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Shep Smith: Journalists are not the enemy of the people

 
 
OldGrumpy
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:13 pm
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One night, probably in 1880, John Swinton, then the preeminent New York journalist, was the guest of honour at a banquet given him by the leaders of his craft. Someone who knew neither the press nor Swinton offered a toast to the independent press. Swinton outraged his colleagues by replying: There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

http://www.alamoministries.com/content/english/newsreleases/prostitutes.html
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OldGrumpy
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:15 pm
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OldGrumpy
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:16 pm
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OldGrumpy
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:17 pm
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:22 pm
@vikorr,
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As I said to you 20 or 30 posts back, that I won't debate with you anymore. Little point doing so with a person who engages in irrationality so much. Apparently it's taking a very long time for you to comprehend this.


"20 or 30 posts" - such liberties you always take with the truth, vikorr. This is the only reason you fled, because you didn't like it pointed out to you how carelessly you deal with science and the truth.

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I won't debate with you anymore.


You never once did, vikorr.

Irrationality is you, refusing to acknowledge myriad impossibilities, you refusing to acknowledge science and running off on silly, inane diversions.

Just like you are doing here.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:27 pm
@camlok,
https://able2know.org/topic/475392-1
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camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:35 pm
@coldjoint,
Out of sight, out of mind.

US governments haven't even had to do this because the vast majority of its citizens are brain dead zombies, which includes much of the US media, hence the US propaganda mill only has to turn at slow speed.

Brainwashing has worked its magic on the sheeple.

Think about it, cj, not ONE piece of evidence has ever been produced to support the US government story but y'all still pretend to believe.

Even when you are told - the Gulf of Tonkin was a big lie - y'all still go on thinking the US illegal invasion of Vietnam, the slaughter of millions was justified.

How evil is that?
OldGrumpy
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 01:45 pm
@camlok,
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Brainwashing has worked its magic on the sheeple.


so true:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/58t8Nq4jAR4/hqdefault.jpg

so very true

https://i1.wp.com/emilysquotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/EmilysQuotes.Com-Intelligence-teacher-Mark-Twain.jpg?w=300


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mysteryman841
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 02:22 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I'm only asking you to present some examples of the media purposely misleading people



Lets start here...
http://articles.latimes.com/1993-02-10/news/mn-1335_1_gm-pickup

http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/02/tailwind.johnson/

Then of course there is this
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6055248/ns/politics/t/cbs-news-admits-bush-documents-cant-be-verified/#.W47pEPZFzIU

Those are just 3 examples where the press has purposely "misled" people, but I can find more if you want.
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 04:25 pm
@mysteryman841,
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Those are just 3 examples where the press has purposely "misled" people, but I can find more if you want.


Let me help you, mm. All the following illustrate clearly how journalists are the enemy of the people.

Jessica Lynch lie, a combined US military/US media production, which I believe has never been retracted.

Pat Tillman lie, a combined US military/US media production, which I believe has never been retracted.

US media never reporting that NIST, in its "studies" on the twin towers and its "studies" on WTC7, lied about many things, straight out lies, not just errors.

US media lied about OBL, complete with US military/CIA supplied fake videos.

US media failed/still fails to report, which are lies by omission, all the total impossibilities of the US government 9/11 story:

Molten steel, US government only nanothermite in WTC dust, the by products of US government only nanothermite explosions in WTC dust, the impossible to the US story free fall of WTC7, the iron microspheres found in WTC dust, some 6% of the total volume, which illustrates a lot of nanothermite explosions on 9/11, ... .

Here is an excellent video about how the US media "told the truth" on 9/11/2001 and started lying on 9/12/2001.

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9/11 - THE FOOTAGE THEY DIDN'T LET YOU SEE TWICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djKIlXz8WJs&t=291s



coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 04:35 pm
@camlok,
https://able2know.org/topic/475392-1
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 04:39 pm
@coldjoint,
This is about US media lying to the sheeple, like you, cj. Let's discuss all the examples I provided. I'm sure mm will be right here discussing and debating, 'cause you know, he is such a firm believer, like you, in freedom of speech.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 04:45 pm
@camlok,
https://able2know.org/topic/475392-1
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livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 05:17 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

This is about US media lying to the sheeple, like you, cj. Let's discuss all the examples I provided. I'm sure mm will be right here discussing and debating, 'cause you know, he is such a firm believer, like you, in freedom of speech.

When you say, "US media," are you aware of all the global influences and interests that are in play in the 'US' media?
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 05:22 pm
@livinglava,
That matter little when we are discussing the lies. Lies, after all, are lies. And I have illustrated major lies, major lies of omission, all lies.

Providing cover for all the "global influences and interests that are in play" only compounds the lies.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 07:27 pm
@livinglava,
Don't waste time with camlok. When I asked for an example of lies, he provided a link to something that's 25 years old. If one looks back far enough, almost anything can be proven.
camlok
 
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Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2018 07:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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When I asked for an example of lies, he provided a link to something that's 25 years old.


Much of science is way more than 25 years old, ci, Newton's Laws of Motion, Archimedes's principle, Avogadro's Law, ... .

Why would you even think of advancing that ridiculously silly argument above?

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If one looks back far enough, almost anything can be proven.


Another dandy example of idiocy. What's up with you?

If you want examples of lies, see Post: # 6,706,994, on this page, a reply to mm.

I gave you many examples of lies and true to the usual chickenshit form, you failed to reply.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2018 11:49 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

That matter little when we are discussing the lies. Lies, after all, are lies. And I have illustrated major lies, major lies of omission, all lies.

Providing cover for all the "global influences and interests that are in play" only compounds the lies.

Lies are not lies, period. Some lies are unintentional and/or byproducts of miscommunication or passing on bad information without knowing it is wrong. Other lies are intentional and serve certain interests.

It's also important to realize when the revealing of a lie sheds false doubt on an overall claim. For example, if you said that someone is an alcoholic and they drink beer with 9% alcohol, but then it turned out that the beer only had 8.5% alcohol, that would be a misnomer but not a significant one in terms of the claim about the person being an alcoholic.

In short, you have to look at the overall claim and consider the context and different interests in play to really see what the lying is all about. I realized, quite to my anger actually, during the whole smear campaign regarding border control and family separations, which I ultimately realized were just being highlighted in the media as retaliation for the emerging trade war tariffs.

It may sound strange, but it is also possible to lie by asserting certain facts for the sake of political reason that aren't related to those facts. It's like when the police pull you over for a broken tail-light because they want to search you vehicle. Your tail-light may really have been broken, but that wasn't the true reason they wanted to pull you over.
camlok
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2018 11:56 am
@livinglava,
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Some lies are unintentional and/or byproducts of miscommunication or passing on bad information without knowing it is wrong.


You know I am not talking about those kinds of lies.

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Other lies are intentional and serve certain interests.


Precisely! The outright lies that I describe in Post: # 6,706,994, on this same page.
livinglava
 
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Reply Wed 5 Sep, 2018 12:00 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

You know I am not talking about those kinds of lies.

I don't know you well enough to know what you are and aren't talking about.

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Precisely! The outright lies that I describe in Post: # 6,706,994, on this same page.

How can you presume to know who is right and who is wrong about such contested issues? Unless the liar admits it, they can go on lying indefinitely and not get caught, as long as they stick to their story.
 

 
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