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Where is the US economy headed?

 
 
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 04:29 pm
spendius wrote:
c.i. wrote-

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The construction industry lost 22,000 jobs during the month, while factory payrolls plunged by 46,000, despite an improving export picture.


You would expect that with continuously improving efficiency.

If 68,000 jobs were lost in those sectors and only 4,000 lost overall it means there has been a transfer of occupation for 64,000 jobs. Doesn't it. Presumably into "don't get your hands dirty" occupations.



I was curious about Spendius' comment above. How is it that 68,000 jobs were lost in construction/manufacturing but the overall job loss was only 4,000? I did a Google search (U.S.Department of Labor Employment August 2007). The result is a mind-boggling display of numbers.

It appears to me that the 64,000 difference went into the service sector, some of which is decidedly not "don't get your hands dirty." Health-care services for the aging baby-boomers is a growth sector as is general retail; notably, I think I saw, in the food services area. I may be wrong about that.

If you dig deeper into the various tables in the Labor Dept's report, the jobs lost in construction had an hourly wage of $20.84 and manufacturing $17.26 while the jobs created were more in the $13.00 range (I neglected to write that number down).

One month's numbers are not all that telling, but what was a bit of a shock was that many "experts" had expected the number to be +100,000 in August, not -4,000. August also didn't include all of the employees in the mortgage lending business who got pink slips and will show up in September. On the bright side, the dollar slid again so our manufactuing could get a bump. And most assuredly, I think, the Fed will lower interest rates by .25 on 9/18.

P.S. I have no interest in getting into the spitting matches that yall engage in here. But I note that the Flower-Power bus will be collecting Liberals for a trip to OK to watch Okie bale hay. Tie-dyed shirts and sandals will be the uniform, and they will only be able to stay at your house for a couple of days.
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 04:40 pm
Welcome to the "bear market"...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 05:12 pm
Thank you! Oooops. Wink Very Happy Shocked Shocked
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 05:15 pm
c.i. wrote-

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okie, Your ignorance is limitless.


Look c.i.-

Such an arrangement of words is absolutely and utterly meaningless. Why do you continue incessantly to sit at a computer and type into the keyboard absolutely and utterly meaningless electronic hieroglyphics? Do the ends of your fingers need be active or something?
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 05:31 pm
Miller wrote:
Welcome to the "bear market"...


WTF??? We have been in a secular bear market since early 2000.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 05:36 pm
spendius wrote:
c.i. wrote-

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okie, Your ignorance is limitless.


Look c.i.-

Such an arrangement of words is absolutely and utterly meaningless. Why do you continue incessantly to sit at a computer and type into the keyboard absolutely and utterly meaningless electronic hieroglyphics? Do the ends of your fingers need be active or something?



spendi, If you have the time to type up meaningless trype, why don't you explain why my observation is "absolutely and utterly meaningless?"
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:00 pm
Well c.i.-

I don't think okie's ignorance is limitless. I'd bet he knows quite a lot of things you don't know for a start.

Thousands of things maybe. Maybe more than that. A lot of them useful things too. Like avoiding travel agent's temptations for example. Or making a plonker of yourself organising a fiasco meet in SF.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:02 pm
okie probably does know a lot of things I don't know, but he hasn't shown that knowledge on a2k; I just calls 'em the way I sees 'em.

He still has the ability to prove me wrong. You haven't.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:08 pm
That's meaningless as well.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:10 pm
Countrywide plans to slash up to 12,000 jobs

The mortgage lender also says loan originations will be 25% lower in 2008.
September 7 2007: 6:21 PM EDT

This is only the beginning of the mortgage industry layoffs. Since payroll dropped to its lowest in four years, we can anticipate more bad news coming not only from mortgage companies, but all those businesses that have an indirect relationship to housing.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:21 pm
You obviously have a strange idea of "bad news" c.i.

12,000 must mean one in every built up area with a name.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 06:27 pm
No, the real bad news is the subprime loans, increasing numbers of bankruptcies, people losing jobs, and pay not keeping up with inflation.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 08:55 pm
okie wrote:
Spendius, I've invited some of them to come to Oklahoma and throw some hay bales in the barn, but so far no takers. You hit on an important point. Libs don't understand being poor so they all have this guilt complex. I was poor, so I don't need their bleeding heart mindset. I have even been accused of calling the poor "scum," by one poster here, which was of course only a revelation of his own bias.


First of all, no one that really farms throws hay bales these days. Square bales are few and far between. They are a specialty item sold to hobby farmers for their horses.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 09:05 pm
There are lots of round bales and large square bales, true, but still lots of small bales of hay, Parados. True, there are lots of hobby farmers with horses or a few cattle and the small bales are used alot for them.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 09:07 pm
Yeah okie? and how many ton of small bales do you put up?
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 09:21 pm
None anymore. I used to. Only a very small few now and then to help out friends and neighbors.

The point of the point, Parados, how many libs on this forum work physical jobs? That was Spendius point I think.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 09:31 pm
okie wrote:
None anymore. I used to. Only a very small few now and then to help out friends and neighbors.

Then what the hell was your offer about? You have no bales and no barn and seem completely out of touch with reality.

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The point of the point, Parados, how many libs on this forum work physical jobs? That was Spendius point I think.

I guess we could ask the same about RWers.

Many factory jobs are not considered "physical" in this day and age. How can we even discuss manufacturing if people don't know what it involves and are still using 1950's standards?
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 7 Sep, 2007 09:34 pm
The Bush administration proposed that McDonald's workers be classified as "manufacturing".
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2007 12:11 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, the real bad news is the subprime loans, increasing numbers of bankruptcies, people losing jobs, and pay not keeping up with inflation.


Bad news is OJ at $5/gallon.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2007 12:13 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
No, the real bad news is the subprime loans, increasing numbers of bankruptcies, people losing jobs, and pay not keeping up with inflation.


Many folks losing their homes, too.
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