Where is the US economy headed?

@cicerone imposter,

This recession would have hit sooner and harder without Bush's tax cuts, thats the answer. Actually the economy did okay under Bush, with unemployment declining under Bush after 9/11 and was hovering around 5% until 08 and began to rise when the polls predicted a Democratic win and when Obama won the election.

And the economy is always cyclical, plus taxcuts are but one piece of the puzzle. Other measures need doing, which have not been done, and definitely have no chance under Obama and the current Congress.

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@cicerone imposter,

What a laugh, ci. Sowell is pretty much right on. If you want to pick quotes to try to prove Palin is dumb, good luck, Palin is not half as dumb as Biden or Obama. I wonder if Obama still thinks there are 57 states or that 10,000 people died in the Greensburg Kansas tornado.

Oh by the way, I met a guy that helped clean up there at Greensburg, and he had a photo with him and Bush and some other guys, got to talk to him, and Bush is one great guy, they loved him there. Meanwhile, the Kansas governor was there and couldn't even get hardly anyone to talk to her.

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@okie,

okie, Show proof that what you say can be backed up - that without Bush's tax cuts, the unemployment would have been worse?

You always make claims without any support for them. Are you sure you graduated at the top of your class?

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@okie,

Sowell is "right on" in your ignorant brain. Show me where Sowell is "right on?" You can cut and paste from his article I posted on this thread.

Your claims are baseless and without any merit until you can prove your claim that he is "right on." I won't expect any intelligent answer from you!

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@cicerone imposter,

Just a question, ci, does Obama still think there are 57 states? Or does he still think 10,000 people died in Greensburg, KS? Or does he still believe the United States is a Muslim nation, that would be a better question? And does he still think his stimulus package will keep unemployment under 8%? And does he actually believe his Obama care is an emergency that has to be on his desk pronto? After more than 200 years without it?

Another good question, why are the people he organized in Chicago still living in the same old run down housing projects, even after all that money was sent there? And another good question, what did Michelle Obama actually do at the hospital that paid her that fat salary while she was there? Does anyone know? Maybe they should ask Obama friend Dr. Eric Whitaker, he might know? And maybe he might also know what Blago was wanting out of Obama too? Do you suppose, ci?

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@okie,

I'm asking you about Mr Sowell. Try answering my q first, and I may entertain your question afterwards.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

What a laugh, ci. Sowell is pretty much right on. If you want to pick quotes to try to prove Palin is dumb, good luck, Palin is not half as dumb as Biden or Obama. I wonder if Obama still thinks there are 57 states or that 10,000 people died in the Greensburg Kansas tornado.

Oh by the way, I met a guy that helped clean up there at Greensburg, and he had a photo with him and Bush and some other guys, got to talk to him, and Bush is one great guy, they loved him there. Meanwhile, the Kansas governor was there and couldn't even get hardly anyone to talk to her.

There's a difference between mis-statements and pure idiocy. Palin was and is an idiot. It isn't about her occasionally saying the wrong thing - it is about her complete lack of ability to say the right things, ever. She has a difficult time putting together any sentences which follow logically and regularly uses the worst sort of demogogue tactics to get her point across.

Your petty little popularity contest example above is a real sign of how little critical thought you have put into the importance of having an intelligent and competent president; you just want a guy you can feel like 'one of the boys' with. Obama scares you for a variety of reasons, but not in the least, I suspect, because he is more intelligent than you are and every speech he gives reminds you of that fact; whereas Bush, he never made you feel that way, which I'm sure was comforting.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

okie claims Sowell was "right on," but failed to tell us how. He has never answered any of my questions to him, but he feels free to ask me questions. His game playing is child-like, and has no concept about proper debate. He uses his own diatribe without basing it on any fact or evidence from reliable sources. In other words, all his posts are bull ****!

He claims he graduated at the top of his class. Either he's lying or his school is not really educating their students properly.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

He claims he graduated at the top of his class. Either he's lying or his school is not really educating their students properly.

Second in class, in grade school, ci. Salutatorian is not top, its second, look it up. And there were not very many students in class, less than 20. But even the bottom student learned how to read, and what Salutatorian means.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

There's a difference between mis-statements and pure idiocy. Palin was and is an idiot. It isn't about her occasionally saying the wrong thing - it is about her complete lack of ability to say the right things, ever. She has a difficult time putting together any sentences which follow logically and regularly uses the worst sort of demogogue tactics to get her point across.

Palin is no idiot. I'm not sure that Republicans are wise to throw our fortunes with Palin, I am not one to do that at this point, but she is alot smarter than Obama or Biden combined, at least she knows some basic principles about America.

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Your petty little popularity contest example above is a real sign of how little critical thought you have put into the importance of having an intelligent and competent president; you just want a guy you can feel like 'one of the boys' with. Obama scares you for a variety of reasons, but not in the least, I suspect, because he is more intelligent than you are and every speech he gives reminds you of that fact; whereas Bush, he never made you feel that way, which I'm sure was comforting.

Cycloptichorn

Actually an interesting contrast of personality, cyclops. Bush is a guy that is open and honest about who he is, what he stands for, and what he will likely do in certain situations, you have a trust, an expectation. He is a regular guy, a nice guy. Obama, I don't think so. He is a closed book in terms of who he is, what he stands for, and what he will do. You are left guessing what to expect out of him. People asked from the very start what this guy is actually about, and to this day we don't know, we have to guess about him. I am not at all comfortable with that scenario. You cannot take what he says, but what he does, what he has done, to judge what he is about. I've done that, and the feeling is not great.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

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Palin is no idiot. I'm not sure that Republicans are wise to throw our fortunes with Palin, I am not one to do that at this point, but she is alot smarter than Obama or Biden combined, at least she knows some basic principles about America.

