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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 08:31 am
Read it and weep.

http://www.economyincrisis.org/?content=eicad1&gclid=COL-k-Cp24oCFSJNUAodiVli1A
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 12:40 pm
au, Our economy is in crisis. One of the reasons is that it makes our country harder to compete in the world marketplace when they also have to absorb health insurance costs vs most other developed countries where their health insurance cost is nationalized.

Some people will never understand the macroeconomic effects of privatized health insurance. Just the cost of advertising and profit makes it inefficient.
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 02:23 pm
Quote:
Foreclosures rising among high-risk US mortgages
Loans made to people with weak credit during the housing boom have pushed more than 20 companies into bankruptcy.
By Alexandra Marks and Ron Scherer | Staff writers of The Christian Science Monitor

NEW YORK
One of the great legacies of the housing boom of the past six years is that almost everyone - even people with questionable credit - has access to a mortgage.

But now, some housing advocates contend, all that easy credit is on the verge of creating the worst mortgage crisis since the 1980s. The reason: A rising number of homeowners are shouldering mortgages they can no longer afford. For example:

•In 2004, John Silva refinanced the modest home he and his wife own in Willow Springs, N.C. Today, with their mortgage at almost 10 percent, he worries he's just a "hiccup" away from foreclosure.

•Ten months ago, newly divorced Tammy Myers got a no-down-payment loan to buy a house in Denver. The interest rate is now so high it's difficult to make her monthly payment.

•Susie Smith - a retired social worker who's too embarrassed to use her real name - almost lost the house in St. Paul, Minn., she had lived in for most of her life. That was after she refinanced it and her monthly payments more than doubled from $675 to more than $1,400 a month.

Across the nation, foreclosures and defaults are rising as mortgages that were once affordable are now expensive albatrosses as the introductory "teaser rates" that made the loan possible end and higher interest rates kick in. Some housing specialists worry that the mortgage industry - with more than 20 companies already in bankruptcy - will raise its lending standards so high that would-be homeowners with less-than-perfect credit will be frozen out. There is even some concern that the pullback in lending will extend the slump in the nation's housing market.

"It's the most serious threat to the economy," says Mark Zandi of Moody's Economy.com. "It has the potential to set the housing market back another big notch since there could be a whole class of people who can't get credit."

At issue is a class of mortgages that lenders call "subprime" because they do not qualify for the lowest or prime interest rate. These are designed for high-risk borrowers, those with fixed incomes, or those who have had credit problems in the past. Since 1998, more than 6 million Americans have borrowed in this way, according to the Center for Responsible Lending (CRL). The majority of these loans are adjustable-rate mortgages (ARM) that are tied to changes in interest rates.

One in five loans subprime
That's a dramatic increase in only a decade. In 1995, subprime mortgages represented a niche market: less than 5 percent of mortgages originated. Today, Wall Street analysts estimate they make up from 18 percent to 24 percent.

Advocates contend they've made it possible for millions of Americans who in the past would not be able to qualify for a mortgage to own their home. But critics contend they've also become open to abuse, in part because qualification standards are now so low.

Deregulation has allowed the mortgage industry to create products like the no-down-payment mortgage and the even riskier "no documentation" loan where all borrowers have to do is state their income without providing proof of their ability to repay the loan.

"There was a real rush to make these loans and make as many loans as they could," says Jordan Ash, director of the ACORN Financial Justice Center in Minneapolis, a national low-income housing advocacy organization. "That's because the mortgage companies could sell them off right away" to Wall Street investors.

Investors profited from the high interest rates that consumers were paying.

"Wall Street wanted the mortgage brokers to keep making loans even though they were riskier and riskier," says Ira Rheingold, executive director of the National Association of Consumer Advocates in Washington, D.C. "They didn't care that ... people were getting loans they couldn't afford because there was so much money to be made."

Abuses got so bad that some lenders were making loans to borrowers who ended up defaulting on their very first payment, according to housing experts.

Defaults ignored in soaring market
While the housing market was soaring, lenders shrugged off borrowers' problems because the value of the property was rising. But now that the housing market is in a tailspin in some areas, as many as 2.2 million people could end up losing their homes, worth a total of $164 billion, according to CRL. Another report, by Lehman Brothers, concluded that as many as 30 percent of people who obtained subprime loans in 2006 may end up defaulting on them.

