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Liberals - Practice Conservative Argument Techniques

 
 
Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:01 pm
JustWonders wrote:
Heading back to the 60's huh? LOL.


Were you around at the time?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:02 pm
Poor old dems Sad Always going backwards.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:04 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
You've got to be kidding. All the conservatives are doing is setting it up for another 60s revolution. And I'm all for it. I had a lot of fun in the 60s, so let's just do it again.

I agree! The conservatives are pushing too hard, and it's going to bite them in the arse.

If we can get some nice pan-spectrum virophages out of high technology in the next ten years or so, we could make the 60's look like a bunch of puritans sitting around sewing.... hee hee

Cycloptichorn


And only sex can be more fun! Can't wait. Hilarious. The 60s followed the repressive 50s with Nixon/McCarthy in charge. Can you imagine what Bush/Rove will inspire? It's not going to be pretty.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:06 pm
Lola wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Lola wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
<yawn> and bored.....


You didn't answer the question. Do you know about it?


You didn't see my hand in the air, did you?


I can't see your hand, Tico, so how would I know where it is at this moment?


Well, that's a valid question. But you were the one asking for a show of hands............. Very Happy
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:08 pm
I think I saw Karl's hand raised Smile
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:30 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Lola wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Lola wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
<yawn> and bored.....


You didn't answer the question. Do you know about it?


You didn't see my hand in the air, did you?


I can't see your hand, Tico, so how would I know where it is at this moment?


Well, that's a valid question. But you were the one asking for a show of hands............. Very Happy


I know it's hard for you to get allegory, but I had hoped it was a simple enough one even for the conservatives. Guess not.

I would like to know how many people know of these incidents. I'll bet it's not many.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:31 pm
JustWonders wrote:
I think I saw Karl's hand raised Smile


And yes, I'm sure Karl knows all about it.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:34 pm
JustWonders wrote:
I think I saw Karl's hand raised Smile


yep. the right one. sich! Laughing

sorry... that one was just to appitizing to pass up...

back from the baumy tropics, j.w. ?
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:35 pm
Yeah, mon! 'Twas 89 and sunny when we got there and when we left, too LOL! I highly recommend it Smile
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 02:46 pm
NEVER SAY:

Tax Reform

INSTEAD SAY:

Tax Simplification

While a majority of Americans are generally in favor of tax reform, one-third of the population fears that they would end up paying more in taxes if the tax code was in fact reformed. However, almost all Americans believe they would personally benefit from a tax code that was simplified -- in terms of money they owe, time they spend and anxiety about the IRS. When more Americans fear the IRS than root-canal surgery, something should be done to simplify the tax code.

NEVER SAY:

Inheritance/Estate Tax

INSTEAD SAY:

The Death Tax

While a sizeable 68% of America thinks the Inheritance/Estate Tax is unfair, fully 78% think the Death Tax is unfair. And while a narrow majority would repeal the inheritance/estate tax, an overwhelming majority would repeal the death tax. If you want to kill the estate tax, call it a death tax.

NEVER SAY:

A Global Economy/Globalization/Capitalization

INSTEAD SAY:

Free Market Economy

More Americans are afraid of the principle of globalization than even privatization. The reason? Globalization represents something big, something distant and something foreign. It's the same reason why Americans like their local government but dislike Washington -- the closer you are, the more control you have. So instead of talking about the principles of globalization, instead emphasize "the value and benefits of a free market economy." Similarly, capitalism reminds people of harsh economic competition that yields losers as well as winners. Conversely, the free market economy provides opportunity to all and allows everyone to succeed.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:33 pm
Quote:
Free Market Economy


What are they? Socialists? Everyone knows that nothing is free in a capitalist society.

The key is to distort their language every chance you get to make them appear to be out of touch. Make their "good" phrases into perjoratives. Make their "bad" phrases equivalent to them.

Free Market Economy equates "socialism"
Washington is "Republicans"
"Death tax" is what our grandkids are going to have to pay after we are dead because of the Republicans today. I like that one. Lets start talking about the "death tax" that Republicans are imposing on our children.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:39 pm
Quote:
"Death tax" is what our grandkids are going to have to pay after we are dead because of the Republicans today. I like that one. Lets start talking about the "death tax" that Republicans are imposing on our children.


Golden!

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:44 pm
The death tax was initiated during the Clinton administration. The Republicans tried very hard to keep it from being passed.

It was one of those "why should the rich not have to pay more" whinings from the left. I am sure if the right had their druthers it would be dispensed of rather quickly.
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:50 pm
Quote:
The death tax was initiated during the Clinton administration. The Republicans tried very hard to keep it from being passed.


Do you mean the estate tax, McG?
Because if you do, you are completely rewriting history.

From http://www.treas.gov/education/faq/taxes/history.shtml
Quote:
I want to know about the origin of the Federal estate tax. Can you tell me when it became part of the tax code and the rationale behind it?

Answer In 1916 Congress for the first time levied a tax upon the transfer of a decedent's net estate.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 03:56 pm
Your right, I gave a rather simplistic explanation.

Clinton vetoed the last attempt by Republicans to repeal the estate tax. I suppose I should have said that instead.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:02 pm
Yeah, you mean the Estate Tax, McG.

It had only been called a 'death tax' recently in order to garnish support for ending it (a wholly ridiculous idea).

I like Parados' idea; every dollar spent in defecit today is an extra dollar taxed on to our children after our deaths... 'Death Tax' is a good way to say it.

Cycloptichorn
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:19 pm
Just some additions to Lola's list

NEVER SAY:

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

INSTEAD SAY:

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction programs

Oh, wait a minute:

INSTEAD SAY:

Iraq has ambitions to have weapons of mass destruction programs

No, that doesn't quite work. Let's try:

INSTEAD SAY:

Iraq has weapons of mass destruction-related activities

Hmmm, that's not right either. How about:

INSTEAD SAY:

Iraq has the capability to produce weapons of mass murder

Still not right? I know!

INSTEAD SAY:

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:23 pm
McG
The GOP passed the "death tax" in 2001, only they referred to it as a "tax cut" but lets call it what it is. A death tax to be paid by our grandkids after we are dead.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:36 pm
LOL Joe, very good

Now about the Estate Tax. We can call it's repeal a death tax to our children except for the filthy rich. Well, I'm not filthy rich, but I know a repeal of the tax will make my children considerably richer than they will be already. However, I'm not sure rich is the best for them, unless they've been instrumental in earning it.

Republicans have a work ethic only for the middle class. Can you image how wealth can accumulate in the hands of the very few and how those very few will know less and less about how to manage it as the generations pass? Take George Bush, for instance. He was born with a silver foot in his mouth and he's been gaging on it ever since. He's such a lousy business man, he had to have help finally so he could accumulate any money for himself. And his girls will definitely be richer if the estate tax is repealed.......and you can't imagine how little they know about fiscal responsibility.

It will be like a monarchy. And the revolution won't be like in the 60s but more perhaps like the American Revolution or maybe even the French.

Since Tico is so sure I'll inform you all about Bush's oil stock trick and the UT trick, I think I'll do so. I wouldn't want Tico to be wrong. Back in a minute.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Mar, 2005 04:57 pm
I'm barely able to contain my excitement and anticipation.
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