Where is the US economy headed?

@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie wrote:
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The new McCain is the same as the old McCain, only the media reporting of McCain has changed.

Goes to show you are not paying attention to what McCain used to say, and what he now says during his campaign. The only thing same about McCain is his biology, but his mental capacity has changed dramatically. He's old and decrepit, and thinks his status as a POW owes him the presidency. He also approved torture before he was against torture by our country. His "straight talk" has become mostly negatives against Obama rather than talk about what most Americans are interested in; the economy and the war in Iraq. His flip-flops does not provide us with the old McCain's stability on issues. He now even promotes liberal ideas to win votes rather than stick to conservative policies.

Too bad you are blind to all of this old and new McCain.

ci, McCain never was any more straight talk than he is now, it was totally a phrase coined to portray who he thought he was as a politician. McCain has always been all over the map, just like he is now. The reason being McCain looks at every issue without applying foundational principles as a core conservative. He is instead his own man, just John McCain that looks at each issue separately under varying ways of judgement. The only reason the press liked McCain in the old days was because he criticized his own party and because he always has promoted liberal ideas at various times, reach across the aisle, blah blah blah, which is still saying, and after this election is over, the same McCain will still be at it. McCain never was stable on every issue. The reason he is inconsistent is because he does not understand the foundational principle of some issues, such as enemy combatant status and treatment as determined under the law. Another example was campaign finance. Another one now is wall street. He keeps picking on the wrong issues as important, example earmarks, which pales in comparison to Fannie and Freddie corruption, which he should have been talking about.

I think you are simply blind to who McCain is and how he looks at issues and politics. He has always been this way. A leopard does not change his spots overnight. But bottom line, I support McCain because even with all his flaws he is a decent man that loves this country, not an idealogue, a schyster, as I interpret Obama to be.

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@okie,

Another "nice" rationalization on McCain, but no cupie doll for you - again.

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@okie,

McGramm deregulated us into this economic mess. He wont escape the finger.

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@okie,

okie, You wrote:

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I think you are simply blind to who McCain is and how he looks at issues and politics.

Okay, please list for us McCain's position on all the major issues facing our country? Then tell us how he intends to "fix it" with "his" details?

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@cicerone imposter,

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. I believe what they accomplished was a miracle; they were able to make us the superpower both economically and militarily with only five percent of the world population. That's some accomplishment that I believe will never be repeated by mankind.

The very root of our problems. Over-weening, self flattering hubris. The assertion WRIT LARGE.

As if there was something special about this five per cent that found, took over by force and exploited using European technology a vast land containing almost untold and unexploited riches which it only need the rape of Mother Nature to unlock. It will not be repeated because there are no easy pickings like that left on earth.

And that hubris has brought it to the brink of ruin.

Our Newsnight on BBC2 has had a blame programme tonight. Bankers, speculators, regulators and politicians all in the frame being accused and defending themselves.

The speculators said they are necessary for such things as selling production forward and arranging fixed interest loans.

The regulators said that because house prices didn't figure in inflation statistics the central banks ignored them.

Surprise, surprise, no mention of Media and hardly a mention of the borrowers.

For me it was City-slickers running amok and stitching it all up at their glittering parties and general networks, cash bonuses are only part of the story, and getting over confident and gluttonous.

The journalist were pissing in the pot as well and now we see the same ones passing the buck with enthusiasm.

The upswing today is being called the "dead cat bounce" but I think it is due to the City slickers factoring in the future sweat of the workers most of whom, for psychological reasons, are immigrants.

You've sold your grandchildren the biggest sub-prime of all. I have already heard it said that administering the bail-out will cost the $700 billion.

You should read your very own Thorstein Veblen.

You have a nation of millions of economic and scientific geniuses, like ci, and no coolies. That's enough to make a dead cat laugh.

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@cicerone imposter,

poof! And spendi's gone.

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@spendius,

Veblen called consumerism resulting from pecuniary emulation "the night shift".

You might be thought of as consumer coolies I suppose. Tarted up monkeys a Darwinian has to say talking clean.

Anyway- you just got yourselves a Mandarin class. We hope.

You'll believe anything you think it makes you look good mouthing. The need to look good is what Media sold you.

How the **** can 300 million all look good at the same time?

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@cicerone imposter,

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poof! And spendi's gone.

The authentic white flag. I wonder if his knees were knocking.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You wrote:
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I think you are simply blind to who McCain is and how he looks at issues and politics.

Okay, please list for us McCain's position on all the major issues facing our country? Then tell us how he intends to "fix it" with "his" details?

