@Setanta,
Setanta wrote: I'm sure the conservatives/tories will continue to deny this--after all, so many of their money boys are in the energy industry.
You seem to think that the left/labor is immune from economic interests but nothing could be farther from the truth.
In order to keep the economy growing to create jobs and tax revenues, they need to protect the industries that generate the most revenues and thus taxable corporate income.
So when they talk about carbon taxes, etc. it is not with a real goal to reduce the economic activity that harms the climate UNLESS the economy can find a way to do so and still shoulder the tax burden.
The moment the carbon tax causes negative growth, they would abate or eliminate it because they want to maintain growth and only institute reform insofar as it doesn't obstruct growth and the harnessing thereof to 'lift all boats,' so to speak.
The reality is that if the majority of people in industrial-consumer markets shifted to actually reducing personal motor-vehicle ownership by switching to public transit and if other reforms were actually instituted to reduce the per capita energy/resource footprint of consumers in lucrative markets, the financial markets would lose their grip and maintaining that grip that economic dependency gives them is more important to them than reforming climate.
Likewise, for the left that economic dependency is also important because it is how they leverage the power needed to move resources around to those who need access to them, including themselves.
So there's no one on either side of the political spectrum that is really willing to reduce the footprint of industrial consumerism until some method of maintaining economic dependency is secured that doesn't involve everyone having multi-year car loans, insurance payments, etc.
This is why big investment plans involving EVs, infrastructure investments, carbon capture, etc. are all favored over simply reducing motor-vehicle ownership and infrastructure/pavement by shifting more people to public transit. Everything has to pass a 'big spending' test or it is dismissed as irrelevant; i.e. because growth is king and the left is as much or more to blame for the growth-lust as conservatives, who are probably mostly just aware that there's no way to eliminate fossil fuels in current economic markets yet.
The moment markets make the choice to forego/reduce fossil fuel usage on a large scale, conservatives will have to allow it because they can't/won't force fuel/transportation/infrastructure dependency the way socialists will in the interest of guaranteeing growth and revenues. Conservatives simply want to keep working to serve free markets and keep what they make by doing so. They don't have an interest in controlling demand the way socialists do.