This is an example of the level of your intelligence; you make claims without any evidence to support it except your own diluted brain.

For once, show us credible evidence from any source outside of your own imagination that makes the same conclusion as you do; that "she (Palin) is alot smarter than Obama or Biden combined?"

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@cicerone imposter,

Palin knows there are not 57 states in the union, and she knows 10,000 people did not die in Greensburg, KS, I am pretty sure of that, I think. But maybe Obama was thinking the number of member states of Islam? Hey, I don't know, ci, I am clueless what goes through Obama's head at times.

Biden, I am dumbfounded that you would ask why Palin is smarter then Joe. After all, he knows Israel can take out the nuclear facilities in Iran, that is just great with Obama. I think even Palin would doubt that.

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@okie,

Palin probably also knows that they don't speak Arabic in Afghanistan and wouldn't have insisted that we divert Arabic translators from Iraq to Afghanistan as Obama did and she probably knows who is on the UN Security Council and what their authority is which Obama didn't. But she gets smashed in the press, on the blogs, on the late night circuit for any kind of technical error like that, even if she is partly right, and he gets a minor mention of the gaffe and then it is quickly swept under the rug.

But double standard? Nawwwwwwww

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@cicerone imposter,

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For once, show us credible evidence from any source outside of your own imagination that makes the same conclusion as you do; that "she (Palin) is alot smarter than Obama or Biden combined?"

Someone might suggest, ci. that it's a statistically very likely and that it doesn't just apply to Mrs Palin.

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@Foxfyre,

I am curious of your take on Palin at this point? I am not really on her bandwagon, but then again, the woman is pretty sly, and she is a fighter. I do think the left is deathly afraid of her, which explains why they sent plane loads of investigators and reporters to Wasilla, and it is why they miss no chance to denigrate her.

Another interesting point about her resignation, Sarah is not a conventional politician, she makes decisions not based upon what somebody else thinks, she made this decision based on the realities of the job, her family, and her future plans. I am not judging at this point whether it was wise or unwise, I am simply going to see what she does from this point on.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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For once, show us credible evidence from any source outside of your own imagination that makes the same conclusion as you do; that "she (Palin) is alot smarter than Obama or Biden combined?"

Someone might suggest, ci. that it's a statistically very likely and that it doesn't just apply to Mrs Palin.

Am I the only one here that gets the impression that ci thinks Obama is really smart, maybe smarter than almost anyone, perhaps smarter than everyone? Or is that just my imagination?

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Here is one of Obama's brilliant quotes, showing he is really smart, according to ci. Maybe ci can explain this statement for the rest of us?

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I am curious of your take on Palin at this point? I am not really on her bandwagon, but then again, the woman is pretty sly, and she is a fighter. I do think the left is deathly afraid of her, which explains why they sent plane loads of investigators and reporters to Wasilla, and it is why they miss no chance to denigrate her.

Another interesting point about her resignation, Sarah is not a conventional politician, she makes decisions not based upon what somebody else thinks, she made this decision based on the realities of the job, her family, and her future plans. I am not judging at this point whether it was wise or unwise, I am simply going to see what she does from this point on.

I don't think Sarah is ready to be President. But I think she is smart and quick to learn and is quick on her feet to assess a situation. Her weakness has been gullibility in trusting media outside of Alaska to be honorable, but I think she has now learned the lesson that too much trust is not wise. I think with some time studying the issues, the players that are involved in them, coupled with desire, money, and opportunity, she could be a competent President, but I do qualify that with some other considerations.

I look at my own life and I've had some pretty big jobs with some heavy responsibilities. I did not have the training or credentials or experience or qualifications to do a single one of them. But I did them and, immodestly perhaps, I will say that I did them well. And I think Sarah would also be competent at anything she set her mind to do.

Would she be a good President? I don't know whether she has that kind of toughness or not. I think she has been a good governor. I think she would be an excellent Congresswoman or Senator.

And I think she would have the right values and principles in mind re all issues that we want in a President. Whether she has the moxie and connections to govern effectively, I don't know. Whether she has the desire, I don't know.

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okie wrote:

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I am curious of your take on Palin at this point? I am not really on her bandwagon, but then again, the woman is pretty sly, and she is a fighter. I do think the left is deathly afraid of her, which explains why they sent plane loads of investigators and reporters to Wasilla, and it is why they miss no chance to denigrate her.

okie, Wrong again! The left welcomes here with open arms to run in 2012; to ensure that Obama or anybody else that runs will win! Your perspective of reality is non-existent, because you fail to see the "obvious."

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@Foxfyre,

There was a question, Foxy, regarding Ms Palin on Rasmussen. They were going to be asking 1000 likely voters this:
"If she runs for, but does not get the Republican nomination in 2012, should she run as an independent?"
I said 12% of the 1000 would say yes, but that is neither here nor there. What struck me is how the political junkies on Rasmussen thought the poll would turn out. Despite my admonition about putting aside one's own opinion about the issue and focusing on what the folks being polled will say, the prediction from the guessers on Rasmussen is that 35% will say yes.
Results tomorrow.

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