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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 10:36 am
Well gosh, we have to have some manufacturing and production here in the states! How do we compete with foreign vendors who pay their workers 1/5th as much with no health care, if not some sort of protectionism?


Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 11:25 am
@hamburger,
hbg, That's correct; artificial barriers are not good for any economy; we must let the free marketplace work with competitive advantage as the system to advance everybody's economic growth.

Even the US used to be a cheap labor country where our products were in demand worldwide until we advanced our technology and transformed our economy from a labor intensive one to one of technology, communication and transportation. Even these three major industries are world competitive ones that requires continued R&D to advance into the next generation of marketable products and services.

Those are all good things which we must all advocate for.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 12:12 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
cyclo :

here is a list of several hundred U.S. manufacturing companies .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Manufacturing_companies_of_the_United_States

i remember what my old boss would say when someone suggested that our (life-insurance) company should "widen" its product line .
he'd say : "we should concentrate on what customers expect us to do and do it as well as we can - while making a profit at it . let's not get sidetracked into products that may have little relevance to the customer - and little profit for the company . and above all : provide good customer service - it takes ten times the effort to attract one NEW customer then keeping a current customer happy - and sell more to the same customer . satisfied customers well tell others - and that's good , but unsatisfied customers can easily destroy much good will that has been build up over a long time . "

i would say , that goes for the economy of a country too : do what you do well while making a profit .
if you can't make a profit producing and selling towels , you better find out what you can produce and sell at a profit .

when i look at the canadian employment situation , i see a rather strange fact : while our unemployment rate is getting close to 8% there are "tens of thousands of jobs" for qualified people - yet we cannot find the people to fill these jobs .
these are jobs for "qualified" people , NOT mcjobs .
it really baffles me that employers , governments and educational institutions can not find a common approach to deal with that .
it's rather strange and unfortunate that this has been going on for decades - and continues to go on .
hbg


while this report is somewhat outdated - it's three years old - the basics are as valid today :

http://www2.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/business/story.html?id=a6bf06c4-2fb5-46c3-ab90-06b8cd9808a3

from the article :

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Shortages of skilled tradespeople in Alberta's oilpatch are driving the Canadian problem right now, but the shortages are not limited to the trades, or to Alberta, said Michael Doyle, a regional director with Manpower Canada.

In Canada, the survey found the positions employers are having the most difficulty filling are for sales representatives, followed in order by customer service representatives, engineers, drivers, mechanics, labourers, chefs or cooks, electricians, skilled trades and nurses.

Among the actions required here to address these shortages in the coming years are closer links between employers and educators, increased investment in training, including for existing employees, and more flexible use of talent, the report said.

Doyle added that with its relatively high living standards Canada is in good position to compete with other countries for skilled immigrants.

Here and globally, the shortage is due to a combination of factors, including demographic shifts due to aging and low birth rates, inadequate education programs and the effects of globalization, including outsourcing and offshoring.

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 12:19 pm
@hamburger,
At least Canada seems to have the good sense to import skilled immigrants. We seem to be importing many more unkilled and unqualified these days than skilled folks. But we have the same phenomenon here: finding qualified people with the training, skills, and intuitiveness to get the job done. Even getting the McJobs people to get an order right is becoming a challenge.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 01:23 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxie wrote:
Quote:
We seem to be importing many more unkilled and unqualified these days than skilled folks.


Please provide evidence for your statement?
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 02:58 pm
@Foxfyre,
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We seem to be importing many more unkilled


THey are more useful when undead.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 03:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 04:40 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
We seem to be importing many more unkilled


THey are more useful when undead.


Embarrassed Laughing

(Sunflower seed hull stuck under the 's')
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 05:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
All these "unskilled" folks must be working in our restaurants.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 06:40 pm
Budget resolution passes House, not a single Republican vote for.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 06:55 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
They are the party of "no." They still haven't figured out that they lost the election, and they are now digging their own graves for the future.

Americans now see how childish they are; that they do not want to cooperate to help in the recovery of our economy is the last straw that broke the camel's back. They really don't even have any leaders to speak of except Palin, joe the plumber, Cheney, Rove, Steele and Limbaugh. What a group!
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It appears that the G-20 meetings have been successful at restoring some of our tarnished face in the world beyond the beltway.
Even the frenchies were impressed.
Now , if only the douche bags like H2o or gungasnake would try to get out of the way if they cant lend a hand.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 08:41 pm
@farmerman,
I have every confidence in Obama to present the best face of America. He speaks American English.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 11:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

They are the party of "no." They still haven't figured out that they lost the election, and they are now digging their own graves for the future.

Americans now see how childish they are; that they do not want to cooperate to help in the recovery of our economy is the last straw that broke the camel's back. They really don't even have any leaders to speak of except Palin, joe the plumber, Cheney, Rove, Steele and Limbaugh. What a group!

Beats your mob of tax cheats and big spenders, ci. Obama has been in office for how long, going on 3 months, and he is well on the road to screwing up the country beyond recognition and creating the most gigantic deficits in the history of man. Besides that he has done exactly what? Oh yeah, he is on the way to being negotiated into oblivion by the Russians, Chicoms, and Iranians, it won't be pretty. He has eliminated the war on terror, by just calling it something else, now that is brilliant.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 2 Apr, 2009 11:36 pm
I forgot to mention the World Financial Stability Board that will now be able to tell us what to do here in the U.S. Another great Obama achievement!!! Lets hope he doesn't have many more achievements, or its over for sure.

I hope Obama fails, or else we are all doomed.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 04:53 am
@okie,
I see him more as slowing down a runaway depression and getting our nation back on track after a protracted period of incompetent executives.

I understand that Bush is writing a book that will use ALL the colors in a Crayola Pack of 64.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 04:58 am
@okie,
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I hope Obama fails


The rallying call of the GOP bots. Can noone think for themselves over there? WHen Rush takes a dump do you all line up to wipe his ass?.
Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:31 am
I just read that China intends to make itself the premier manufacturer of electric autos. It saddens me that we did grasp such a goal years ago. We should be doing that, as well as taking the initiative on solar heating, wind mills, etc.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:33 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

They are the party of "no." They still haven't figured out that they lost the election, and they are now digging their own graves for the future.

Americans now see how childish they are; that they do not want to cooperate to help in the recovery of our economy is the last straw that broke the camel's back. They really don't even have any leaders to speak of except Palin, joe the plumber, Cheney, Rove, Steele and Limbaugh. What a group!

Beats your mob of tax cheats and big spenders, ci.


Actually, it was your side that got beat. Maybe you remember last November, when the Republicans lost seats in the House, the Senate, and the White House all at once? We call that an ass-whupping where I come from.

What does 'negotiated into oblivion' mean?

Cycloptichorn
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 3 Apr, 2009 08:35 am
@farmerman,
Anyone smell the rancid odor of sour grapes? This is all a classic case of that garbage. They even try to make wine out of them -- the Wine Spectator gives it a rating of -10. Drink it and it make one pucker up and spit it all the way to GWB's front door.
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