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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2020 02:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The volcanoes in Hawaii are a good example
Indeed. The "hot spot" thing. It's why I bought 100 square kilometers of ocean down there. Now it's just a matter or waiting until the big real estate dollars come pouring in.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jan, 2020 04:44 pm
@blatham,
Only the SW part of the "Big Island" All the others are pretty much sailing along with declining shield volcanoes.
livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 05:58 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The volcanoes in Hawaii are a good example, because they are far away from plate boundaries.

The Hawaiian islands are attributed to there being a spreading ridge and possibly a mantle plume.

Why is volcanism being discussed here exactly?
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:09 am
@farmerman,
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with declining shield volcanoes.
I don't understand this. Could you flesh it out for me?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:14 am
@livinglava,
Mantle plumes and hor pots are individually different from ach other as BOTH are different from Tectonic "ridges".
You brought up the subject , remember?

farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:18 am
@blatham,
as the islands move along their path away from the mantle thinned area where the volcanoes are borned, th vulcanism declines, like the Rio Grande ancient vulcanism area.

New land is always being produced at the S tips f the Big Island and it just fades away NW.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:21 am
@farmerman,
Yesterday nd Saturday we had a series of spring weather phenomena in the East US. Line squall T storms nd very heavy downpours. It isnt so much that they occur, it jut that their occurrences are marching in earlier and earlier of ah year. We may get to a point where the"season" never really ends even briefly.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:22 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Mantle plumes and hor pots are individually different from ach other as BOTH are different from Tectonic "ridges".
You brought up the subject , remember?

Without going back to check, I think it was raised by someone else who was for some reason comparing volcanic eruptions to some aspect of anthropogenic emissions.

I am generally interested in geological energy processes and their relationship to biospheric processes, by my perspective is controversial due to assumptions that have sedimented that biospheric energy is largely separate from deeper energy processes.

What I was asking was why the issue of volcanoes at spreading ridges or other plate boundaries was being discussed here and now.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 09:26 am
@livinglava,
you have to be somewhat flexible as to the give and take within a thread. There is usually no single valid reason why anything with an asymptotic topic relationship becomes a point of discussion.
You brought it up, Walter and I just kinda went with that topic (My geology teacher part of me likes to dwell in entire accuracy rather than that of popular science)
blatham
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 09:30 am
@farmerman,
Good. Gotcha.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 06:19 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
My geology teacher part of me likes to dwell in entire accuracy rather than that of popular science)

What does that mean?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jan, 2020 11:42 pm
Our world is getting warmer - not only the atmosphere, but also the oceans. The past ten years have brought the highest temperatures in the oceans since the 1950s, an international team of scientists reports in the journal "Advances in Atmospheric Sciences". The most recent five years have been the warmest in each case.

2019 was therefore the year with the highest water temperature recorded in the ocean since measurements began. The sea temperature down to a depth of two kilometres was about 0.075 degrees above the average from 1981 to 2010, according to the paper, which was written by Cheng Lijing of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) at China's Academy of Sciences (CAS). The researchers also point out that climate change is accelerating the warming of the oceans.

Record-Setting Ocean Warmth Continued in 2019
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 04:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Every year, a German "non-word of the year" is selected to highlight derogatory expressions.

'Climate hysteria' is picked as German 'non-word of the year' 2019
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"Klimahysterie" (climate hysteria) has been named Germany's derogatory catchword of the year, announced the jury of the "Unwort des Jahres," (Non-Word of the Year) on Tuesday.

The expression aims to "defame climate protection efforts and the climate protection movement and to discredit debates" on the topic, the jury of linguists from the Technical University of Darmstadt said.

In a year marked by the Fridays for Future movement initiated by teenage Swedish activist Greta Thunberg, many commentators and politicians have attempted to dismiss the global emergency as collective hysteria. For example, Alexander Gauland, prominent politician for the far-right Alternative for Germany (AFD) party said in June, "The AfD will not participate in the climate hysteria of the other parties."

Derogatory expression of the year

The Non-Word of the Year title aims to bring to light the media's use of language and to advance awareness of words which violate human dignity and the principles of democracy or lead to discrimination.

Established in 1991, the political buzzword was selected by the Society for German Language until 1994, when an independent jury on Darmstadt took over the yearly project. Anyone may propose a word, and the jury makes the final decision.

The jury received over the year 671 proposals from the public, amounting to 397 different expressions, including "Bauernbashing" (farmer-bashing), "Ökodikatur" (eco-dictatorship), "Bevölkerungsexplosion" (population explosion or "Ethikmauer" (ethical wall).

In 2018, the winner was "anti-deportation industry," an expression accusing those who undertake legal support for deportees of doing so for financial profit. The previous year's Non-Word was the Donald Trump-inspired "alternative facts,"while in 2016 the term "Volksverräter" ("traitor to the nation") came out on top, with the jury noting that the word is a "legacy of dictatorships," including that of National Socialism in Germany.
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 06:54 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Our world is getting warmer - not only the atmosphere, but also the oceans. The past ten years have brought the highest temperatures in the oceans since the 1950s, an international team of scientists reports in the journal "Advances in Atmospheric Sciences". The most recent five years have been the warmest in each case.

2019 was therefore the year with the highest water temperature recorded in the ocean since measurements began. The sea temperature down to a depth of two kilometres was about 0.075 degrees above the average from 1981 to 2010, according to the paper, which was written by Cheng Lijing of the Institute of Atmospheric Physics (IAP) at China's Academy of Sciences (CAS). The researchers also point out that climate change is accelerating the warming of the oceans.

