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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 11:36 pm
@okie,
okie always making mountains out of molehills. His magnification must be about 2-million times what the average person sees.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:45 am
About banks profitability and those huge bonuses.

Quote:
Citigroup loses $7.8B in 4Q
By STEPHEN BERNARD, AP Business Writer Stephen Bernard, Ap Business Writer 37 mins ago

NEW YORK " Citigroup Inc. became the latest bank to take a cautious view of consumers' credit problems, reporting a $7.77 fourth-quarter loss due to failed loans and the costs of repaying government bailout money.

The bank said Tuesday it did see some early signs of improvement in its credit business although it still needed to set aside $8.18 billion to cover unpaid loans. That amount was down 10 percent from the third quarter, and 36 percent from a year earlier.

John Gerspach, Citigroup's chief financial officer, reported one of those improving signs during a conference call with the media, noting that the number of mortgage and credit card loans that were newly delinquent, or between one and three months past due, had started to stabilize and even drop in some of its lending portfolios.

However, "the U.S. credit story is still very much developing," Gerspach said.


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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 02:33 pm
This is meant as a warning shot across the bow, because of what's happening with more frequency of late. Many companies with liquidity problems are selling bonds to perk up their balance sheets with cash, but they've been showing huge business losses during the past year.

Be careful people, before you're sucked into buying those high interest bonds. They're trying to outlast this great recession with those bonds, but our economy is going to be a net job loss for the foreseeable future. That means more people losing jobs and homes, and consumer buying on the down-trend.

Banks have not acknowledged their real estate and commercial property lost values while they report high profit margins, and continue their huge bonus payouts to their employees. The numbers do not jive while more families lose their homes and business property rentals are way down.

Just watch what's happening in the hotel business; more discounts are being provided to keep their occupancy rates at bare minimums to stay open.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 11:17 pm
Quote:
By DAVID STOCKMAN
Published: January 19, 2010
WHILE supply-side catechism insists that lower taxes are a growth tonic, the theory also argues that if you want less of something, tax it more. The economy desperately needs less of our bloated, unproductive and increasingly parasitic banking system. In this respect, the White House appears to have gone over to the supply side with its proposed tax on big banks, as it scores populist points against the banksters, too.

Not surprisingly, the bankers are already whining, even though the tax would amount to a financial pinprick " a levy of only 0.15 percent on the debts (other than deposits) of the big financial conglomerates. Their objections are evidence that the administration is on the right track.

Make no mistake. The banking system has become an agent of destruction for the gross domestic product and of impoverishment for the middle class. To be sure, it was lured into these unsavory missions by a truly insane monetary policy under which, most recently, the Federal Reserve purchased $1.5 trillion of longer-dated Treasury bonds and housing agency securities in less than a year. It was an unprecedented exercise in market-rigging with printing-press money, and it gave a sharp boost to the price of bonds and other securities held by banks, permitting them to book huge revenues from trading and bookkeeping gains.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/20/opinion/20stockman.html?hp

right on.....from a guy with a lot of street cred.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 11:36 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawk, All true! Banks do not produce any products, and yet claim to have made billions in profit. They do this with fancy bookkeeping tricks that the feds allow them to practice at the sacrifice of "everybody else."

It doesn't take any economic class to know that an overabundance of US dollars circulating in this country without the products to back it up only creates inflation. The US government is guilty of the same crime; they keep printing money, and selling bonds as if there's no worry about the future inflation crisis.

What, me worry?
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:32 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Banks do not produce any products, and yet claim to have made billions in profit. They do this with fancy bookkeeping tricks that the feds allow them to practice at the sacrifice of "everybody else."

It doesn't take any economic class to know that an overabundance of US dollars circulating in this country without the products to back it up only creates inflation. The US government is guilty of the same crime; they keep printing money, and selling bonds as if there's no worry about the future inflation crisis.


Why is there is an inadequate supply of products to back it up?

I suspect that is because there are an inadequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up.

Why is there an inadequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up?

I suspect that is because there are an inadequate number of employers who can afford to hire an adequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up.

Why is there an inadequate number of employers who can afford to hire an adequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up?

I suspect that is because there is an inadequate supply of funds available to employers to invest in hiring an adequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up.

Why is there is an inadequate supply of funds available to employers to invest in hiring an adequate number of employees to manufacture those products to back it up?

I suspect that is because the feds enable and allow banks to practice at the sacrifice of "everybody else."

Why do the feds enable and allow banks to practice at the sacrifice of "everybody else?"

I suspect that is because the feds--that is the Obama apostles of Saul Alinski community organizers--are attempting to convert the USA capitalist society to a USA statist society.

Why are the feds attempting to convert the USA capitalist society to a USA statist society?

I suspect that is because the feds--that is the Obama apostles of Saul Alinski community organizers--are greedy for power?

Why does anyone prefer greed for power to greed for profits?

...

By the way, greed for power reduces total employment, while greed for profits increases total employment.

