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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:02 pm
hbg, The feds are doing all the wrong things; they're reducing interest rates to bolster consumer spending, and providing cash to banks, but what people need are jobs, not more credit. The goverment needs to start a public works programs that will put people to work to earn income.

Fed takes new steps to ease crisis

By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer
25 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Federal Reserve announced a series of new steps Sunday to help provide relief to a spreading credit crisis that threatens to plunge the economy into recession.


The central bank approved a cut to its lending rate to financial institutions to 3.25 percent from 3.50 percent, effective immediately, and created another lending facility for big investment banks to secure short-term loans.

The steps are "designed to bolster market liquidity and promote orderly market functioning," the Fed said in a statement. "Liquid well-functioning markets are essential for the promotion of economic growth."

The new lending facility will be available to financial institutions on Monday.

It will be in place for at least six months and "may be extended as conditions warrant," the Fed said. The interest rate will be 3.25 percent and a range of collateral will be accepted to back the loans.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:03 pm
this article appeared in the NYT in 2004 .
it's a : YES , BUT ... article , i'd say .
hbg

Quote:
February 9, 2004
Cheapening the Dollar
By EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Treasury Secretary John W. Snow has tacitly but unmistakably abandoned Washington's longstanding support for a strong dollar in favor of a weak dollar that is getting weaker, though he continues to insist there has been no change in policy.

Stripped of the code words and elliptical references to ''excessive volatility'' in exchange rates, the message that Mr. Snow delivered this weekend to finance ministers from Europe and Japan was that the dollar's plunge against the euro is just fine and that the dollar should now decline more rapidly against Asian currencies as well.

In so doing, the Bush administration has made a calculated economic and political choice. By condoning and even encouraging a cheap dollar, the administration is providing a big push to American exporters by making their products less expensive in foreign markets.

That should encourage more hiring and lower unemployment leading up to the election. The only immediate losers are exporters in Europe and Asia who have to choose between cutting prices or losing market share in the United States.

But the long-term risks are substantial. At some point, a weaker dollar will inevitably lead to higher prices for imported goods -- almost all consumer electronics bought by Americans, most of their clothing, many of their cars and much of the oil that provides the fuel to drive them.

A much bigger risk is that a plunging dollar could contribute to a rise in interest rates, as foreign investors demand fatter risk premiums before agreeing to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Treasury securities to finance America's high levels of indebtedness.

The United States needs to attract $1.5 billion a day in net capital inflows from abroad -- $500 billion a year more than it sends out -- which means that the world is being flooded by American I.O.U.'s at levels never seen before. The administration's huge budget deficits could increase that need for foreign capital even more, and higher interest rates would add billions of dollars to those deficits.

Foreign buyers, and Asian central banks in particular, are now the most important buyers of American Treasury bills and bonds. But much of that buying had little to do with the rosy economic outlook for the United States and very much to do with propping up the dollar against the Japanese yen and the Chinese yuan.

The dollar would probably be declining regardless of what Mr. Snow said, because the United States is now so indebted to the rest of the world that the appeal of American securities is considerably less than it was at the height of the boom.

Since its peak in the fall of 2000, the dollar has lost nearly half its value against the euro.

In the joint communiqué they issued after the Group of 7 meeting ended in Boca Raton, Fla., on Saturday, the finance ministers declared that ''excessive volatility'' and ''disorderly'' movements in exchange rates were bad for economic growth.

That was a partial nod to European leaders, who were beginning to panic about the weak dollar and suddenly strong euro. European officials interpreted the communiqué as acknowledging their worries about the euro's recent surge and also giving them a justification for intervening in the markets if the euro shoots up in any way that might be considered ''disorderly'' and ''excessive.''

''The Europeans were huge winners and the Japanese were huge losers,'' said Paul McCulley, fund manager for Pimco advisers, one of the nation's largest bond investment funds.

But the official American view was quite different. The American interpretation was that the Group of 7 had said nothing at all about the dollar's value against the euro and that a further gradual decline in the value of the dollar would be entirely different from a ''disorderly'' decline or ''excessive volatility.''

Put another way, Mr. Snow was not calling for the dollar to climb back in value but for it to sink more rapidly against the Asian currencies. For currency traders and analysts gearing up for the markets to open on Monday, the big question was not whether the dollar would stop declining but whether the Japanese yen would abruptly jump in value.

The problem confronting American and European officials alike is that China, the most explosive player on the Asian scene, is not even a member of the Group of 7. ''China is the 800-pound gorilla and it isn't even part of the negotiations,'' Mr. McCully remarked.

China has kept its currency pegged at a fixed exchange rate to the dollar for the past decade, and it has done so by a combination of restrictions on capital flows and heavy purchases of American securities. But most economists contend that China's currency has become seriously undervalued as its trade surplus with the United States has soared to well over $100 billion and its treasury has accumulated more than $300 billion in foreign reserves.