Record-Setting Ocean Warmth Continued in 2019


Water is a denser thermal medium than air, so it might be good if the quantity of total heat stored in the warmed ocean water was published in addition to the temperature change.

Water whose temperature is only slightly warmer can add a lot more heat to the atmosphere in the form of increased water vapor that will rise off the water due to its higher temperature.

Really we need more explanation of how the heat taken up in the oceans is distributed further into atmospheric water vapor and deeper ocean thermal currents, as well as what happens to those thermal currents within the oceans.

It is easy for people to assume that the oceans are giant and thus that any extra heat absorbed by them will just disappear, but like the atmosphere, the oceans must have climatological patterns that should be understood fully in order to predict the long-term effects of continually adding heat/CO2 to them.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 07:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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"anti-deportation industry," an expression accusing those who undertake legal support for deportees of doing so for financial profit.

That's a dilly! And as we know, the same propaganda lie has been utilized to suggest that any/all scientists doing work in any field which might be related to climate change (or smoking or pollution etc) are motivated merely by financial gain - therefore their voices cannot be trusted as objective. But at the same time, the critics who make the charge will totally disregard how their "argument" applies to the huge corporations/industries such as fossil fuels where the really big bucks and profit demands are located.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 07:24 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
Really we need more explanation of how the heat taken up in the oceans is distributed further into atmospheric water vapor and deeper ocean thermal currents, as well as what happens to those thermal currents within the oceans.

It is easy for people to assume that the oceans are giant and thus that any extra heat absorbed by them will just disappear, but like the atmosphere, the oceans must have climatological patterns that should be understood fully in order to predict the long-term effects of continually adding heat/CO2 to them.
The Earth's climate and its variability are largely determined by the interaction between ocean and atmosphere.
Oceans are subsystems of the climate system such as the atmosphere, biosphere, cryosphere and soil.

It has also long been known that there is a constant exchange of energy and heat between the oceans and the atmosphere, and overall, interrelations and interactions in the climate system are well documented.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 07:57 am
James Murdoch criticises father's news outlets for climate crisis denial
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Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp and Fox cited for ‘frustrating’ coverage of Australian bushfires

James and Kathryn Murdoch have issued a statement criticising Rupert Murdoch’s firms for ‘ongoing denial’ on the climate crisis.

Rupert Murdoch’s son has strongly criticised his family’s news outlets for downplaying the impact of the climate crisis, as bushfires continue to burn in Australia.

James Murdoch and his wife Kathryn issued a rare joint statement directly criticising his father’s businesses for their “ongoing denial” on the issue, which has manifested in the family’s newspapers repeatedly casting doubt on the link between the climate emergency and the bushfires.

“Kathryn and James’s views on climate are well-established and their frustration with some of the News Corp and Fox coverage of the topic is also well-known,” a spokesperson for the couple told the Daily Beast. “They are particularly disappointed with the ongoing denial among the news outlets in Australia given obvious evidence to the contrary.”

James Murdoch was most recently the chairman of the family’s 21st Century Fox entertainment business, leaving when it merged with Disney. He is currently making media investments through his own Lupa Systems company but continues to sit on the board of the family’s newspaper business News Corp, which also owns the Times and the Sun.

The bushfires have focused attention on the likes of Andrew Bolt, a political commentator for News Corp’s Australian newspapers who is known for promoting the views of climate science deniers, and for his own attacks on “alarmists” and his derision of climate change science.

He also has a programme on the Murdoch-owned Sky News Australia, where he has criticised the “constant stream of propaganda” on the public broadcaster ABC about the role of the climate crisis in the bushfires.

“Politicians who should do better are out there feeding the fear and misinformation,” he said in a recent broadcast criticising politicians who said carbon emissions needed to be cut to avoid future fires. “As if that would stop a fire. You’d have to be a child like Greta Thunberg to believe that fairytale.”

US viewers have also heard commentary from Fox News presenters such as Laura Ingraham, who has said that “celebrities in the media have been pressing the narrative that the wildfires in Australia are caused by climate change”, before introducing guests who cast doubt on this interpretation.

James Murdoch’s criticism sheds light on the family’s internal rifts, amid speculation over his 88-year-old father’s succession plans. James’s older brother Lachlan is still actively involved in the family businesses as the US-based chairman and chief executive of the slimmed-down Fox Corporation, which owns Fox News.

Last year Rupert Murdoch told shareholders there “there are no climate change deniers” around his company and said his business was early to commit to “science-based targets to limit climate change” and was working to reduce its climate emissions.

However, he has been publicly critical about the “alarmist” approach to the issue. In 2015 he used his Twitter account to describe himself as a “climate change sceptic not a denier”.

Lachlan Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch and News Corp have all separately donated millions of dollars to bushfire recovery efforts in recent days, although the Daily Beast claimed the donations were made after it requested comment about James Murdoch’s statement on climate change.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 08:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
we follow the money and influence and the understandings of climate denial become clearer. Perhaps invested colimate denial will decrease as Sir Rupert 's senility reaches full flower.

Its hartening to see Jr criticize dad on something that is as life changing on the planet.
blatham
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 08:52 am
@farmerman,
James and his wife have stood somewhat aside from the family for a few years, wife particularly. But James is now far less involved in media control/content than he had been previously with Rupert and Lachlin now in charge. FOX is Rupert's big money machine (not to mention his means for political manipulation) so I don't know what has to happen for this to change.
farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jan, 2020 08:58 am
@blatham,
Lachlan is only in charge because ,(reportedly) ,Rupert's lost a significant amount of his walnuts after his 201fall on some boat. I dont think Lachlan i as effective in cobbling rsources as was Rupert.
 

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