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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 08:29 pm
@realjohnboy,
I found the missing number re Jan fleet sales for GM. It was down 80%, not the 70% I penciled in. That is in line with C.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 11:05 pm
Before citing the following opinion, which is just an opinion, but one that is close to mine, but not exact, I will preface it with this observation: Three of the rating services for cars are Consumer Reports, Edmunds, and J.D. Powers & Associates. Now, just as I have done along with everyone else, I sometimes peruse these opinions and ratings for cars, I have also done the same for computers, printers, cameras, and many other consumer items by looking at the opinions in trade magazines, etc. I have observed that the winners vary from year to year, and often the winners are spread around from company to company, and although I can't prove it, I think these companies know where their revenues come from, it is the very companies they claim to judge, so they mix a little truth in with their practice of "spreading the wealth around." That is, they give favorable ratings to different companies for different models, and after you read them, you come away scratching your head, and particularly if you know something about the products often your opinion differs. So, I take these ratings opinions with a grain of salt, and most of the people I know have expressed the very same sentiment. Often, personal experience and talking to people that you know personally give a better reliability of ratings, if they own the products. Now with that said, here is the following opinion that is close to mine:

http://factoidz.com/why-you-should-consider-an-american-versus-foreign-car/

"Many people in our country are not fans of American made cars. These people are still of the mindset that these cars are inferior to foreign competitors like Honda and Toyota. However, this mindset could not be more false. Yes, it was true back in the 1980’s when foreign competitors really began gaining a stronghold with cars that were of better quality, but this myth has not been true for several years."

....

"Second, foreign car makers are at an extreme advantage when they decide to build new plants in our country. Their new manufacturing plants are mainly located in the southeast part of the country in states like Alabama and Mississippi, and these states are more than willing to give the company huge tax incentives to locate there because the state wants the jobs for its citizens. Foreign companies also like this area because wages are much lower in this part of the country, so they can pay much less for workers and therefore have operating costs greatly reduced."

......

"On a personal note, I have driven Ford cars my entire adult life and I have never had any kind of serious problem with any of my cars. I have driven two of the Ford cars I have owned for over 200,000 miles and one of them for over 400,000 miles with the original engine, so I know that the quality is exceptional. For anyone that is still suspicious of American cars having inferior quality, I encourage you to do some research to learn the facts about this issue. "


To second the opinion in the article, personal experience trumps other opinions as far as I am concerned, and I have never owned what I would consider a total lemon American car, although one may have come close. It was just not very economical, but the car never failed me. In contrast, a daughter had an older Toyota that had an indestructable motor and transmission but the suspension, ball joints, etc. were lousy. It was not a great car in my opinion, maybe for city streets but not for rough roads at all.

In conclusion, after more than 6 decades on this earth, I have concluded from watching other people buy cars, etc., that alot of auto preference is governed by emotion. I have seen a a couple of old relatives loyal to plymouths and dodge, but they were not great cars in my opinion, but they kept buying them time after time. I think this has happened with foreign cars, after the 60's, a generation of people entered their car buying years that were no longer emotionally bound to domestic cars, in fact a growing number are more emotionally attached to European or Japanese cars. Liberals in fact have a European or one world mindset, and this has spilled over into the opinions you see here in regard to cars. How many hippees did you see with old vw bugs, buses, renaults, and all manner of other old worn out cars from Europe or Japan? I once wanted a vw bug, but not after a friend hauled me around alot and I got over it. They may have been reliable in important ways, but they were not great cars in my opinion.

So to Advocate, American cars are not lousy, it is only an opinion of yours, thats it.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 11:27 pm
okie still doesn't understand the reviews by those firms he listed, and still attempts to make us believe that his personal observations are more accurate. There is no hope for people like okie who continues to insist on something that the experts have investigated thoroughly.
okie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 11:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So do you buy a product solely based upon a review in some magazine, whereby the reviewers may be cozy with the manufacturers for all you know, and may also receive advertising dollars? I may use the information, partially, but not to trump everything else. I prefer to talk to people I trust, then drive the cars and make my own decisions. It has worked out very very well, so if it aint broke I am not going to fix it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 11:38 pm
@okie,
Try not having a car at all.

Makes all you guys look like clowns arguing about makes and models and the like. Simplify yer life, get a bike.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2009 11:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
One of the biggest reviews of anything or anybody, the mainstream media picked Obama, was endorsed tremendously, looks like he is going to turn out to be a real lemon, ci. If you need examples of why reviews don't work, you need look no further! Laughing
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 10:39 am
@okie,
okie, You have the bad habit of assuming things nobody knows anything about; especially how Obama will perform as our president. He's been in office for only a few weeks, and you're already lambasting him. Lemon?

Where do people like you come from? You must live on another planet.

In your ignorance about car quality, we can see why your opinions on most things are just so much BS.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 10:52 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You have the bad habit of assuming things nobody knows anything about; especially how Obama will perform as our president. He's been in office for only a few weeks, and you're already lambasting him. Lemon?

Where do people like you come from? You must live on another planet.

In your ignorance about car quality, we can see why your opinions on most things are just so much BS.

