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Liberals - Practice Conservative Argument Techniques

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 11:49 am
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I've just learned of Cav's death. I'm shocked and upset.


Sad

My condolences.

Cycloptichorn
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 12:05 pm
Cyclo,

It's a big shock to all of us. Did you know him? He was a great, very entertaining, young and worthy man.

We'll grieve and then get back to this. I still think we need some practice. And I know Cav would have loved to join in.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2005 07:13 pm
Agreed.

This is an interesting idea, to say the least; to actually use all the cheap tactics I so depsise...

My favorite is probably conflation, which is the very subtle art of suggesting something by talking about two unrelated subjects in the same sentence, over and over, until the two become linked in people's minds, without ever actually coming right out and saying it...

Cycloptichorn
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 04:32 am
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 07:14 am
bookmarking
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 22 Feb, 2005 06:11 pm
I think we have a good example of the technique behind a ipically conservative argument here.

Principle 1: Always claim victim status. Even when you're the one demanding someone else to be stopped from doing whatever it is they're doing, make sure you describe it as an attempt by them to shut you up.

I really like Cyclo's last one, by the way. Exactly.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 12:37 am
Principle 1-- Be on the right side of the issue.

Principle 2-- State facts, not horseshit.

I'll stop. None of you have ever made it past #1.

This is truly pathetic. But apropo.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 02:56 am
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 03:05 am
Lash wrote:
Principle 1-- Be on the right side of the issue.

Principle 2-- State facts, not horseshit.

I'll stop. None of you have ever made it past #1.

This is truly pathetic. But apropo.


Well, I must admit, I'm quite thankful about the "horseshit" - especially by the facts given e.g. by nimh.

[It's French, I know, Lash. But since your president used 'French Fries' again: apropos :wink: ]
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 07:36 am
msolga

Smile
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:45 am
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My favorite is probably conflation, which is the very subtle art of suggesting something by talking about two unrelated subjects in the same sentence, over and over, until the two become linked in people's minds, without ever actually coming right out and saying it...


Very good, Cyclo. Let's call this one # 6

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Principle 1: Always claim victim status. Even when you're the one demanding someone else to be stopped from doing whatever it is they're doing, make sure you describe it as an attempt by them to shut you up.


And yes, nimh, your's deserves a number as well. We'll call it # 7.

I'll compile a comprehensive list as soon with any new suggestions as they come in. But I think also, we need to practice these techniques. So let's do that too. We should all follow Lash's fine example below.

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Principle 1-- Be on the right side of the issue.


A clear example of a #1 if I ever saw one.

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Principle 2-- State facts, not horseshit.


And this is our first example of a ........oh dear, I believe that's a #1 as well.

If we all learn how to do this, we can turn the tide and defeat Rove in 2006 and beyond. YES!
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:48 am
And Msolga, that's a good one too. We'll call it #8. It's lesson # 23 on someone's list. I wonder what were the first 22.........

We're going to have to open an "argue like a conservative" school. Oh oh, and I know, we can hire Newt Gingrich as a teacher. That would be a good plan.
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Zane
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:51 am
Lash wrote:
Principle 1-- Be on the right side of the issue.

Principle 2-- State facts, not horseshit.

I'll stop. None of you have ever made it past #1.

This is truly pathetic. But apropo.


So this is Lash? You sent me a private message. I didn't know who you were. Still don't. I don't have pm reply privileges yet. Not that I necessarily would, to yours.
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Zane
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:52 am
Oh, sorry folks, derailing this thread was not my intention!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:57 am
I don't know, #7 seems to be more of a liberal tactic than a conservative tactic.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:10 am
McGentrix wrote:
I don't know, #7 seems to be more of a liberal tactic than a conservative tactic.


#8 Projection. Project all of your own failings onto your opposition.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:13 am
I once had two jars of red jam with no labels on.So I stuck my finger in them and tasted.They were both sticky and sweet.So I tossed a coin to decide which one was the strawberry and labelled it.The other was obviously raspberry.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:23 am
FreeDuck wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I don't know, #7 seems to be more of a liberal tactic than a conservative tactic.


#8 Projection. Project all of your own failings onto your opposition.


Again, this would also seem to be an arguement that a liberal would use. I just don't see Rush or Anne projecting or playing the victim quite like Fisk or Franken does.

Perhaps some examples of the things on this list would be helpful? From actual conservative pundits, not just participants on A2K that is.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:23 am
Fruitism! Not even the slightest consideration that jar two might have contained boisenberry.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:38 am
MG:-

No.The boisenberry jar had a label on.
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