Marijuana: beyond the social biases

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paul andrew bourne wrote:

Nevertheless, the response to that should not be the wholesale illegalization of marijuana. Otherwise, a similar position needs to be taken against alcohol, cigarettes, and other double-barreled products.

I would ask paul andrew bourne to expand upon that particular argument, but I don't think there's much point in that -- I get the impression that p.a.b. just starts threads, he doesn't participate in them.

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I was gonna read it, but then I noticed your remark, spendius.

Here are some facts: Alcohol is more damaging and less rewarding than pot.
Pot is illegal because it makes you think for yourself.
Alcohol is legal because it makes you a wretched slave to society.

All is said before. What is not said is that for maximum enjoyment of both pot and alcohol they should be consumed simultaneously at enormous amounts... Twisted Evil

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I like pot because when I'm stoned the clouds look like duckies and horsies.....

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420

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I like pot because when I reverse it, it's the top. That's when my dog becomes god, and I'm happy... Smile

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"The travesty of Economics"
Paul Andrew Bourne, msc. (candidate); bsc. (Hons); Dip edu.

If anyone casually walks into a Library or independently source Statistically Journals and or Reports, he/she will note that alcohol is the most frequently consumed product. Internationally, regionally and statewise, it has been proved that alcohol consumption has been responsible for many social evils and dislocations. Despite the product's high prevalence and social realities, legislators because of "stupid" biases are making laws for the purpose of financial gains and not otherwise. Cigarette consumption has been widely proved to be correlated to cancer increases in humans but the item is widely advertised on the various media as though it is "cool" to participate in. Notwithstanding the clinical drawbacks to the products mentioned earlier, "why cigarettes and alcohol consumption not deemed illegal'? In addition, there are other product that teenagers use as drugs such as perfumes and glues to name a few. If we seek to eradicate hard drugs, then let us use corrective measures to identify those items and thereby make them all illegal.

"What are your thoughts on the matter previously forwarded"?

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Re: "The travesty of Economics"

paul andrew bourne wrote:

Internationally, regionally and statewise, it has been proved that alcohol consumption has been responsible for many social evils and dislocations.... Cigarette consumption has been widely proved to be correlated to cancer increases in humans but the item is widely advertised on the various media as though it is "cool" to participate in.

Let me get this straight: alcohol and tobacco are responsible for many social evils, so since marijuana is no worse than alcohol and tobacco, we should legalize it? How does that make any sense? Why aren't you in favor of criminalizing alcohol and tobacco rather than decriminalizing marijuana?

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My boyfriend says that alcohol should be illegal and marijuana should be legal.......

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I have said this bfore and I mean it....all drugs should be legal...including coke, heroin, hallucinogens...alcohol...and available affordably at the drugstore with proper i.d. this takes care of the right to do whatever you want with your own body...however...if you venture outside while you are high and get caught you should be executed immediately on the street. No trial, no incarceration, no plea bargaining. This takes care of the right to be safe on the streets. Everyone wins. Equal fairness, equal justice, equal protection under the law..

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"Redress and not duress"
By Paul Andrew Bourne, MSc. (candidate); BSc. (Hons); Dip. Edu.

I am not purporting for or against the decriminalization of marijuana but it appears rather questionable that marijuana at one point was legalized in the Americas.

The issue is why are people not making more informed choice and decision in life based on accurate research findings. The verdict is in on cigarettes, cigars and alcohol but the fact is the marijuana is still on trial with a verdict that reads "1:1". So, why the criminalization?

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Re: "Redress and not duress"

paul andrew bourne wrote:

I am not purporting for or against the decriminalization of marijuana but it appears rather questionable that marijuana at one point was legalized in the Americas.

Marijuana was never "legalized." It was legal (inasmuch as it was never illegal), then it was made illegal.

paul andrew bourne wrote:

The issue is why are people not making more informed choice and decision in life based on accurate research findings. The verdict is in on cigarettes, cigars and alcohol but the fact is the marijuana is still on trial with a verdict that reads "1:1". So, why the criminalization?

That's your point? That people should make better-informed decisions? I'm thoroughly underwhelmed.

In any event, thanks for playing our game. You'll be receiving some lovely parting gifts.

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I'm with the polarbear. Where does the line go with needs? Wich ones are fabricated? Damn near every one! You need food and air and heat. That's about all you need on the material side of existence.
So drugs are a fabricated need, and it is harmful. So?
What about cars with 3.2 liter engines and three hundred horsepowers? I can see why you would need a car, but unless you're a farmer, an engine that can tow a house is not something you need. And it's harmfull too. At least I, as a smoker, suck the fumes into me, thereby relieving the ecosystem at least a little bit. And because it's pot I smoke I can see that it's necessary too.

I have said it before, and here it is again: There are two reasons tobacco and alcohol are legal and all other drugs are outlawed.
One: Some greedy bastards who are looking to make a buck
Two: The drugs that are legal make you too stupid to realize number one. The outlawed ones work the other way, and do not go well with number one at all...

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Crazielady420 wrote:

My boyfriend says that alcohol should be illegal and marijuana should be legal.......

Your boyfriend is clearly a gentleman of taste, distinction and refinement. Though frankly I wouldn't care if I could never have alcohol or marijuana again in my life. I much prefer uppers Wink

*sips more of his coffee*

bpb wrote:

however...if you venture outside while you are high and get caught you should be executed immediately on the street.

I'm down with that plan as long as you make some designated parks/movie theatres/pool halls etc where people can go outside their own home/clinic. Maybe keep them all inside big complexes so that people don't have to traverse the streets at all while high.

Unless you're a major hard-core drug user the actual pleasure and experience doesn't come from the chemicals but rather the fashions in which they improve and enhance other experiences.

Oooh, you could do theme parks. Imagine that, "stoner-world"... it makes 99.9% of its profit from selling snack-food.

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We should decriminalize pot because its basically uncontrollable. Its a plant that grows in nearly every climate. Anybody with half a brain and a backyard or closet can grow the stuff. Much money, man hours, and prison space is wasted on this stuff. There would probably be an intitial surge in use were it to be decriminalized, but I think it would eventually fall to the levels that we see now.

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Yea, doesn't making plants that grow in nature against the law strike you as a bit.... unnatural?

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theantibuddha wrote:

Crazielady420 wrote:
My boyfriend says that alcohol should be illegal and marijuana should be legal.......

Your boyfriend is clearly a gentleman of taste, distinction and refinement. Though frankly I wouldn't care if I could never have alcohol or marijuana again in my life. I much prefer uppers

*sips more of his coffee*

bpb wrote:
however...if you venture outside while you are high and get caught you should be executed immediately on the street.

I'm down with that plan as long as you make some designated parks/movie theatres/pool halls etc where people can go outside their own home/clinic. Maybe keep them all inside big complexes so that people don't have to traverse the streets at all while high.

Unless you're a major hard-core drug user the actual pleasure and experience doesn't come from the chemicals but rather the fashions in which they improve and enhance other experiences.

Oooh, you could do theme parks. Imagine that, "stoner-world"... it makes 99.9% of its profit from selling snack-food.[/[/b]quote]

Or Lynrd Skynrd & Jack Daniels mirrors :wink:

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Bi-polar-bear, judging from that last post you probably need some fresh air by now... (?) Smile

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It was an older reference friend but certainly no older than the snack food one....don't judge me by it....we used to like to do acid and ride the roller coasters as we were peaking...nothing better than a fun park when you're tripping....

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