Shep Smith: Journalists are not the enemy of the people

@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

vikorr wrote:
Hardly the definition of a trespasser.

layman wrote:
Who the hell said it was?
You did when you used it to justify your assertion that she was a trespasser. It's hard to converse with someone who can't even follow his own train of thought.

No, that's not what I said at all. I clearly said what the trespass was, and that wasn't it. It's hard to converse with someone who can't read, or can't understand what they read, eh?

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@cicerone imposter,

Thanks, though Layman's thought processes aren't anywhere near as bad as some other posters on this forum.

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@layman,

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No, that's not what I said at all. I clearly said what the trespass was, and that wasn't it. It's hard to converse with someone who can't read, or can't understand what they read, eh?

If you say so, but your quotes are laid out in black & white, so to speak, for anyone to see.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

If it has to be earned, then strangers don't have to be respectful towards you, because you haven't earned it from them yet.

Exactly. Nobody owes me respect.

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Ie. every stranger disrespecting you, is okay, because you haven't yet earned their respect.

Like I done said, learn some logic. Ever hear of the "all or nothing" logical fallacy? A lack of respect is NOT "disrespect." Someone who is not "brave" is not necessarily a coward.

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Politeness by the way, involves a modicum of respect. Some narcissists and sociopaths may do it only because it gets them what they want, but for most people, it involves acknowledging that strangers deserve a certain level of respect...and from there, they can either increase, or decrease your respect for them through their thoughts and actions.

Whatever. You can have money, you can owe money, or you can simply be broke and be in neither category. Respectability, is a positive thing, not something inherent, in my book. But define it however you want, that's your business. No need for you to try to make it my business, however.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

If you say so, but your quotes are laid out in black & white, so to speak, for anyone to see.

Exactly. So try reading them, eh? Try relying on what I say, not what you subjectively conjure up, ex nihilo.

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@layman,

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Like I done said, learn some logic. Ever hear of the "all or nothing" logical fallacy? A lack of respect is NOT "disrespect." Someone who is not "brave" is not necessarily a coward.

Ever heard of avoiding a thought at all costs? Even if we don't make it an all or nothing (and there is no true reason to make it so)...according to your own views...you have no problem at all with some strangers disrespecting you...because you haven't earned their respect yet. So whether is 10% of strangers, 50% of strangers, or 100% of strangers disrespecting you...you shouldn't have an issue with such, because you haven't earned their respect yet.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

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Like I done said, learn some logic. Ever hear of the "all or nothing" logical fallacy? A lack of respect is NOT "disrespect." Someone who is not "brave" is not necessarily a coward.
Ever heard of avoiding a thought at all costs? Even if we don't make it an all or nothing (and there is no true reason to make it so)...according to your own views...you have no problem at all with some strangers disrespecting you...because you haven't earned their respect yet.

For the last time. "Not respecting" is NOT "disrespecting." Get it straight, willya? You just keep going with the same fallacy, even when your error is pointed out to you. There's such a thing as being neutral.

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@layman,

I never said it was. The problem is, you are only looking at one side of the same coin.

You can disrespect a person in thought, but not in action.

You can disrespect a person in thought, and in action.

Both are disrespect, so one any one person says, in blanket format 'respect must be earned' - then both are acceptable outcomes for the treatment of strangers.

You can always retract or modify your stated beliefs to 'strangers must be treated politely, until they show otherwise'

Or you can argue where does respect end and disrespect start, which may be like arguing where does heat end and cold begin (from the perspective of a human, rather than scientific point of view)

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

I never said it was.

Yes, you did say it was. Several times. You immediately equated a lack of positive respect with "disrespect."

Nobody owes me respect. Likewise, nobody has any right to disrespect me without cause. Like respect, disrespect must be earned. Has nothing to do with courtesy, per se.

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Who said journalists are the enemy of the people? Certainly not President Trump.

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@Brandon9000,

Trump calls the news media "the enemy of the people."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/trump-calls-the-news-media-the-enemy-of-the-people.html

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@layman,

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Yes, you did say it was. Several times. You immediately equated a lack of positive respect with "disrespect."

The opposite of respect is disrespect. A lack of respect is almost always equated with disrespect. The direct implication of not having to respect someone is disrespect. This is hard to argue...and yet you still missed the point of 'I never said so' - which should be obvious when I said you can disrespect a person in thought but not in action'

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Nobody owes me respect. Likewise, nobody has any right to disrespect me without cause.

Great, we are closer to agreement.

The line 'people must earn respect' I have only ever heard said by people as excuse for their own poor behaviour. Every person I have heard use it, has used it to justify unnecessary disrespect, and every person I have heard use it, has been hypocritical.

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@vikorr,

I think being courteous speaks more about the individual being courteous than it says about the recipient. Some people see courtesy or good manners as a weakness. That’s a sure sign of a person’s inadequacy. Being respectful does not mean you are less than the other...it just means the situation hasn’t yet clarified. If you treat a person with respect and it’s not reciprocated, you can still maintain a dignity that the other person cannot fathom. There is no need to disgrace yourself in order to handle a crude person.

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@glitterbag,

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I think being courteous speaks more about the individual being courteous than it says about the recipient

I rather agree. I personally view manners and courtesy as respect for others. I'm not sure how people could see it any other way, but for people like Layman, each to their own. I guess it's necessary to see no respect in politeness to justify 'you have to earn respect'. Such certainly makes it easier to call a person you barely know a 'bitch'.

For the rest of your post, I couldn't agree more.

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Trump Admin Launches Major Attack on Freedom of the Press.

The Trump administration launches a concerted large scale attack on the media
with the goal of labeling it the enemy of the American people.

David Pakman Show
Published on Jul 23, 2018

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

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Yes, you did say it was. Several times. You immediately equated a lack of positive respect with "disrespect."
The opposite of respect is disrespect. A lack of respect is almost always equated with disrespect. The direct implication of not having to respect someone is disrespect. This is hard to argue....

It's a false dichotomy. Like saying if you're not for me, then you're against me. Maybe you're neither.

And "courtesy" is not a matter of only saying what another wants to hear. To the extent that courtesy means "considerate," sometimes the most concerned, considerate thing you can do is tell them something that is "unflattering." I consider honesty and sincerity to be extremely courteous. It is disrespectful to try to bullshit somebody.

A girl that I really didn't know that well was always asking me "does this dress make me look fat?" She obviously wasn't looking for an honest answer, just reassurance. So I would just say no. But after a few times, I explained.

No the dress doesn't make you "look" fat. You are fat, that's all. She then became determined to lose weight and lost about 15 pounds. Then she didn't look fat, dress or no dress, because she wasn't fat. She later thanked me, but she was kinda hurt at the time.

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@vikorr,

I’m sorry vikorr, it looks like somebody voted you down........I’m guessing someone who doesn’t respect themself.

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@Real Music,

I worry that someone is going to be hurt or killed. What we are seeing is incitement of a violent mob. Sarah Huckabee claims she’s the first press secretary given secret service protection. She must have forgotten about all the journalists who have to be escorted in and out of the Bund Rally’s, protected by either the Secret Service or Body Giards hired by the networks. This is a sad state of affairs.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Trump calls the news media "the enemy of the people."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/business/trump-calls-the-news-media-the-enemy-of-the-people.html

This is so tiresome. Try looking at your own reference. Here is the quotation:

The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @NBCNews, @ABC, @CBS, @CNN) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!

He says the FAKE NEWS media is the enemy of the people, not the media in general.

Next.

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@Brandon9000,

Isn't he branding any anti-trump news as fake news?

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