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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 05:58 am
The Okie economic "plan." More corporate welfare. Rape the planet. Unreal!
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 08:28 am
When all is said and done the problem with the American economy is the loss of jobs and industry. With that in mind what was and is the impact of globalization upon the present economic situation in the US.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 09:50 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
The Okie economic "plan." More corporate welfare. Rape the planet. Unreal!

Not corporate welfare at all of course. My plan simply lessens the robbery of private enterprise by the government so that private enterprise can compete with businesses offshore.

Not raping the planet. It is a return to sensible regulation, which at least in some cases will help the environment. Example, there are such regulatory restrictions on building newer more efficient plants that businesses end up operating older and less efficient plants that are grandfathered in.

I have shared one example, where they hauled trash and garbage from the Wichita area into Oklahoma for years, several semi truckloads per day, for what reason? The reason is because environmentalists and environmental laws would not allow a new landfill to go into the area around Wichita, which by the way has similar terrain and hydrology as the area where the trash ended up being dumped. Such a policy caused the burning of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of gallons of fuel, wear and tear on the highways, vehicles, etc., and cost the life of at least one driver because the existing highways were not designed for this daily traffic. There are likely countless examples of this environmental insanity. To go back in history a bit, the reason we do not have more greenhouse gas friendly nuclear electric generating plants today is because of treehuggers in the 70s and 80s.

By the way, I don't look for sanity to return to environmental policy, because there are too many idealistic groups around that have tunnel vision, that vision being a religious worship of saving the earth at any cost and any reason, and it is driven by the hatred of private enterprise.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 10:46 am
okie, Your solutions are national in nature; what will you do as a businessman to survive this downturn? Be specific such as "type of retail" or "type of service."

You cannnot control what local and national goverments will do; you must apply your management skills to your persoal business in the legal and business environment system now in place.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 10:48 am
What are the "universal truths" you spoke about that you can apply now to a specific business or nonprofit organization?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 11:06 am
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Not corporate welfare at all of course. My plan simply lessens the robbery of private enterprise by the government so that private enterprise can compete with businesses offshore.


Amazing that you could write such a thing, as regulation is pretty much at it's lowest level in decades.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 01:19 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Your solutions are national in nature; what will you do as a businessman to survive this downturn? Be specific such as "type of retail" or "type of service."

You cannnot control what local and national goverments will do; you must apply your management skills to your persoal business in the legal and business environment system now in place.


Trim fat and waste, economize, but only in areas where it does not directly affect my ability to sell my product or service in terms of quality or service. I might have to delay expenditures on longer term expansion of product line or capital improvements. I may need to delay upgrade of equipment that might be more of an internal luxury than a direct effect upon my immediate bottom line. I might have to lay off employees that are working on longer term or peripheral projects that do not affect my core business. I might have to lay off employees that have been marginal, but I will need to make sure my most valuable employees are taken care of. I might also have to step up service and communication with my core business clients to make sure my core business remains sound. Depending on the size of business, but if there is too much overhead in terms of expensive management, I would need to take a good hard look at that. I would cut down on jetsetting around to useless conferences and seminars that have more playing golf than actually learning anything or accomplishing anything.

Raising prices in a time of downturn in an effort to raise revenues could be the kiss of death for my business. In fact lowering prices might enable me to gain customers and sell more product, so this should be looked at. This decision would have to be made after looking at what the competition was doing.

Some of those things would be a start, ci. Of course, the exact situation would have to be analyzed to come up with specific solutions, but these are good ones to look at in general, whether it is retail, wholesale, manufacturing, or service.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 01:23 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
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Not corporate welfare at all of course. My plan simply lessens the robbery of private enterprise by the government so that private enterprise can compete with businesses offshore.


Amazing that you could write such a thing, as regulation is pretty much at it's lowest level in decades.

Cycloptichorn

Ha ha ha ha ha.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 01:38 pm
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
okie, Your solutions are national in nature; what will you do as a businessman to survive this downturn? Be specific such as "type of retail" or "type of service."

You cannot control what local and national governments will do; you must apply your management skills to your personal business in the legal and business environment system now in place.


Trim fat and waste, economize, but only in areas where it does not directly affect my ability to sell my product or service in terms of quality or service. I might have to delay expenditures on longer term expansion of product line or capital improvements. I may need to delay upgrade of equipment that might be more of an internal luxury than a direct effect upon my immediate bottom line. I might have to lay off employees that are working on longer term or peripheral projects that do not affect my core business. I might have to lay off employees that have been marginal, but I will need to make sure my most valuable employees are taken care of. I might also have to step up service and communication with my core business clients to make sure my core business remains sound. Depending on the size of business, but if there is too much overhead in terms of expensive management, I would need to take a good hard look at that. I would cut down on jetsetting around to useless conferences and seminars that have more playing golf than actually learning anything or accomplishing anything.

Raising prices in a time of downturn in an effort to raise revenues could be the kiss of death for my business. In fact lowering prices might enable me to gain customers and sell more product, so this should be looked at. This decision would have to be made after looking at what the competition was doing.