"Many families are going to lose their homes," says Deborah Goldstein, executive vice president of the CRL in Durham, N.C. "There's a need for federal regulators to address the kinds of abusive mortgage practices that we're seeing."

Last fall federal regulators started to step in, requiring lenders to disclose more clearly the benefits and risks of some subprime loans to borrowers. On Tuesday, Freddie Mac, a quasi-public backer of home loans, announced it would cease purchasing the riskiest subprime mortgages. This week, Fannie Mae, another quasi-public housing organization, said it is working on "rescue" products to try to help troubled borrowers.

Housing advocates believe the regulators are reacting too late. "They're good positive steps but it's not close to being enough - the genie's already out of the bottle," says Mr. Rheingold. "What we're seeing now with the incredibly high foreclosure rates ... is a product of the complete deregulation of the mortgage industry over the last 10 to 15 years."

The Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA), which represents the nation's major lenders, points out that deregulation has helped create record homeownership.

And the market is already correcting itself, says Kurt Pfotenhauer, the MBA's senior vice president for government affairs. Investors are now requiring stricter standards and mortgage companies are weeding out overly aggressive brokers.

"Government regulation of this market will result in fewer people having access to credit," he says. "If you care about people having access to credit you shouldn't regulate the market."

Rate hikes could cause more defaults
The catalyst for a lot of defaults will be a change in the interest rates many borrowers pay. This year, holders of some $250 billion in ARMs will see their interest rates rise - perhaps by as much as 1.5 percentage points.

Hugh Moore, an investment manager who runs Guerite Advisors in Greenville, S.C., estimates as many as 1.4 million subprime borrowers will face the prospect of higher interest rates. "I don't know if that constitutes a tidal wave, but you have to believe a number of those people don't have a lot of additional cushion," he says.

Take Mr. Silva's case. In 2004, he was paying 7.6 percent on his $139,000 ARM. Last summer, the two-year teaser interest rate ended and his mortgage jumped 2 percentage points to 9.6 percent. His payments went from $920 to more than $1,200.

The interest on his mortgage, along with his monthly payments, will increase every six months until it reaches a high of 13 percent - if interest rates continue to climb.

"I had wanted a 30-year fixed rate and they told me I'd qualify for one," he says. "Then when I got to the closing they told me I could only qualify for the adjustable rate."

Silva initially walked away. But he had some debts to pay that were due from a stint of unemployment after the dotcom crash in 2000. After two days, he returned and signed the new mortgage.

"I felt like it was a switch and bait," he says.

Ms. Myers is also coping with mortgage sticker shock. As sales director at a Colorado golf course, her commission-driven income depends on weather. When she got her no-down payment loan last spring, costing $2,200 a month, the weather was good and she was bringing home as much as $6,000 a month. When snow came early to Denver, the golf course closed, and her monthly income has plummeted to $2,200 - only enough to cover the mortgage and nothing else. She's maxed out her credit cards and borrowed from family to make payments over the last few months. Her March payment is now due and she only has $1,000 left in the bank.

"They won't take a partial payment, and they say they won't work with me until I've been 60 days late on my mortgage," she says. "I've never been late before, and I don't ever remember being in a financial situation like this before."

Ms. Smith nearly lost her St. Paul house to foreclosure. A retired social worker on a fixed income who is raising a grandson on her own, she had no intention of refinancing her 30-year fixed-rate mortgage. Then her insurance company said her old house needed structural repairs - and it wouldn't issue a policy until the work was done. That's when a mortgage broker came around. He told her he could get her an adjustable-rate mortgage that would allow her to take out equity to pay for the repairs without increasing her monthly payment too much - at least for the first two years. When she asked what would happen after the two-year "teaser rate" was up, the broker told her she could just refinance again.

"And voilà, at the end of the two years, I get this slap in the face - they start raising the interest rates every few months and said, 'No, we're not going to refinance,' " she says. Eventually, her payments doubled to more than $1,400 a month. "I told them I don't make $1,400 a month," she says. "'Tough,' they said, 'It's just too bad.' "

Eventually, the lender started foreclosure proceedings. Smith then contacted ACORN, the national housing organization, which negotiated a new fixed-rate loan for her. But her payments are still more than $1,300 a month and she's now working as many part-time jobs as she can find.

