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Shep Smith: Journalists are not the enemy of the people

 
 
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 07:36 pm
@layman,
Are you asking for fairness ...when you extend very little fairness in your use of comparison?

I personally didn't think much of the journalists conduct, even if she did apparently represent every TV station on that day.

That said, there is at the same time, also a much bigger picture of ongoing unbecoming conduct (in relation to law enforcement and treatment of journalism) here by Trump.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 07:43 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Are you asking for fairness ...when you extend very little fairness in your use of comparison?

I personally didn't think much of the journalists conduct, even if she did apparently represent every TV station on that day.


Well, good. At least you're showing some sense. Trespass is trespass. The principle is always the same, even if the particular circumstances are not. Resisting arrest is the same crime, whether you're being arrested for murder or petty theft. The nature of the crime you're being arrested for is totally irrelevant to the principle. If you can't understand the principle, then you'll never understand anything.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 07:44 pm
@izzythepush,
There's good reason why Trump has respect for Un and Putin, and why Trump calls the media "fake news." I believe he's losing that battle.
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/30/donald-trump-may-be-the-worst-liar-in-political-history-and-its-getting-worse/
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 07:54 pm
@layman,
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Well, good. At least you're showing some sense. Trespass is trespass. The principle is always the same, even if the particular circumstances are not.
Hardly why I didn't think much of her conduct.

The trespass angle is only a very minor angle. She was invited to a governmental event, she had a legitimate reason to be there, and there were still a lot of people there. Being asked to leave early and not doing so is rude, but not criminal in the circumstances (You do not ever find someone charged in such circumstances).

No, my issue with her conduct was the repeated shouting of a question when no answer was forthcoming, and doing so into a mass of noise. It's undignified for her, uncomfortable for the other people present...and quite frankly the question was not particularly important "do you feel ### betrayed you?"...really?

But as I said earlier, there is also a much bigger, ongoing issue of Trumps vilification of the media. It's bad for democracy.
Rummy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:00 pm
@vikorr,
You are correct vikorr! It is bad for Democracy. It seems that NO ONE in this Administration is ever on the same page as this so called President, that Democracy is in serious jeopardy!
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:03 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Being asked to leave early and not doing so is rude, but not criminal in the circumstances (You do not ever find someone charged in such circumstances).

No, my issue with her conduct was the repeated shouting of a question when no answer was forthcoming, and doing so into a mass of noise. It's undignified for her, uncomfortable for the other people present...and quite frankly the question was not particularly important "do you feel ### betrayed you?"...really?

But as I said earlier, there is also a much bigger, ongoing issue of Trumps vilification of the media. It's bad for democracy.


She was NOT asked to "leave early." Where in the hell would you even get such an idea? Just kinda sounded good, that it?

You can bitch all you want about how much you hate Trump, but that is totally irrelevant to the bombastic self-promotion and self-glorification that Sheppard Smith spewed in the video clip which is the topic of this thread. What a whiny-ass punk.

And you think Trump is an egomaniac!? He is, but not compared to Smith and his ilk.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:17 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
. Being asked to leave early and not doing so is rude, but not criminal in the circumstances (You do not ever find someone charged in such circumstances).


I'm not saying she should have been arrested, but she was disobeying a lawful order. More than once I have seen cops shoot someone and kill them merely because they did not instantly obey some cop's command. Not saying that's right, either, but an arrest would have been warranted if that's what the secret service agent wanted to do.

If I was him, I probably would have shoved her ass out the door after she ignored my polite orders for the third or fourth time.

Hating Trump doesn't make her right and him (the white house staff) wrong, sorry.
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:21 pm
@layman,
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She was NOT asked to "leave early." Where in the hell would you even get such an idea? Just kinda sounded good, that it?
Your own words on 'trespass' vs the actual video, showing a very large number of journo's still present. I presume that you weren't calling all the press there trespassers....so then, it appears the only rational perspective was that she was asked to leave early...or else there are double standards going on.

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You can bitch all you want about how much you hate Trump, but that is totally irrelevant to the bombastic self-promotion and self-glorification that Sheppard Smith spewed in the video clip which is the topic of this thread. What a whiny-ass punk.
You complained earlier about the lack of respect people show. You also earlier called the journo a bitch. You ask for fairness perspective while removing fairness from the comparisons you make....your behaviour is very hypocritical.

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And you think Trump is an egomaniac!? He is, but not compared to Smith and his ilk.
I've no real idea who Smith and his ilk are...but I've found that one egomaniac does not excuse the behaviour of another egomaniac.
Rummy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:24 pm
@layman,
C'mon man! Have you EVER seen a single Press Conference or Briefing where reporters are not shouting out to try and get that last question in? Nope, me neither. Get over yourself. The press is there to do a job.
Im quite certain if the reporters were chasing Trumpy out the door offering up praise and bowing at his feet, he would have been MORE than happy to answer.
That fool just cant handle being called on the carpet for the unqualified poser that he is.
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:26 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I've found that one egomaniac does not excuse the behaviour of another egomaniac.

My point, exactly. Thanks for finally acknowledging it. The issue under discussion was this reporter's behavior, not what a horrible, despicable sub-human Trump is. That's an entirely different issue.
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:41 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

I presume that you weren't calling all the press there trespassers....so then, it appears the only rational perspective was that she was asked to leave early...or else there are double standards going on.