Quote:

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.cpseea1.txt
Total employment in the USA in:
December 2006 = 144,427,000
December 2007 = 146,047,000 (maximum total employment in USA history)
December 2008 = 143,338,000
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
December 2009 = 137,792,000


Total USA Employment Gain:
December 2006 to December 2007 = 1,620,000

Total USA Employment Losses:
December 2007 to December 2008 = 2,709,000
December 2008 to December 2009 = 5,546,000
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:38 am
@ican711nm,
You missed the whole point of my post. You are too stupid to continue any discussion with. You're now on Ignore.
parados
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:43 am
@cicerone imposter,
You have to wonder about ican when his argument is that Obama is making us more capitalist by letting the banks do what they are in order to make us socialist.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:45 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

You have to wonder about ican when his argument is that Obama is making us more capitalist by letting the banks do what they are in order to make us socialist.


My favorite is the argument that Obama wants to nationalize the banks - when he instead spent billions of taxpayer dollars to NOT do so. It's like these folks are completely unconnected from reality.

Cycloptichorn
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 12:26 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Unconnected from reality seems to be what most of the electroate is.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 12:47 am
@rabel22,
Quote:
Unconnected from reality seems to be what most of the electroate is.


either most of the people around you are crazy, or you are. A betting man would throw in with the majority...the odds are better.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:00 am
@hawkeye10,
Declaring people to be unconnected from reality is just a fairly polite way of declaring them to be idiots and mad.

Declaring people to be idiots and mad when they don't agree with the speaker is not an argument and therefore anybody engaging in such a cheapskate and elitist conversational gambit is actually crackers because they are unconnected with the process, a debate, they think they are engaging in and which they are not.

And when they only "seem" to be idiotic and mad there is a descent into even lower levels of meaninglessness. Or higher, depending which way up they are.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 10:55 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Declaring people to be unconnected from reality is just a fairly polite way of declaring them to be idiots and mad.


Well, yes.
Quote:

Declaring people to be idiots and mad when they don't agree with the speaker


I would never declare someone to be that way because they don't agree with my opinions; but to disagree with reality itself, recorded history, and ongoing events - to claim that the exact opposite of what has clearly and openly happened, is what is happening - is in fact idiotic and mad.

Cycloptichorn
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 12:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Who determines what is reality? And history is written by the winners and isent necessarly what truely happens.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 12:05 pm
@rabel22,
rabel22 wrote:

Who determines what is reality? And history is written by the winners and isent necessarly what truely happens.


Generally one ought to be able to point out multiple, confirming sources of information from separate parties in order to get a confirmation of 'reality.' But these guys never seem to do that.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 12:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
To claim that "Obama is a Marxist," there must be credible evidence for it. Otherwise, reality is ignored.

To claim that "our freedoms are being lost under Obama," they must provide evidence for it.

Using "reality" as a basis to determine the writer's claim is a simple one. If they can't provide the facts or evidence to support it, all they're doing is posting bull ****.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 06:00 pm
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
When asked to prove their claim that Obama has taken away their freedoms, they have never shown one incident of such an idiotic idea. None, never, nada.

Our actual claim is that Obama is ATTEMPTING to take away our freedoms.
Multiple examples of Obama advocating that which constitutes ATTEMPTING to take away our freedoms, have been posted here. Continuation of Stimulus, proposed 2nd Stimulus, extension of TARP, extension of Fannie and Freddie, Cap and Trade, elimination of charter schools, and extension of federal healthcare, are a few examples.
ican711nm wrote:
cicerone poster wrote:
Obama didn't listen to the people, and he lost. That's what Bush did, and the country almost died.

Well cice, you admit--or rather, logically imply-- Obama's amplified emulations of Bush's errors, if continued, will cause the country to finally die.

Will the real cicerone imposter please stand up?

okie
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 01:31 am
Unemployment claims higher than expected. Why does Obama insist upon his stupid health care reform, when he has much bigger things to work on now, which he seems not to have a clue how to fix. He continues to attack business, while he seems not to realize that business is the answer to fixing the recession, not government as he has claimed. True, government needs to have the right policies, but it should encourage business instead of planting roadblocks in their way and demonizing them as Obama does instead.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/20/news/economy/initial_claims/index.htm

"Jobless claims surge to 2-month high
By Blake Ellis, contributing writerJanuary 21, 2010: 10:04 AM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance surged to a 2-month high last week, the government said Thursday.

There were 482,000 initial job claims filed in the week ended Jan. 16, up 36,000 from a revised 446,000 the previous week, the Labor Department said in a weekly report.

A consensus estimate of economists surveyed by Briefing.com expected new claims to fall to 440,000."

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 10:45 am
@ican711nm,
The Obama administration has been converting our Constitutional Governance System into an Executive Governance System.

The Obama administration has been converting our Capitalist Economic System into a Redistributionist Economic Sytem.

Total USA jobs increased by more than one million from December 2006 to December 2007.
Total USA jobs decreased by almost three million from December 2007 to December 2008.

But one of the consequences of the above Obama administration efforts is:

Total USA jobs decreased by more than five million from December 2008 to December 2009.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 12:30 am
Quote:
Seattle-based Taco Del Mar said Thursday that it has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in the United States Bankruptcy Court in Seattle.

The company is expecting to continue all business operations during the restructuring without interruption. “Although this was not our first choice, we believe that the Chapter 11 process will allow us to maximize the value of the company’s assets,” said Larry Destro, president and CEO of Taco Del Mar, in a statement.

This restructuring does not involve the franchisee-owned Taco Del Mar store location operations.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/business/story/1040512.html

I also read today that WaldenBooks, where I once spent a lot of money and which once had over 750 stores, will be down to just over 100 by the end of the year.
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