"I hate for anyone to find out that I was this stupid, that I could get caught up in something like this," she says. "The sad thing is that I'm not the only one. There are thousands of people that this is happening to."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0302/p01s02-usec.htm

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 03:04 pm
Good afternoon. A few comments from rjb to cheer you up on a sunny day in Virginia:

1) The quantity and quality of health CARE in the US is in danger of or has already begun to decline. Folks in urban and rural areas have no easy access to a general practioner.
2) I heard a story the other day about the shortage of nursing students. A big problem is a shortage of nursing teachers. They are all retiring.
3) The problem of heath CARE is only going to get worse as us old farts, the baby boomers, retire and get sick and die. Some may blame the cost on illegal immigrants banging out babies or whatever. But it is us.

4) Which brings us to health care COSTS. While many folks have no employer paid health insurance, many companies do offer that benefit. And the cost of that has been rising a lot and will probably continue to rise.
5) Offering something like employer paid health insurance may attract "the best and the brightest," but that may make our goods and services more expensive compared to other countries, And those companies that made tose commitments decades ago are toast.

So where we are now re health Care and health Cost? I am not as confident as some of yall about the solution.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 03:15 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
au, Our economy is in crisis. One of the reasons is that it makes our country harder to compete in the world marketplace when they also have to absorb health insurance costs vs most other developed countries where their health insurance cost is nationalized.

Some people will never understand the macroeconomic effects of privatized health insurance. Just the cost of advertising and profit makes it inefficient.


Are we losing in the competition to relatively developed countries, or more to undeveloped countries with very low livings standards and wages? I think it is the latter, not the former, cicerone. I don't see many labels that say, made in Canada, or made in Great Britain, or made in Sweden.

If cost of advertising and profit is the problem, are you in favor of government monopolies for every industry, cicerone?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 04:39 pm
okie, Study products from foreign countries vs American made. Generalities about "labels" is a no concern issue; nobody looks to see where products are produced; it's by name recognition, quality, and price.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 05:07 pm
c.i. wrote :
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okie, Study products from foreign countries vs American made. Generalities about "labels" is a no concern issue; nobody looks to see where products are produced; it's by name recognition, quality, and price.


i think we discussed that already a while ago .
quite a few grocery items , as an example , may carry the "brand name" of an american or canadian company , but on closer inspection it shows that the product is packaged in a foreign country .
i have noticed that "frozen fish" - sole , haddock etc - is still sold under a canadian brand name . on closer inspection i have a noticed that practically all the frozen fish comes from china - the place of origin can usually be read with a magnifying glass :wink: .

i realize that not all our products can be nor should they be produced in our own countries , but i think it is the balance in trade that is important .
since canada benefits from high oil and gas prices right now , canada's trade balance iss quite favourable - but not that long ago canada was on the watchlist of the international monetary fund - that was when the canadian $ was worth around 60 cents U.S. !
hbg
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 08:11 pm
Canada happens to be blessed with an abundance of tar sands, that are now becoming more economical for producing oil.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 08:23 pm
hbg, Even in the auto and airplane industry, parts and labor are spread out amongst many countries even though the "home" office may be in the originating country. Trying to identify products by country of origin is a waste of time and effort, because in a world economy, they are so intermingled.

There are always exceptions to the general rule such as the auto industry in the US, because their labor unions over the years have granted the workers top pay and benefits. They can no longer compete in the world markets, becaues their generous benefits makes their products less cost effective in the world markets. Their quality have been improving over recent years, but it's too little too late - because they can't compete price-wise.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 08:34 pm
I have never been a believer in unions, particularly now when we compete in a world market. Unions are basically just suicidal institutions whereby they price themselves out of a job. I think in the old days, unions served a purpose to help insure safety standards, but now that we have government doing most of this for us, they have been rendered fairly useless in my opinion.

It becomes a case of killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Look no further than the big 3 carmakers to see that. Those geese aren't dead yet, but they are all feeling pretty ill.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 09:11 pm
okie, You are again showing your ignorance of the effect of unions on non-union pay and benefits.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 09:23 pm
You mean the pay and benefits that are pricing us out of all the jobs now in the world market?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 10:15 pm
okie, Your myopic view of the world only creates confusion for your brain. Get some help.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 4 Mar, 2007 10:48 pm
Vicki Readling, a real estate agent, cannot afford health insurance.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:35 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Your myopic view of the world only creates confusion for your brain. Get some help.


cicerone, bloated wages and benefits as directly influenced by unions do have an effect on our competitive abilities, so who has myopia here?

