Where is the US economy headed?

@okie,

They will do what they will do; I have no control over them. Do you?

You call them "an illogical bunch of people," but that from a guy (you) who doesn't understand anything in the real world.

The president and all the members of congress were elected "by the people" of the US. They will enact legislation that the president will most likely end up signing.

It's not whether "I want" them running our health care; that's not been determined except by conservatives who don't understand anything going on in congress as they debate universal health care.

You're so damn ignorant, it makes me wonder how you communicate with your family and friends about anything.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

You're so damn ignorant, it makes me wonder how you communicate with your family and friends about anything.

LOL. Pretty well. Few of them want the government running their health care either. Do you? You didn't answer the question. I guess you are probably on Medicare already, but do you want them to have more control than ever?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Who's talking about "government and logic?" That's an oxymoron, .....

So why do you want an illogical bunch of people running your health care?

Illogical people already do run your health care; I'd rather see the profit motive taken out of it, if that's the way things have to be.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

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Few of them want the government running their health care either. Do you?

You still don't "get it." Only conservatives talk about "government running their health care." Show us any place where Obama (try the white house web site) or anybody else who said they're planning the US health care to be run by the government? Don't bother with FOX news where you get most of your misinformation.

Your imagination is running away with your conservative meme that means absolutely nothing to most Americans.

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@cicerone imposter,

You do not understand the government, or political speak, ci. Yes, I realize Obama says he won't run it, but that is the direction he wants to go. For example, once you tax the benefits of a company supplied medical insurance, and the companies end up dropping the coverage, many of those people will end up with Obama-care. Then many of those private companies will likely shrink or go out of business, leading to more government involvement. I suppose you have never heard of the concept of incrementalism, and I guess you have not observed what I have observed in watching the government for a few decades.

As an example of how things go incrementally, just today, the news reports Obama closing up part of the "donut hole" of the prescription drug plan, which leads to more billions of government support, and ultimately more intrusion into how and which drugs are dispensed and charged.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

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"...but that is the direction he wants to go."

Please show us any proof/evidence that this is what he is planning to do?

Where do you pick up this kind of cockamamee ideas? You can foretell what people want? You're about the dumbest thing on a2k, and I blame your parents.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie wrote:
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"...but that is the direction he wants to go."

Please show us any proof/evidence that this is what he is planning to do?

Where do you pick up this kind of cockamamee ideas? You can foretell what people want? You're about the dumbest thing on a2k, and I blame your parents.

LOL!!!! My parents were Democrats.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

You do not understand the government, or political speak, ci. Yes, I realize Obama says he won't run it, but that is the direction he wants to go. For example, once you tax the benefits of a company supplied medical insurance, and the companies end up dropping the coverage, many of those people will end up with Obama-care. Then many of those private companies will likely shrink or go out of business, leading to more government involvement.

But, aren't those private companies able to offer better service than the government ones? I thought that was the entire point behind the argument of keeping them!

If the private insurers cannot offer better services than the gov't can, why do we bother with them?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

taxpayers pay for Obama care, or at least part of it, cyclops. Wake up. Most people opt for free stuff when its available.

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@Cycloptichorn,

I do agree with Okie on the fact that this is step one to a single payer system. And I see nothing wrong with that. I do think that supplemental insurance should be offered for those that are willing to pay for it, and I think that doctors should be able to choose not to accept Obama-care (for lack of a better term), and instead only accept cash/private insurance (assuming that there is more than 1 doctor in the area to service the population). I will have a problem with this program if they start to mandate things like that.

Single payer is different than "the government running your healthcare", at least at the individual doctor/patient level.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

taxpayers pay for Obama care, or at least part of it, cyclops. Wake up. Most people opt for free stuff when its available.

So, you don't think there's anything to recommend, re: private insurance, if a public option is available? At all?

I really fail to see what your argument is for not having a single-payer, unified system, then.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

I really fail to see what your argument is for not having a single-payer, unified system, then.