Some of those things would be a start, ci. Of course, the exact situation would have to be analyzed to come up with specific solutions, but these are good ones to look at in general, whether it is retail, wholesale, manufacturing, or service.


okie, You're finally answering the core question, but have you ever been responsible for a) laying off workers, b) trimming fat, and c) how you apply your "marginal employees" rule for termination?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 10:23 am
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You're finally answering the core question, but have you ever been responsible for a) laying off workers, b) trimming fat, and c) how you apply your "marginal employees" rule for termination?

Yes, but on a very limited basis. I have never managed a large business, but I have small ones, and successfully.

I have not laid off many workers, maybe one when the specific job was done, but I have trimmed fat, more accurately I have prevented fat to begin with, and as far as rule for termination, an employee must be judged on productivity and how their skill or job translates into the quality of product or service offered, and if it is marginal, then perhaps they are the first to go.

It is my belief also that managing a business is not totally unlike managing a household, a government, whatever. In a household, you constantly make decisions to maximize the product that meets your approval. That product is your standard of living or style of living. If you choose to spend your budget on stuff that does not increase the quality of the product, or standard of living that you desire both short term and long term, you are a lousy manager. I think the world is full of lousy managers.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 10:36 am
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You're finally answering the core question, but have you ever been responsible for a) laying off workers, b) trimming fat, and c) how you apply your "marginal employees" rule for termination?

Yes, but on a very limited basis. I have never managed a large business, but I have small ones, and successfully.

It is my belief also that managing a business is not totally unlike managing a household, a government, whatever. In a household, you constantly make decisions to maximize the product that meets your approval. That product is your standard of living or style of living. If you choose to spend your budget on stuff that does not increase the quality of the product, or standard of living that you desire both short term and long term, you are a lousy manager. I think the world is full of lousy managers.


okie, Wrong conclusion. Some times through no fault of their own, a crisis may hit a family such as death of the breadwinner, costly health care, destruction of their home, or other crisis.

The real success of a manager is the ability to understand the micro and macro economics of their community, state, and country, and prepare for that rainy day while providing security to their employees.

Too often in today's world, CEOs and officers who perform badly are still rewarded with obscene pay packages and golden handshakes. Their pay and bonus package are not based on merit.

If you think you are a successful business manager, what have you done or are going to do in this business climate? What have you done to prepare for this downturn in our economy? When did you start planning for this economic downturn? What percentage of the employees in your company will you be firing? How did you rate your employees performance? If you had mediocre employees, why did you not fire them earlier?

What were your short-term and long-term plans for the company?
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 10:48 am
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Wrong conclusion. Some times through no fault of their own, a crisis may hit a family such as death of the breadwinner, costly health care, destruction of their home, or other crisis.
Sometimes no fault of their own, but the majority of the time it is. There is such a thing as insurance and government programs available for most mis-fortunes. But most people that suffer financial problems got there by personal irresponsible spending and living habits.

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The real success of a manager is the ability to understand the micro and macro economics of their community, state, and country, and prepare for that rainy day while providing security to their employees.

Too often in today's world, CEOs and officers who perform badly are still rewarded with obscene pay packages and golden handshakes. Their pay and bonus package are not based on merit.
I agree on the golden handshakes and obcene pay packages, which are a case of irresponsible oversight by boards of directors and managers. But the fact remains that companies that indulge in mismanagement usually go broke eventually, but agreed, we need to look into this area of business as a country. Tax policies could be changed to improve that situation, or possibly other measures.

I believe in conservative management, pay as you go, reasonable expansion, and not over reaching by any business. People and businesses are mostly operating too close to the margins of economic stability, example loan companies and people acquiring loans.

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If you think you are a successful business manager, what have you done or are going to do in this business climate? What have you done to prepare for this downturn in our economy? When did you start planning for this economic downturn? What percentage of the employees in your company will you be firing? How did you rate your employees performance? If you had mediocre employees, why did you not fire them earlier?

What were your short-term and long-term plans for the company?

I am in a small business, I won't tell you what it is, but it is successful, and our business plan is basically do well what we do best, don't get greedy, provide a first class product at a very competitive price, treat your customers first class, and just keep doing it in any economic climate, and it seems to work. Have enough margin of economic stability that a downturn can be weathered, and it works. I don't have enough employees to contemplate firing, they are all productive and valuable, so that is not my first area to consider economizing.
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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 01:27 pm
Good afternoon. Changing topics a bit to breaking news. I reckon yall have noticed that the stock market today is, as of pm ET, up about 3.6%. The dollar is also higher.
This is in response to actions taken by US, Canadian and European central banks totaling some $250 billion to ease the liquidity crisis in the banking industry
According to BBC News, The US Fed Reserve is going to issue some $200 billion in T-bills and then make that available to financial institutions in the form of loans backed by collateral made up of the risky loans the institutions have in their portfolios.
I (me and my co-developers) have a 6-story, 100.000 sq ft project (retail, office and residential) ready to go, with the 4 floors of retail and office pretty much spoken for by buyers. I am told we are therefore okay with re to the $20 million we need to start building. But I am still nervous and this action by the Fed today along with another rate cut later this month could mean some construction jobs being created.