Japan, by contrast, has allowed its currency to rise in the past month even as it bought $67 billion in American securities to slow that rise.

Japanese officials signaled this weekend that they will continue to intervene to preserve ''stable'' exchange rates, and the American-approved denunciation of ''excessive volatility'' may have given them implicit permission to do so.

But no matter what happens to the yen, many analysts predict the dollar's overall value is still headed down.

''This doesn't do anything to alter the perception that the administration would like the dollar to decline further,'' said Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International. ''I don't think the markets will be very impressed.''



source :
CHEAPENING THE DOLLAR
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 16 Mar, 2008 06:20 pm
Because the Chinese pegged their currency to the US dollar, they've lost more from the devaluation of the dollar - even when the US told them to float their currency in the world marketplace. That was a mistake they made that was obvious from before that article was written.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 03:55 pm
so whats the latest with the economy?

whats gold at?

If exports become cheaper for the globe will it offset the recession?
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 04:11 pm
OGIONIK

In the nineties the slogan was it's the economy stupid. Today it should be it's jobs stupid. The only thing that will help is jobs at a living wage that keeps up with inflation. With Globalization kicking us in the a$$ I see little hope for us to be able to compete with the low wage countries.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 04:13 pm
The economy is in trouble. How bad depends on who you listen to.

If you've been reading this thread, you should know what my options are.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 04:39 pm
au wrote :

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With Globalization kicking us in the a$$ I see little hope for us to be able to compete with the low wage countries.


i doubt that the way out of the current financial turmoil is by trying to compete with low wage countries .
i also doubt that you can win by "cheapening the currency" by just letting the dollar fall . the increased price for oil , gas and other imported raw materials will eat up any possible gains quickly - it will eventually lead other countries to abandon the dollar - you wouldn't want that to happen , would you ?
imo you need a well educated workforce that will be producing high quality goods and services for the worldmarket .
surely , the united states has world-class educational institutions of higher learning that are the envy of the world .
what probably is needed is a major upgrade of the basic public education system - and that will cost money ; but it's not just an expenditure but "investment" imo .
i posted earlier this year an article from "businessweek" - certainly not a left-leaning magazine - that urged increased expenditure for education by the united states - i didn't get much of a response to that entry .

it seems to me that the united states has enough money - but it's a matter of where it is being spent .
hbg
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 04:59 pm
Good evening. The Federal Reserve took some pretty drastic action over the weekend in response to the run on Bear Stearns. It opened its overnight loan window to investment banking and stock market firms. Not just to traditional banks which had been the customer base since it's inception since 1913. That is significant.
In addition, the Fed, as I understand it, has started to make loans to financials for as much as 28 days vs the 1 day loans.
As I understand it, Clinton is, in general, in favor of what the Fed did. Obama is not.
In principle, I reckon I would have allowed Bear Stearns to collapse. They had a reputation for being arrogant and not at all risk averse. They made some stupid investments and don't deserve to be bailed out at taxpayer risk. But the shareholders and employees are taking a severe hit and I can appreciate that there was a fear of a melt down today. Asian markets were down 3-5% and the US markets were down sharply at the opening but, with the exception of the financial sector (Citigroup down another 5%), recovered by day's end.

The Fed also cut the discount rate from 3.50 to 3.25%, just two days ahead of the March meeting on Tuesday. What can we expect tomorrow? I am thinking another .50% but I don't think .75% is out of the question. That would be pretty remarkable. The decision will come at around 2:15 tomorrow ET.

We have talked about how the cuts in the discount rates don't seem to be trickling down to mortgage or credit card rates. The banks don't have any money, so they will probably not lower their rates. And certainly, any rate cuts will cause the dollar to slide more as investors look for higher yields and stronger currencies to invest in.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 05:12 pm
financial analysts are trying to guess where the bottom is , but have just about given up .
the real problem seems to be a loss of confidence .
major projects that had started to assemble financial backers have rather suddenly found out that their lenders are no longer willing to invest - even in solid projects .

just listened to CBC business news . a company that was in the process of bulding a major refinery in newfoundland with bear sterns as the major backer announced that the project has been shelved . they "hope" that within a year or two new backers may be found , but for the time being the project is dead .
hbg

from MSNBC :

Quote:
"Our dollar has been killed," said Brian Wesbury, chief economist at First Trust Advisors. "The price of gold has gone from $700 to $1,000. The price of oil has gone from $70 to $110. This inflationary pressure that the Fed has caused is making mayhem in the financial markets."




source :
WHERE IS THE BOTTOM ?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 05:20 pm
rjb, I agree with you that Bear Sterns should have sunk on their own rickless actions, but I go further than that; the feds should not be bailing out banks. What got us into this mess in the first place is the hand's off policy of our government for sloppy mortgage lending policies that has gone on for too long. Our government never learns the lessos from history; the savings and loan was the prior boondoggle that the feds had to bail out after all the fraud that was perpetrated.

