.

The Obama administration is in the early stages of crafting a strategy to reduce U.S. deficits, which are projected to hover around $1 trillion a year for much of the next decade. The presidentially appointed commission, known as the Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, has been assigned the task of helping develop that strategy.

Obama has said he expects the commission to look at all options for reining in deficits, including cuts to entitlement programs, reductions in other spending and tax increases.

On Tuesday, White House adviser Paul A. Volcker spoke in favor of higher taxes, telling an audience at a New York Historical Society event that the nation may have to consider a European-style sales tax, known as a value-added tax, to close the persistent budget gap. In answer to a question, Volcker said a VAT "was not as toxic an idea" as it has been in the past, according to Reuters. "If at the end of the day we need to raise taxes, we should raise taxes," he added.

Pointing to Volcker's remarks, Republicans in Congress accused Obama of plotting a big tax hike. "To make up for the largest levels of spending and deficits in modern history, the Administration is laying the foundation for a large, misguided new tax, a first-time American VAT," Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) said in a statement. Administration officials, however, said Volcker was not speaking for the president, who campaigned on a pledge to protect the middle class from higher taxes.

"The president has passed historic tax cuts for middle-class families and continues to push for more tax cuts. The president is not proposing to cut the deficit at the expense of middle-class families," said Kenneth Baer, spokesman for the White House budget office. [Oh really?! Well, we can only hope Seniors won't be put on the chopping block!]-dp

Bernanke has urged Congress to address long-term fiscal imbalances in congressional testimony before, but usually only when he is asked about them by lawmakers. His speech Wednesday aimed to reach a broader audience, steering away from technical economic speak and using plain, sometimes wry, language -- a rare thing for a Fed chairman.

"The economist John Maynard Keynes said that in the long run, we are all dead," he said. "If he were around today he might say that, in the long run, we are all on Social Security and Medicare."
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 08:12 pm
@realjohnboy,
realjohnboy wrote:

Is there a spin doctor in the house? The DJIA is flirting with 11,000 with 20 minutes of trading left. Purely a psychological hurdle, but given the evidence above - in black and red, in bold type and capital letters - how can investors not realize that the economy is going to hell in a hand basket?

Investors consider future months, actually years, as a huge component of the decision to invest into the market. Much of Obama's failed policies are shorter term, perhaps in terms of months or a year or two, maybe the rest of his term, but here is the point I want to make, call it spin doctoring if you wish, but this is how I see it. As it continues to appear that there will be a huge Republican victory this fall, and I think that is the current assessment, I think investors tend to see increasing hopes on the horizon as regards Obama becoming more unable to pass most of his really bad legislation, such as cap and trade, etc. I will predict as Congress poll numbers suffer and the numbers of likely Republican winners increase, the market will hold steady and perhaps continue to upward creep, otherwise we will see more stagnation in the market.

As it is, I don't think the market will really take off full steam until not only Congress is swept significantly from the dead wood, but also it will take another 2 years to see if Obama is likely to depart the scene in favor of a much more pro-free market and fiscally responsible administration. No market will ever thrive completely with a president that has Marxist sympathies that is trying to institute the overbearing and ridicoulous economic policies that we are now seeing with Obama.
roger
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 08:18 pm
@realjohnboy,
I'm too flabbergasted to spin. I'm looking at the upcoming Medicare (3.8%?) tax on dividends, interest, rents, and I presume market gains, and wondering why the DOW hasn't lost half its price.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 9 Apr, 2010 08:42 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

I'm too flabbergasted to spin. I'm looking at the upcoming Medicare (3.8%?) tax on dividends, interest, rents, and I presume market gains, and wondering why the DOW hasn't lost half its price.

Give it time, roger. If Obama keeps it up, it could still lose alot more. I think alot of the reason it is gaining slightly lately is that Americans are just optimistic people, and also you have only limited choices in regard to where to invest, its a crap shoot.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 01:50 pm
Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19198&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
THE MASSACHUSETTS INSURANCE BLACKOUT
This week it became impossible in Massachusetts for small businesses and individuals to buy health care coverage after Gov. Deval Patrick (D) imposed price controls on premiums. Under ObamaCare this kind of political showdown will soon be coming to an insurance market near you, says the Wall Street Journal.

The Massachusetts small-group market that serves about 800,000 residents shut down after Patrick kicked off his re-election campaign by presumptively rejecting about 90 percent of the premium increases the state's insurers had asked regulators to approve. Health costs have run off the rails since former GOP Gov. Mitt Romney passed universal coverage in 2006, and Patrick now claims price controls are the sensible response to this ostensibly industry greed.