An interesting little story involving bank liquidity, or perhaps just a screw-up on someone's part. One of my employees has a mortgage that seems to get sold periodically. As is typical, insurance and real estate taxes are included in the monthly mortgage payment to the bank. So he gets his annual insurance bill from his insurance company. Then he gets a past due notice from the insurance company. And then a Final Notice bill from the insurance company. He calls them and is told that it had just a day or so ago been paid by the bank. I won't mention the bank's name but many of yall would recognize it as one of the ones that is suffering badly from liquidity problems.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 02:16 pm
okie wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Wrong conclusion. Some times through no fault of their own, a crisis may hit a family such as death of the breadwinner, costly health care, destruction of their home, or other crisis.
Sometimes no fault of their own, but the majority of the time it is. There is such a thing as insurance and government programs available for most mis-fortunes. But most people that suffer financial problems got there by personal irresponsible spending and living habits.

okie, You live in a cloistered environment; many middle-class families did the right thing to advance their jobs and careers. It's not a matter of having "insurance" or relying on "government programs." When their salaries do not keep up with the inflation rate, but the cost of energy, food, and college continues to sky-rocket, you can't keep blaiming the middle-class families for "their" failures.

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The real success of a manager is the ability to understand the micro and macro economics of their community, state, and country, and prepare for that rainy day while providing security to their employees.

Too often in today's world, CEOs and officers who perform badly are still rewarded with obscene pay packages and golden handshakes. Their pay and bonus package are not based on merit.
I agree on the golden handshakes and obcene pay packages, which are a case of irresponsible oversight by boards of directors and managers. But the fact remains that companies that indulge in mismanagement usually go broke eventually, but agreed, we need to look into this area of business as a country. Tax policies could be changed to improve that situation, or possibly other measures.

I believe in conservative management, pay as you go, reasonable expansion, and not over reaching by any business. People and businesses are mostly operating too close to the margins of economic stability, example loan companies and people acquiring loans.

What "we believe" about conservative management has no bearing on the real world. We can only to some limited degree influence what we do at the companies we work for, own, or manage. Some have good management skills and others do not; probably the majority do not. If we are responsible for employees, it behooves us to make the right kind of planning for now and the future, and have enough flexibility to change when the environment changes.

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If you think you are a successful business manager, what have you done or are going to do in this business climate? What have you done to prepare for this downturn in our economy? When did you start planning for this economic downturn? What percentage of the employees in your company will you be firing? How did you rate your employees performance? If you had mediocre employees, why did you not fire them earlier?

What were your short-term and long-term plans for the company?

I am in a small business, I won't tell you what it is, but it is successful, and our business plan is basically do well what we do best, don't get greedy, provide a first class product at a very competitive price, treat your customers first class, and just keep doing it in any economic climate, and it seems to work. Have enough margin of economic stability that a downturn can be weathered, and it works. I don't have enough employees to contemplate firing, they are all productive and valuable, so that is not my first area to consider economizing.


If your small business is successful, you must be doing most things right. However, it would also depend on the industry and environment where your business is located. In the retail business, the four rules for success was "location, location, location, and location." However, we should also know that that rule doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It takes more than just location to succeed.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 02:52 pm
An interesting day for sure;
Oil is up ($108)
the dollar is up
and the DOW is up 416.
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hanno
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 10:43 pm
Yeah, we're holding our **** together.

Before WWI we just wanted to do our own thing, and we weren't doing too bad at it. Then we heard the call to act on principle - what a drag, but we're still doing alright. God forbid we sell out to ourselves and go back to 1890 - who would the rest of the world have to blame and imitate?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2008 11:15 am
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t191/aerojad/usd-dollar-index-03132008.png

Doesn't take a genius to see that the stock market is, in actuality, thousands of points lower then advertised; the currency under-pinning it has dropped precipitously in value!!

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2008 11:56 am
Bush has done a yeoman's job in destroying our economy and our once good reputation around the world.

I wonder which historian will give Bush good marks? After all, Bush reduced taxes for the wealthy while promising the creation of jobs.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Mar, 2008 02:26 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bush has done a yeoman's job in destroying our economy and our once good reputation around the world.

I wonder which historian will give Bush good marks? After all, Bush reduced taxes for the wealthy while promising the creation of jobs.


Yea, if he's not careful, he will replace Carter as having the worst economy in history.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Mar, 2008 09:46 am
Since when did Bush become an expert in economics? This is the man that destroyed our's and the world's in just a few years of neglect and wrong decisions.


Avoid overcorrecting economy, Bush warns
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
1 hour, 1 minute ago



WASHINGTON - President Bush on Saturday said the government must guard against going too far in trying to fix the troubled economy, cautioning that "one of the worst things you can do is overcorrect." Democrats said Bush was relying on inaction to solve the problem.

Bush, in his weekly radio address, said the recently passed program of tax rebates for families and businesses should begin to lift the economy in the second quarter of the year and have an even stronger impact in the third quarter. But he urged caution about doing more, particularly about the crisis in the housing market where prices are tumbling and home foreclosures have soared to an all-time high.
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