Where is the US economy headed?

And who was supposedly water boarded at Abu Ghraib?

America's conscience.

Are you suggesting that they would lie and say water boarding was ethical and that they wanted more of it?

Imagine that, "Bush saying please don't stop I want more "this is better than sex.

If that's what you wanted them to say.

What part of this aren't you getting?

Who wasn't?

I was not wanting them to say anything other than what the first thing that came to their mind.

Would it have been Oh God please give me more of this type of masturbation or would they have said Oh God please stop this torturing of me?

Actually, no one was alleged to have been water boarded at Abu Ghraib.

There are arguments to be made that he US illegally water boarded prisoners but those arguments should stick to the facts and not wander all over the place since doing so undermines any such argument.

According to Wikipedia they were tortured though.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

Don't worry, izzytp, some of us Americans still remember those atrocities.

The biggest atrocity was GW Bush's starting that war on lies, then killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis. How he was able to 'outlive' those lies and atrocity is the mystery of our times - especially for our country.

War is war. Read Tolstoy. Once an army is set in motion in earnest these things happen. Soldiers are not recruited at universities. And they are all at risk of being killed, maimed or captured themselves at any moment. They are not sat in a rocking chair playing word games.

Congress set the army in motion. By massive majorities. As did the UN.

Are they not as easy a sitting duck as Mr Bush?

You are totally misinformed; the UN did not approve of the aggression against Iraq. They had weapons inspectors in Iraq that GW Bush chased out to start his illegal war.

You lack any facts in your posts, and only makes you look more stupid!

Resolution 1441 I think it was at the UN.

What facts did I lack btw. I'm not literally saying you are sat in a rocking chair playing word games. Somewhere nice and safe and a very long way from the action and playing word games. Cup of tea by your keyboard. Cops keeping order outside.

My post was nothing but facts apart from the jest about the rocking chair, poetic licence, a bit beyond stupid sods like you I know but there are other readers to think of, and the question at the end.

In America: Historical, Statistic, and Descriptive (New York, 1841), vol, II, p.43 there is quoted a James Silk Buckingham saying that "the remote and real cause" of the 1837 crash was --"the habit which all classes seem within the last few years to have contracted, of speculating beyond their means, of living beyond their income, of spending money before it was acquired, and of keeping up the appearance of men who had realized large fortunes while they were only in the act of accumulating them."

Of course they were talking peanuts in those days. The idea that $16 trillion in $20 bills, hot off the press, and laid out horizontally, would go twice round the globe would never have entered their heads.

We have purified it for mainlining. We're in rehab. It's not so bad really.

spendi, This one's for you.

People were prosecuted for Abu Ghraib which puts the lie to any argument that Obama was protecting those who committed such acts at Abu Ghraib from being prosecuted.

You switched the conversation to Abu Ghraib after I posted that image, parados.

Let's discuss the salt pit in Afghanistan, and illegal "procurement" operations in Macedonia, shall we? This is just the tip of the iceberg, mind you.

Death in custody

The recently assigned CIA case officer in charge of this prison directed the Afghan guards to strip Gul Rahman naked from the waist down, and chain him to the floor of his unheated cell, and leave him overnight, according to The Associated Press. Rahman was captured in Islamabad on Oct. 29.[1][2][3][4][5][6] In the morning the suspect was dead. A post-mortem examination determined that he froze to death. The Washington Post described the CIA camp commandant as "newly minted", on their first assignment. ABC News called the CIA camp commandant "a young, untrained junior officer". The Washington Post's sources noted that the CIA camp commandant had subsequently been promoted. Rahman was buried in an unmarked grave and his friends and family were never told of what happened to him but later learned of his fate in 2010 after an AP story revealed Rahman had died at Salt Pit.[1][3]
Khalid El-Masri

Khalid El-Masri, a German citizen, was kidnapped from the Republic of Macedonia and rendered to Afghanistan.[7] El-Masri shared the same name as a suspect on the US's terrorist watchlist, and this triggered the suspicion of Macedonian authorities that he might be traveling on a forged passport. (We have a talented NRL player named El-Masri in Australia)

A team of American security officials were dispatched to the Republic of Macedonia, where they kidnapped El-Masri without regard to his legal rights under Macedonian law.[8] It took over two months for the CIA official who ordered his arrest to take the step of verifying whether El-Masri's passport was legitimate.[9] El-Masri described being beaten and injected with drugs as part of his interrogation.

On Thursday, May 18, 2006 U.S. Federal District Judge T.S. Ellis, III in Washington dismissed a lawsuit El-Masri filed against the CIA and three private companies allegedly involved with his transport, explaining that a public trial would "present a grave risk of injury to national security." [9]

On Tuesday, October 9, 2007 the U.S Supreme court threw out El-Masri's appeal against the earlier judgment, without comment.[10]

You switched it when you presented it as evidence of something. Since it was of Abu Ghraib, surely you must have meant it to mean something in support of your argument. Or were you just attempting to evoke an emotional appeal by introducing a non related item?

Not really, it shows some of the people were prosected, not necessarily all of those responsible.

Obfuscation, paradox. It's all you've got, isn't it?

Now since you want to talk about the salt pit, let's examine your evidence.


While negligent on the part of captors, I don't think it rises to the level of torture.

Since the judge threw it out in 2007, how is that evidence that Obama is protecting CIA officers from being prosecuted for torture?


While there may be evidence that Obama is protecting CIA officers from being prosecuted for torture, you are doing a good job of not presenting any actual evidence. Instead you go off on red herrings and want to pretend that it somehow is evidence of your original claim when it isn't. You need to focus your argument to support your claim.