Our government fails to be responsible to the very people they are supposed to represent. All they do is hassle the other party, and produce very little in the way of protecting our economy.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 05:28 pm
(hamburger: I swear I did not crib my last post from the MSNBC report. I don't even have a TV).
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 05:35 pm
rjb :

i plead guilty to watching MSNBC - usually while having second breakfast around 10 a.m. - not that i ever do anything with the info .
we are finished with the "savings/investment" mode and are in the "spending" mode - a lot easier and more enjoyable .
hbg
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 05:51 pm
this is very funny.

when i used to try to be interactive at school, i would always ask where money came from, they laid out elaborate scenarios and yadda yadda.
i always asked "so what is money in the end? we cant just create it out of thin air doesnt it need value? wheres the value from?" they never had an answer

basically, money is a group of people working together under the same ethics and morals under the guidance of a governing body.

money is trust in the gov't

that governing body no longer operates on the same morals and ethics as the rest of the country. to them, money is paper that creates wealth. they print it (fed) and spend it (bush) without regard to the physical consequences on the globe.

Am i right or am i missing something? am i forgetting anything?

i think i called it.

what america needs to do, is worry about AMERICA. yeah africa has aids and starvation, **** em let them fight a revolutionary war and work for their own damn freedom. we did.

We cant just keep giving away our prosperity to other countries.

dont try to build fences.

create jobs.

dont fight wars.

create diplomatic and economic incentives to join together.

dont make a medical system private or universal

OFFER BOTH FFS.

what we all need to do is mind our own business, but we cant hesitate to help people HELP THEMSELVES.

and enough with the insanely gigantically overpaid gov't contracts.

enough with the war, its really destroying america, this country is only as good as its money
the war is killing the dollar. along with all the other bs bubbles and recession , yikes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 06:40 pm
OGIONIK, Pretty well stated IMHO. However, let me point out one issue that needs to be addressed by our country. We need to have some form of universal health care so that our products and services becomes more competitive in the world marketplace. That's one of the reasons that the auto industry can't compete with the "new" boys on the block, or with companies where their health care is not included in the price of their cars.

There are things a developed country should provide its citizens for the benefit of the whole, and that includes education, a safe environment, protection from fire or terrorists, health care, and a viable infrastructure that is maintained.

We do not have to be the policemen of the world; it's not logistically possible for five percent of the world population to fund the necessary military force to help all countries that are having problems. That's a responsibility for the international community.

One thing is for sure: we don't need another Bush who thinks we should bring democracy to the Middle East, or that tax cuts (for the wealthy) creates jobs. When Bush says something, you can trust that the direct opposite will occur.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:25 pm
Deepening slump envelops factory sector
By Glenn Somerville
Mon Mar 17, 5:35 PM ET



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A spreading economic malaise seeped into U.S. factories in February and March as waning demand more than offset the export benefits of a cheaper dollar, a series of reports showed on Monday.


A Federal Reserve report on industrial output showed factories ran at their slowest rate in more than two years during February while a key gauge of factory business in the Northeastern U.S. slumped to a record low in March.

Taken together, the reports reinforced concern that the world's largest economy stalled during the first quarter and was in an actual downturn, though Bush administration officials refuse to concede a recession has started.
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Miller
 
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Reply Mon 17 Mar, 2008 09:35 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
OGIONIK, Pretty well stated IMHO. However, let me point out one issue that needs to be addressed by our country. We need to have some form of universal health care so that our products and services becomes more competitive in the world marketplace. That's one of the reasons that the auto industry can't compete with the "new" boys on the block, or with companies where their health care is not included in the price of their cars.



The auto industry hit the "pits" strickly because of the UNIONS...
Look at how the UNIONS drove the stock yards out of Chicago...
The take a look at the Steel Mills, again more UNION demands and see where it got them...

Ever been to Gary Indiana? Twisted Evil
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 03:43 am
http://i31.tinypic.com/z5x0w.jpg
Albuquerque Journal, 18.03.08, page A5
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 10:31 am
miller wrote :

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The auto industry hit the "pits" strickly because of the UNIONS...


i didn't realize that the union members designed such american beauties as the : edsel , chevy corvair , maverick , amc pacer , the gremlin Shocked Laughing .. ...
i stand corrected .
hbg

ps. ever read phil edmonston's "lemom aid" book ?
i'm sure your local library has the latest copy - good for many laughs or tears Shocked

btw. i drive an eight -year old american built oldsmobile intrigue .
it has performed quite well but gm decided to discontinue it .
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 12:22 pm
The Fed cuts to 2.25% from 3.0%
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Tue 18 Mar, 2008 12:23 pm
Rate cut 3/4 % Bush talking now.The moron said there is a debate going on as to whether trade is good or not. Man, can this guy leave soon enough?
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