Also, in regard to the uninusured problem, Bush's proposals would have addressed that problem.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 01:40 am
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Your myopic view of the world only creates confusion for your brain. Get some help.


cicerone, bloated wages and benefits as directly influenced by unions do have an effect on our competitive abilities, so who has myopia here?

Also, in regard to the uninusured problem, Bush's proposals would have addressed that problem.


you know, I really cannot believe how incredibly stupid your posts are and likewise, that you feel no embarressment for posting them.

Have you no pride as a person to submit your opinions in public without basis in reality?

Until you back up your nonsense with peer reviewed studies you are posts are moronic.

So here's the challenge, show how "Bush's proposals would have addressed that problem" of the 47,000,000 uninsured Americans and how "bloated wages and benefits as directly influenced by unions do have an effect on our competitive abilities."..... Or to make it easier on you, tell us how unions caused a half-trillion dollar US trade deficet

Your posts seem to be totally devoid of intelligent thought and you appear to believe without any further coroboration that because one of your heroes on the faux network say it, it is therefore true.

Your posts show no apparent ability to process data and assemble it into a reasonably defensible system of thought, and that is what human adults are supposed to do.

Who taught you as a child how to think? Wolves?

That you continually embarress yourself to intelligent people with your brain fart postings is beyond comprehension. Its like a skunk who doesn't smell itself.

Frankly, as a fellow human being, you should be ashamed of yourself for pissing away God's gift to you, your f*cking brain.

But I made the challenge above and after you pout and point out how I have insulted you, move on and defend your position.....but speak from facts, and not just your $hitty bowels.

It may be true that we live in a democracy where all people are treated as equal, but it is not true that in the marketplace of ideas all ideas or opinions have equal merit, and frankly yours never, ever seem to.

You know, I sure hope to Hell you don't have children, because if you are teaching them to think as you do, that would be considered child abuse to normal people and a degeneration of the human species.

Now, prove what you said is true, or STFU.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 10:11 am
I agree with Kuvasz on a wide variety of issues, but I feel that Okie is a Conservative member of A2K who is in many cases the most accessible and willing to discuss various topics.

Obstinacy is one thing; We're all guilty of it. I feel that this

Quote:

Frankly, as a fellow human being, you should be ashamed of yourself for pissing away God's gift to you, your f*cking brain.


Is excessive and I just want to say that I don't feel that same way.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 11:23 am
Cyclo, You are a gentleman, but you haven't been participating in these threads with okie who seems incapable of humanity or understadning reality of facts, and posts "stupid stuff" like it has merit.

He's a one-track train with no understanding of economics or social morality; only an extreme view of "conservatism."

Rather than placating okie, let's hear something constructive.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 11:30 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
Cyclo, You are a gentleman, but you haven't been participating in these threads with okie who seems incapable of humanity or understadning reality of facts, and posts "stupid stuff" like it has merit.

He's a one-track train with no understanding of economics or social morality; only an extreme view of "conservatism."

Rather than placating okie, let's hear something constructive.


Yeah, I've been conversing with him on this thread; if you read back, there are about ten pages of back-and-forth between us on economics.

I don't disagree with you that he is/can be recalcitrant in his positions, but he's treated me with greater respect - personally and rhetorically - than most others here who disagree with me strongly.

I won't sit here while someone who I respect - Kuvasz - trashes someone else I respect - Okie - without saying something about it. I don't agree with all of Okie's positions but he's not a troll and not a fool, I don't like to hear people refer to him that way.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 11:33 am
Something constructive, though. Well -

It seems to me that unions are subject to the same sort of failings as other organized institutions such as government or leaders of business or corporations; that personal interests and pride can get in the way of what is best for the organization, and that corruption affects them as well.

That being said, unions are an important and necessary balance for the American worker. There is no inherent wrong with a union; it's just a bunch of people who are taking control of a certain situation into their own hands and away from the hands of others.

Cycloptichorn
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