Cycloptichorn

My argument is something you may not have heard of. Its called "freedom," cyclops.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
I really fail to see what your argument is for not having a single-payer, unified system, then.

Cycloptichorn

My argument is something you may not have heard of. Its called "freedom," cyclops.

Don't be an ass. 'Freedom' has nothing to do with the form of health insurance we have in this country.

Why don't you make me a solid argument for why we should keep the current system...

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

By the way, after all the uninsured is identified, and the illegals and the people that can otherwise afford health insurance are eliminated, for the few million left, if they are so destitute, expand medicaid for them.

But what is all the moaning and groaning. My wife and I pay only 4 hundred and something for medical insurance and we are not quite 65 but getting closer, so our costs would be near the top. This is far less than most peoples rent of house payment. Medical care in this country is not a crisis. It needs reform, but to give people more power, not less, over their own health care. This entire issue is full of Obama lies and mis-information.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cyclops, a question for you stemming from this.

Do you think that a single payer system should be the only option for people to use? Or do you have a problem with Private/Supplemental insurance being available for those that are willing to pay for it.

Assuming that you're OK with supplemental insurance, do you have a problem with doctors catering ONLY to those with supplemental insurance, and not accepting Obama-care?

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@okie,

okie wrote:

By the way, after all the uninsured is identified, and the illegals and the people that can otherwise afford health insurance are eliminated, for the few million left, if they are so destitute, expand medicaid for them.

But what is all the moaning and groaning. My wife and I pay only 4 hundred and something for medical insurance and we are not quite 65 but getting closer, so our costs would be near the top.

What, are you smoking something? Lots of people pay WAY more than 400 a month for health insurance. Way more. And what's worse, is that much of the health insurance people pay for, sucks. It doesn't cover much of anything at all, and they will drop you in a cold second if they feel you are becoming too expensive. The public plan helps solve all these problems.

I really am starting to doubt that you have done any actual research on this issue at all.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I don't care about your worthless research, cyclops. I have had my own insurance all my life, that is pretty good information as good or better than your research, and I intimately know of other people's insurance, plus my brother was a doctor and he could tell you the nightmares of filling out reports for the government.

P.S. You are the pot smoker, not me.

And why would anyone be credible about anything that thinks a rat is as valuable as a human being?

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Cyclops, a question for you stemming from this.

Do you think that a single payer system should be the only option for people to use? Or do you have a problem with Private/Supplemental insurance being available for those that are willing to pay for it.

Assuming that you're OK with supplemental insurance, do you have a problem with doctors catering ONLY to those with supplemental insurance, and not accepting Obama-care?

Don't use the term 'Obama-care.' It's buying into the Republicans meme right off of the bat. Just say 'public option.'

I'm okay with Supplemental insurance, and doctors can do whatever they like; I'm not for forcing doctors to work for the gov't.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

okie wrote:

I don't care about your worthless research, cyclops. I have had my own insurance all my life, that is pretty good information as good or better than your research, and I intimately know of other people's insurance, plus my brother was a doctor and he could tell you the nightmares of filling out reports for the government.

P.S. You are the pot smoker, not me.

That's why I recognize the affected nature when I see it, Okie.

Your use of Anecdotal data to extrapolate a lack of a problem for others is the worst sort of idiocy, and insulting to people who really struggle with their situations.

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And why would anyone be credible about anything that thinks a rat is as valuable as a human being?

Your inability to understand my worldview is your problem, not mine. I certainly feel no problem with my view that it is only the limitations of our psyche which add a false sense of importance to our lives.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I have long supported the idea of expanind medicaid if necessary, only for the people that cannot legitimately buy insurance, but leave the rest of us alone. I also want to reform how we are taxed or not taxed for the benefits. I am just opposed to a single payer program. I don't want it, it will eventually lead to a very poor and very expensive system, much worse than what we have now.

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