Easier to go to his website, ci:
He lists the major issues as follows, along with his policies and solutions for each:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Undecided/WhyMcCain.htm

On The Issues

• The Economy
• American Energy
• Health Care
• National Security
• Education
• Iraq
• Climate Change
• Veterans
• Immigration
• Human Dignity & Life
• Technology
• Second Amendment
• Judicial Philosophy
• Ethics Reform
• Natural Heritage
• Fighting Crime
• Space Program

To be accurate, I am not supporting McCain only because of his policies. I am supporting McCain primarily because I feel like McCain is a known quantity in terms of the largest issues, that he loves this country, he will not intentionally sell it out, and he has more common sense than Obama. McCain is just McCain with all his flaws, but he is not a schyster, an idealogue, an unknown quantity, that will sell us down the river.

I am astounded at how accurate P.T. Barnum was, there is a sucker born every day, and that is certainly true with the Obama voters.

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@okie,

The quote is "there's a sucker born every minute "

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@okie,

Apparenty, you never read the paper or watched the news in the '80s.
Consider looking up Keating 5 and McCain's involvement. He's known, all right! Known to have exercised poor judgement in bailing out a bank in the late '80s. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

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@Ragman,

Ragman wrote:

Apparenty, you never read the paper or watched the news in the '80s.
Consider looking up Keating 5 and McCain's involvement. He's known, all right! Known to have exercised poor judgement in bailing out a bank in the late '80s. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

He was exonerated after a lengthy investigation and hearings, Ragman. I admit to not being totally familiar with every detail, but beyond the details, I tend to think that experience made McCain more determined than ever to try to be as untainted as possible, which is a very tough task indeed for a national politician. In comparison, nobody yet knows the full extent of the corruption of the Chicago political machine that produced Obama. As we speak, efforts are being made to postpone the spilling of beans by Rezko in regard to the corruption in Illinois and Chicago, very possibly to prevent any damage to Obama before the election. There is little doubt in my mind that Obama is not nearly as clean as he claims to be, and we also know the media is showing little to no curiosity in digging up the details in Chicago. The media is utterly failing to do its job. It is a miserable and complete failure on several fronts.

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@hawkeye10,

hawkeye10 wrote:

The quote is "there's a sucker born every minute "

Sorry, you are right. That multiplies the number to 1,440 suckers born every day! Thats 525,600 every year, so a generation of around 57 years worth of voters ranging from 21 to 78 years of age makes almost 30 million suckers. Curiously, that is approaching the order of magnitude of potential Obama voters!

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@okie,

okie, McCain was charged with "bad judgment." You do know what that means don't you? It tells many of us that McCain's poor judgment is somewhat a permanent character flaw. He doesn't belong in the white house making decisions with those "bad judgments" that characterizes his life.

Just a few days ago, McCain said to a lady: "no, no, no, Obama is a decent family man who I happen to have disagreements with..." Then today on the campaign trail, he's telling people that "Obama runs around with terrorists."

How in the world do you people rationalize all of these inconsistencies? "Obama is a decent man who runs around with terrorists?" You people are beyond rational.

Bad judgment, and inconsistent. He's senile.

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@cicerone imposter,

Even terrorists can be "good family men", ci. Wake up. Some people can lead double lives. Witness the mafia. They treat their kids fine, but their other life is a bit different.

I actually view Obama somewhat that way. I think he is a loving decent husband and father, a refreshing change from the Clintons, at least that is my impression so far. But its his political agenda that is troubling beyond description.

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@okie,

Yes. Many in Iraq see the American occupation as terrorists, and rightly so.

Your inability to see why McCain's association of Obama to terrorists is wrong shows your ignorance.

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@cicerone imposter,

You are off your rocker, ci. Do you agree with every person living somewhere else in the world? Osama Bin Laden has opinions too. Do you agree with his opinions?

Many in Iraq see Americans as valiant friends and liberators, ci. Which do you agree with?

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@okie,

Your ignorance is unlimited. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq "created" more terrorists that has become a world-wide problem.

From the Guardian:

Campaign in Iraq has increased terrorism threat, says American intelligence report
· Views of 16 government agencies pooled
· Study contradicting Bush was not made public

A portrait of Saddam in a Baghdad shop - A top-level US panel has called White House policy in Iraq into question. Photograph: Faleh Kheiber/Reuters
An authoritative US intelligence report pooling the views of 16 government agencies concludes America's campaign in Iraq has increased the threat of terrorism.

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@cicerone imposter,

From MotherJones:

Iraq 101: The Iraq Effect

By Peter Bergen and Paul Cruickshank
Research fellows at the Center on Law and Security at the NYU School of Law. Bergen is also a senior fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington, D.C.

"If we were not fighting and destroying this enemy in Iraq, they would not be idle. They would be plotting and killing Americans across the world and within our own borders. By fighting these terrorists in Iraq, Americans in uniform are defeating a direct threat to the American people."

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@cicerone imposter,

By heck ci. You certainly believe in simplistic explanations.

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