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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 03:17 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

I've had more job seekers than ever. I average about three calls per week.

Hi, Green Witch. I don't believe we have met.
With regard to your comment above: We get a steady stream of job seekers also. 6 or 9 months ago, they were people who would run like hell if we said "yes." They were drawing unemployment and, perhaps, didn't really want to work. Now we are getting people who really want a job. Unemployment benefits are running out.
College students in this area don't want/need to work anymore.
You mention "calls" from job seekers. My young employees can be pretty brutal when someone telephones: "You want a job? Get off your (bleeping) butt and hit the pavement. Are you calling while taking a break from playing some (bleep) video game? Do you know what business we are in or are you just flipping through the (bleep) phone book, cold calling?"
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 03:25 pm
@realjohnboy,
What a bad mannered lot you must be. I suppose it's why you're so productive but is it worth it? It sounds like you're all snarling at each other as a matter of course.
JPB
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 03:29 pm
@Advocate,
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WHAT CAN BE DONE: The deficit can't be brought into line by either spending cuts alone or tax increases alone. Instead, a comprehensive approach is needed. "President Bush left the country with a wrecked federal balance sheet and progressives have no choice but to deal with it," says CAP President and CEO John Podesta. "The only way to stabilize the debt-to-GDP ratio and get it going in the right direction is to restrain domestic and defense spending, bend the curve on health care costs, and add new revenues. As progressives we need to debate the policy merits and likelihood of enacting a range of options -- including designing a small and more progressive value-added tax, changes to the corporate tax code, and taxing upper income earners beyond reversing the Bush tax cuts." "This will clearly require a balanced approach, and it is important that the balance is right so that the solution is not worse than the problem," write Ettlinger and Linden. Today's conference is a first step towards finding that balance.


WAY too much finger pointing and not enough meat. How about adding revenue growth through jobs -- not government jobs, real jobs? How about working to shake some TARP funds out of the banks to small businesses so they can what they do best --- grow the economy? How about looking at the numerous trade agreements that have resulted in Americans being a global consumer at the cost of pushing jobs overseas to save a few pennies?

It will clearly require a balanced approach is right, but I'm afraid they've left a few links out of the chain.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 04:56 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

What a bad mannered lot you must be. I suppose it's why you're so productive but is it worth it? It sounds like you're all snarling at each other as a matter of course.

Not true, Spendius. I am pretty laid back. Some A2Kers I have met can attest to that, I think. And my employees are pretty laid back.
I have been in retailing for -wow- 35 years. I have a few rules. Employees should make eye and verbal contact when someone comes in. Never walk away from a customer because the phone rings. They will call back or someone else will answer it. Ringing up a customer while talking on the phone is bad. If it is a personal call, you will be fired (never happened).
A few years ago, midst the gathering storm of the recession, a couple of employees left due to unrelated reasons. The remaining 13 came to me with an idea: don't replace those folks and instead give raises to them. They, amongst themselves, would make sure that all shifts would be covered.
Today we had 3 trucks pull up with stuff. Probably 4000 pounds of stuff. My folks, male and female, unloaded it all and got it in so the trucker could get on quickly to his next stop.
"A bad mannered lot"? I don't think so, Spendius.
Rather they understand the economy that is evolving, unlike the guy sitting in his underwear in the basement of his mom's house pretending to look for work by thumbing through the phone book.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 05:15 pm
@realjohnboy,
I was only assuming that--

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My young employees can be pretty brutal when someone telephones: "You want a job? Get off your ******* butt and hit the pavement. Are you calling while taking a break from playing some ******* video game? Do you know what business we are in or are you just flipping through the ******* phone book, cold calling?"


was a fair picture of the place.

What business are you in rjb?
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 05:48 pm
@spendius,
With all due respect, Spendius, please make it clear I said (bleep). Don't put words in my mouth I try not to use.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 07:23 pm
@JPB,
JPB, Good post; I agree with your opinions.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 07:31 pm
@realjohnboy,
We've sort of met. I often read your posts, but I try not to get my blood pressure raised on these forums and you dive into hot topics that I usually prefer to sit on the sidelines of. Speaking of...I have Spendi on "ignore". I got tired of thinking "Serenity NOW!" whenever I read his comments.

My favorite job seeker is the one whose mother calls for him (it's always a young guy). It usually starts when she asks if we have any openings for a (17, 18,19) year old student who is home for the summer. I then reply in a similar fashion as your employees: "Tell him to get off his computer addicted, lazy ass and hit the pavements..but don't send him to me- I don't want no mama's boy slowing down my crew..." Maybe this economy will wake a few of them up.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 08:49 pm
@Green Witch,
I used to see wives bringing their husbands in to sign up for work. Coming in to sign the sheet was normal in that business. Being brought by your wife is not really a good sign, unless she will also be bring the guy to work everyday.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 01:09 am
I try to be very courteous to anyone seeking a job, and I wish them well in their task. As a matter of interest, a couple of days ago I happened to be at the hardware store checking out when a person came in and asked who to submit her application to. Apparently she had been there before and had filled out an application. The clerk said she could take the application. I had to wonder about the apparent applicant, as I had not witnessed too many more people that day that was dressed as ragged and personal overall appearance that disorganized, as hair was not combed or anything even close to it, and it didn't look like she had so much as rinsed her face off in a week or so. I had to wonder how anyone could expect to get a job when they looked that disorganized and ragged. It was not a matter of not being able to afford good clothes, it was a matter of just cleaning up to a reasonable level. I guess some people are just sort of hopelessly self defeating.
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Philis
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 02:46 am
In the toilet............economic disaster
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 03:57 pm
Is the 200 point stock market decline a predictor of the next couple of weeks? Unemployment number due out tomorrow, I heard it might be 9.8% as reported on the news? A jobless recovery? How does that happen and last?
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 08:21 am
@okie,
9.8% it is. Obama, I would suggest you once again place faith in the American people, not the government, to turn this around. Quit demonizing profits and quit trying to nationalize industries.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/02/jobless-rate-climbs-percent-september/