Obama himself says he is a screw up, or screwed up on appointments. An observation, he only confessed for self preservation, not because he cares about ethics, because if he did he would have withdrawn them before now. If he knew any of this stuff before nominating, he should not nominate these people, and if he finds out afterward, he should immediately withdraw and be mad at the people, but he doesn't. I think he believes he screwed up because he miscalculated the public outcry, not because the people avoided taxes.
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BigTexN
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 11:01 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Try not having a car at all.

Makes all you guys look like clowns arguing about makes and models and the like. Simplify yer life, get a bike.


Try riding that bike 850 miles across the great state of Texas and see who looks like a clown!

I've ridden my bike in several MS150s but I ain't about to ditch my car...this state's too damned big! ...and H-O-T!!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 11:05 am
@BigTexN,
BigTexN wrote:

Quote:
Try not having a car at all.

Makes all you guys look like clowns arguing about makes and models and the like. Simplify yer life, get a bike.


Try riding that bike 850 miles across the great state of Texas and see who looks like a clown!

I've ridden my bike in several MS150s but I ain't about to ditch my car...this state's too damned big! ...and H-O-T!!


I used to do 50s and 100s when I lived in Austin all the time; and I went from Houston to Austin on the bike once.

But, when I need to go that far, I usually... take a plane.

Cycloptichorn
BigTexN
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 11:10 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I'm impressed Cyclo...

Now, with all of today's technology, how come we can't get a/c for a bike?

Theres your next million dollar idea...
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 11:36 am
@okie,
okie quoted :

Quote:
"Many people in our country are not fans of American made cars. These people are still of the mindset that these cars are inferior to foreign competitors like Honda and Toyota. However, this mindset could not be more false. Yes, it was true back in the 1980’s when foreign competitors really began gaining a stronghold with cars that were of better quality, but this myth has not been true for several years."



hbg posted yesterday :

Quote:
if a company has made an inferior product for some years AND (on top of it) fails to admit the mistakes AND refuses to look after the customers ... they'll have a very difficult time recovering !

i understand that once a company has lost a costumer because of quality problems , it'll take several times the work to gain the customer confidence again .
the far better - and less costly approach - is to give the customer satisfaction up-front and rectify problems that crop up immediately .


the problem the north-american carmakers are facing is an old one - and they surely must have known that :
"satisfied customers not only are likely to come back and buy the product again , they also tell their friends how satisfied they are with their product .
they are in effect providing free advertising for the manufacturer " .

the flipside :
"unhappy customers are most likely not to buy the product again and they'll also tell their friends about the experience " .

it's well known to successful businesses that trying to win back an unsatisfied customer is much more costly than giving satisfaction in the first place .

on top of it : most people buy a car only every 5 to 10 years , so if they've had an unsatisfactory experience in the 90's , that'll still take its toll on the big three today .

i don't want the big three to go under - but they have a lot of work to do get their customers back !
hbg



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 12:15 pm
@hamburger,
I'm happy to see that congress is working towards health insurance for all of our children.

Quote:
House set to pass kids' health insurance bill Wed.
By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer Kevin Freking, Associated Press Writer 1 hr 17 mins ago

WASHINGTON " The House stood ready to approve on Wednesday a bill extending health coverage to 4 million uninsured children, a first step in President Barack Obama's promise of universal health coverage.

"Unemployment keeps rising and people are going from worried to scared," Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., said as the House began debate on the bill. "A such a time it is our most basic economic and moral responsibility to provide health care to the most vulnerable among us."
okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 01:52 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm happy to see that congress is working towards health insurance for all of our children.

Another total boondoggle, another scam, ci. Its incrementalism toward total government healthcare for everybody. From what I've heard, it may provide money to people's children that are well off, to illegals, you name it, it sounds like a dud of a bill, another that will increase spending and deficits to even higher levels.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 02:16 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

I'm happy to see that congress is working towards health insurance for all of our children.

Another total boondoggle, another scam, ci. Its incrementalism toward total government healthcare for everybody. From what I've heard, it may provide money to people's children that are well off, to illegals, you name it, it sounds like a dud of a bill, another that will increase spending and deficits to even higher levels.


Boy, it sure would suck if everyone had healthcare, wouldn't it?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 02:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Just another proof about these "compassionate conservatives."
okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 02:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hey, I guess paying for anyhting is no longer a problem? Why work, why not just pay everybody from cradle to grave, that would be wonderful, 52 weeks off, free health care, free cruises to reduce stress, funeral expenses all paid? Anything less is not compassionate.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 02:51 pm
@okie,
Another stupid remark from the king of stupid.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 05:02 pm
@okie,
I know what you mean. Let's put those kids to work to earn their health care. Also, soc. sec. recipients should have to earn their payments by helping out at the post office, etc.

Funny, it is quite all right with the Republicans that, based on false info, we dumped a trillion into Iraq (not to mention the tens of thousands of casualties). But don't help out those lazy kids.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 07:24 pm
@Advocate,
Yeah, those no-good kids; they should have to work and pay their own way from birth for their health insurance. We'll teach them some responsibility.
 

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