Yet all of the major Massachusetts insurers are nonprofits, says the Journal:

Three of largest four -- Blue Cross Blue Shield, Tufts Health Plan and Fallon Community Health -- posted operating losses in 2009.

In an emergency suit heard in Boston superior court yesterday, they argued that the arbitrary rate cap will result in another $100 million in collective losses this year and make it impossible to pay the anticipated cost of claims.
It may even threaten the near-term solvency of some companies, so until the matter is resolved, the insurers have simply stopped selling new policies.

A court decision is expected by Monday, but state officials have demanded that the insurers -- under the threat of fines and other regulatory punishments -- resume offering quotes by today and to revert to year-old base premiums. Let that one sink in, says the Journal: Patrick has made the health insurance business so painful the government actually has to order private companies to sell their products (albeit at sub-market costs).

One irony, says the Journal, is that Patrick's own Attorney General and his insurance regulators have concluded -- to their apparent surprise -- that the reason Massachusetts premiums are the highest in the nation is the underlying cost of health care, not the supposed industry abuses that Patrick and his political mentor President Obama like to cite.

Source: Editorial, "The Massachusetts Insurance Blackout; Insurers go on strike after Deval Patrick imposes price controls," Wall Street Journal, April 9, 2010.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 01:55 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19199&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
HEALTH LAW WILL BE COSTLY FOR FLORIDIANS
The nation's new health care law represents a monumental series of missed opportunities. Instead of lowering the cost of health care for Americans, this law will increase costs. Instead of fixing the health care programs for seniors and those who cannot afford insurance, this law cuts Medicare and adds more people to the failing Medicaid system. This law actually cuts $529 billion out of Medicare, the health care plan serving more than 3 million of Florida's seniors, to create a new entitlement program. Instead of letting people keep their existing health care plans, this law will force many families out of their current coverage, says Sen. George LeMieux (R-Fla.).

For Floridians, the new law means:

More than 985,000 Floridians enrolled in Medicare Advantage will likely have their benefits reduced; the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services predict a decrease in Medicare Advantage enrollment somewhere between 33 percent and 64 percent.

According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Florida's small businesses employing 50 or more people will pay either higher health care costs or a new penalty because of new government mandates.

Moreover, many of Florida's 1.2 million college students will continue to pay 6.8 percent interest on unsubsidized student loans:

The health care law allows the federal government to take over the student loan program, saving what CBO estimates is $61 billion over 10 years.

But instead of passing those savings on in the form of lower interest rates, students will continue paying the current rate and some of the savings will fund new health care programs.
Also:

Based on an Oliver Wyman study, the youngest 30 percent of Floridians will pay 35 percent more as premiums rise in the individual market.

Approximately 4.45 million Floridians making less than $200,000 will pay higher taxes, based on estimates by the Joint Committee on Taxation.

Every Floridian's share of the national debt will increase when the cost of paying doctors to see Medicare patients is included (there will be $8,470 in new government spending for every Floridian).

Some 1.5 million low-income Floridians will be added to Florida's Medicaid program even though only 50 percent of doctors nationally are willing to see new Medicaid patients.

Source: Sen. George LeMieux (R-Fla.), "Health law will be costly for Floridians," St. Petersburg Times, April 8, 2010.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 04:46 pm
@okie,
Well done, Okie, on the spinning.
At the end of 2006, the Dow was at 10,000 and reached a peak of 13,900 in Oct of 2008 before slumping to around 7,000 near the end of 2009. It has now been gaining slightly (creeping) up by more than 50%.
One of the many of yall who are smarter than me can post the chart.
It could indeed be that investors anticipate a huge Republican victory in Nov and perhaps ridding the country in 2012 of a President with Marxist sympathies (your words).
Is there anything that you have seen in economic data, as opposed to cut and paste blogs with a bias, that look promising? Anything?
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 10 Apr, 2010 05:51 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:


Give it time, roger. If Obama keeps it up, it could still lose alot more. I think alot of the reason it is gaining slightly lately is that Americans are just optimistic people, and also you have only limited choices in regard to where to invest, its a crap shoot.


Good point. The money market my IRA invests in showed no change in the first quarter. No interest. Zip. Nada. I need to find a home for that money, and fairly soon. I really suspect that "Medicare" tax will apply, in spite of the general principle that it is tax advantaged. Wait, I think that surcharge applies above some minimal earnings level, but you never know till you get there.

I think recent gains in the DOW are related to retail sales, rather than anticipating coming elections. The volatile portion of stock market activity doesn't seem to look that far ahead.
 

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