No, I certainly wasn't calling everyone there a trespasser. But no, that's not even close to being a rational perspective, let alone the ONLY rational perspective.

She was the only one trying to interrupt the President and trying to forcibly cancel his announcement that the conference was over. She was the only one being directly told by a secret service agent that he had to leave and ignoring him. She wasn't "just the same" as all the rest. She wasn disobeying direct orders, given for specific reasons (to stop her from continuing to be disruptive) to her and her alone.

She was trying to embarrass Trump, but I'm sure she wasn't. She was probably embarrassing the foreign white house guest (and other guests), though. But most of all, she was just embarrassing her own sorry self. Like I said, no self-respect

And she is a bitch. Respect has to be earned, not given to the undeserving.
Rummy
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:47 pm
@layman,
So, in your feeble mind, she is a Bitch for trying to do her job?
The real problem is, Trump cant answer the tough questions. For lack of a better answer, "he has nothing".
Trump brings nothing intelligent to the table. He relies solely on inciting chaos within his shrinking base, and THAT is all he has going for him.
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Real Music
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:54 pm
GOP Senator Jeff Flake Blasts Trump's War On Press.

Senator Jeff Flake (R-AZ) addresses President Donald Trump’s “fake news” rhetoric as reminiscent to Stalin's in this a passionate defense of media and free press.

Published on Jan 17, 2018
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vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 08:54 pm
@layman,
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She was the only one trying to interrupt the President
Hardly the definition of a trespasser.

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She was the only one being directly told by a secret service agent that he had to leave
And yet you're saying she's not being told to leave early. Make up your mind. Either everyone was being told to leave, or she was being told to leave early.

So far your trespass assertion is standing on shaky ground. As I said, it's a minor issue. It appears you only seek to make it 'big' because of your emotional attachment to...well, whatever it is. It's certainly not a rational basis for 'evil bitch' or whatever it is you are trying to paint the reporter.

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And she is a bitch. Respect has to be earned, not given to the undeserving.
So every stranger is allowed to disrespect you? Because that is the literal consequence of 'respect must be earned'. I'm sure you wouldn't like being disrespected by every stranger you meet, so once again, your stance is hypocritical.

Your stance is all over the shop.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:15 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Hardly the definition of a trespasser.


Who the hell said it was? That's the definition of disorderly conduct, a separate offense. Refusing to leave when told to do so is trespassing. It is also resisting arrest, when the order is given by a duly appointed law enforcement agent.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:19 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Either everyone was being told to leave, or she was being told to leave early.


Yeah, right. If some guy is causing a disturbance in a grocery store and his ordered to leave, I guess you could call that being asked to leave early. But what it really is is an order to leave now. However, that order would never be given to everyone in the grocery store. Have you ever had a class in logic?
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layman
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:27 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:
Quote:
And she is a bitch. Respect has to be earned, not given to the undeserving.
So every stranger is allowed to disrespect you? Because that is the literal consequence of 'respect must be earned'. I'm sure you wouldn't like being disrespected by every stranger you meet, so once again, your stance is hypocritical.

Your stance is all over the shop.


Learn some logic, eh? I can be polite to someone without ever respecting them. A lack of respect is not disrespect. I don't have to respect anyone just because they are alive and breathing. I am, however, justified in withholding respect when a person has proven themselves unworthy of it.

All that aside, a bitch is a bitch and a spade is a spade. Has nothing to do with respect. I can respect a person who is a bitch. Or I can not respect them.

I do not, as a general rule, have respect from showboating prima donna drama queens, if that's what you're wondering.
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:28 pm
@layman,
vikorr wrote:
I presume that you weren't calling all the press there trespassers....so then, it appears the only rational perspective was that she was asked to leave early...or else there are double standards going on.

layman wrote:
No, I certainly wasn't calling everyone there a trespasser. But no, that's not even close to being a rational perspective, let alone the ONLY rational perspective.

She was the only one trying to interrupt the President and trying to forcibly cancel his announcement that the conference was over. She was the only one being directly told by a secret service agent that he had to leave and ignoring him.


layman wrote:
She was the only one trying to interrupt the President

vikorr wrote:
Hardly the definition of a trespasser.

layman wrote:
Who the hell said it was?
You did when you used it to justify your assertion that she was a trespasser. It's hard to converse with someone who can't even follow his own train of thought.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:31 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr, Try banging your head against the wall. It may begin to make some sense from layman's posts. LOL Good luck.
vikorr
 
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Reply Fri 3 Aug, 2018 09:35 pm
@layman,
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Learn some logic, eh? I can be polite to someone without ever respecting them. A lack of respect is not disrespect. I don't have to respect anyone just because they are alive and breathing. I am, however quite entitled to withhold respect when a person has proven themselves unworthy of it.
It's great that you want to be polite to strangers...but it's irrelevant to your stance that 'respect has to be earned. If it has to be earned, then strangers don't have to be respectful towards you, because you haven't earned it from them yet. Ie. every stranger disrespecting you, is okay, because you haven't yet earned their respect.

Politeness by the way, involves a modicum of respect. Some narcissists and sociopaths may do it only because it gets them what they want, but for most people, it involves acknowledging that strangers deserve a certain level of respect...and from there, they can either increase, or decrease your respect for them through their thoughts and actions.

 

 
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