Jobless Rate Climbs to 9.8 Percent in September
If laid-off workers who have settled for part-time work or have given up looking for new jobs are included, the unemployment rate rose to 17 percent, the highest on records dating from 1994.

The unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent in September as employers cut far more jobs than expected, evidence that the longest recession since the 1930s is still inflicting widespread pain.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 08:49 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

9.8% it is. Obama, I would suggest you once again place faith in the American people, not the government, to turn this around. Quit demonizing profits and quit trying to nationalize industries.


That has nothing to do with unemployment, and Obama is not doing the things you allege.

Okie, damn. Seriously. You really think that changes in Obama's attitude would lead to less job losses? It's ridiculous.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 09:25 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Yes, I do very much believe Obama's attitude has the economy on the run. Talk to business people. Not all are pessimistic with Obama's policies, but a good percentage are. If you don't know what to count on in the future, it places a big damper on business moving forward.

One example, car sales, people are waiting it out, they already know cash for clunkers / slash government meddling has happened and so people don't know whether to wait for another program, or when it happens what program will it be? Government meddling produces unintended consequences. Cash for clunkers essentially front loaded sales, plus it has driven used car prices up - somebody in the business was telling me about that, plus used parts business has been screwed up. This is but one example of many. The energy business is very suspicious of Obama's intents and possible legislations, which dampens business moving forward. Housing, the housing bonus will do the same as the car business, front load sales, then setting it up for a big crash.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 09:30 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Yes, I do very much believe Obama's attitude has the economy on the run. Talk to business people. Not all are pessimistic with Obama's policies, but a good percentage are. If you don't know what to count on in the future, it places a big damper on business moving forward.

One example, car sales, people are waiting it out, they already know cash for clunkers / slash government meddling has happened and so people don't know whether to wait for another program, or when it happens what program will it be? Government meddling produces unintended consequences. Cash for clunkers essentially front loaded sales, plus it has driven used car prices up - somebody in the business was telling me about that, plus used parts business has been screwed up. This is but one example of many. The energy business is very suspicious of Obama's intents and possible legislations, which dampens business moving forward. Housing, the housing bonus will do the same as the car business, front load sales, then setting it up for a big crash.


I love that your idea of a 'proper attitude' would be to kow-tow to Big Business. You really think that doing what is in the best interests of Big Business profits, is the most important thing for us.

This idea that the depressed car market or housing market has anything to do with Obama; this does not inspire confidence in your overall understanding of the problems in these markets, Okie. These problems predated Obama and have nothing to do with him.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 09:50 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Your problem is the same as Obama's, you dislike business, big business. I have news for you, it is business that has produced the wealth in this country. Big business and small business, they are what have produced wealth and provided jobs, not government. Government is a leach upon productivity.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 09:54 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Your problem is the same as Obama's, you dislike business, big business. I have news for you, it is business that has produced the wealth in this country.


Bull ****. It is the people of America who have produced our wealth, not 'big business.' Big Business has made a select group of people extremely rich. This is the entire purpose of it. Our modern system is akin to economic feudalism.

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Big business and small business, they are what have produced wealth and provided jobs, not government. Government is a leach upon productivity.


Government is the linchpin that holds our country together. Without a strong and effective government, there would be no profits for 'big business.' There would be no AMERICA as we know it.

Sometimes, there are things more important than profits for big businesses. The American people have an interest in things beyond making money. I wonder if you can even comprehend this.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 09:56 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Total and absolute baloney, cyclops, and your words demonstrate how woefully bigoted and wrong you are about business and peoples work. You are a socialist, but socialism when taken to the extreme does not work, wake up. Business is work, you cannot separate the two.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 10:01 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Total and absolute baloney, cyclops, and your words demonstrate how woefully bigoted and wrong you are about business and peoples work. You are a socialist, but socialism when taken to the extreme does not work, wake up. Business is work, you cannot separate the two.


Without the security provided by our strong national government, our business environment wouldn't exist.

Without the economic security provided by our government, our national banking system wouldn't exist. Neither would our stock market nor our manufacturing sector, nor our shipping or entertainment or health care industry.

You ought to stop knocking the organization whose existence provides the backbone for American success, Okie.

I have not promoted the idea of taking socialism 'to the extreme,' Okie. I am merely pointing out that modern corporate structure (Big Business') is a system designed to produce huge profits for those at the top, at the expense of everyone else. Specifically designed for this.

Cycloptichorn
 

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