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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 04:39 pm
@ican711nm,
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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.
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Chemist and Biochemist Dr. Michael F. Farona, an emeritus professor of Chemistry at the University of Akron and the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, critiqued the news media for inadequate reporting about global warming and expressed climate skepticism. “Data, numbers, graphs, trends, etc., are generally missing in supposedly scientific reports on global warming. These articles are usually long on opinions and short on hard data. Phrases such as ‘scientists agree that ...’ scientists doubt that ...’ do not belong in a scientific article. There are more data in Michael Crichton's novel State of Fear than in all the global warming articles combined that I have read,” Farona wrote on January 3, 2008. “There have been at least four interglacial periods, where the glaciers have advanced and retreated. The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago and, in the case of North America, left the Great Lakes in the glacier's retreat. The glaciers are still retreating, so there should not be any great surprise that the sea level is rising. The industrial revolution is about 150 years old, compared to 10,000 years of warming. Can human activities have really made a significant contribution to rising temperatures in that amount of time?” Farona asked. “We know that the east coast of the U.S. was flooded during the previous interglacial period, so sea level rising and coastal flooding are not unique to this interglacial period. Why now the draconian predictions of coastal flooding as if this has not happened before?” he continued. “What is the relationship between an increased level of carbon dioxide and temperature? Can it be predicted that an increase of so many parts per billion of carbon dioxide will cause an increase of so many degrees? I have not seen any answers to the questions posed above, leading me to adopt a somewhat skeptical view of blaming global warming on human activities. What puzzles me is the reluctance of climatologists to provide scientific data supporting their dire predictions of the near future if we don't change our ways,” Farona concluded. (LINK) & (LINK)

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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 07:07 pm
ican says

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It is a fact that during the specific 90 year period, 1910 to 2000, CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY increased, SOLAR IRRADIANCE increased, and ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE increased.

It is also a fact that during the specific 10 year period, 2000 to 2010, CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY increased, SOLAR IRRADIANCE decreased, and ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE decreased.


It is FALSE that annual average global temperature decreased from 2000-2010. Annual average global temperature INCREASED from 2000 to 2010 while solar irradiance DECREASED. Therefore ican is as usual completely wrong in implying solar irradiance can be a major cause of global warming. .

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110112/509796main_GISS_annual_temperature_anomalies.gif

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20110112/509796main_GISS_annual_temperature_anomalies.gif[/img]
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 16 Mar, 2011 08:52 pm
@ican711nm,
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif

Somehow ican sees the blue line going down in the last 10 years...

I think you need to get your eyesight checked or maybe your head leveled because that blue line is going up in the last 10 years.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 04:03 pm
Polluter Profits Vs. Public Health

The rise of the Tea Party in Congress has inspired an all-out assault on public health and a clean environment. Several freshman Republicans have joined Newt Gingrich's call to abolish the Environmental Protection Agency. Republicans in the House Energy Committee unanimously voted not once, not twice, but three times, to deny that climate change is real, despite the broad scientific consensus that "climate change is happening and human beings are a major reason for it." Every House Republican voted against stripping big oil companies of taxpayer funded subsidies -- which would have saved American citizens tens of billions of dollars. The Republican-controlled House Administration Committee even slashed Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's (D-CA) "Green the Capitol" initiative, ordering the switch of recyclable materials to non-biodegradable Styrofoam to be used in the House cafeterias. "It apparently no longer matters in Congress what health experts and scientists think," Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA) observed. "All that seems to matter is what Koch Industries thinks."

GOP PROTECTING POLLUTER PROFITS: After hours of debate over the last few days, the Senate may vote as early as today on Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) and Sen. Jim Inhofe's (R-OK) legislation to gut the EPA's ability to set greenhouse pollution rules for coal plants and oil refineries. The language, which passed Upton's energy committee this week, has been introduced by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) as Amendment 183 to an unrelated small-business bill. Inhofe isn't likely to get the 60 votes needed to pass, but enough Democrats are susceptible to the arguments of the coal and oil industries to join the science deniers in the Republican Party to cross the 50 vote threshold. The Hill reports that the "lead sponsors of House GOP legislation to kill EPA climate change rules" -- the Committee From Koch's Rep. Fred Upton (R-MI) and Rep. Ed Whitfield (R-KY) -- "crossed Capitol Hill for Senate meetings Wednesday amid a pending effort by their Senate Republican counterparts to advance the same plan." If this effort to prevent the EPA's modest action on climate change fails, the enemies of a healthy planet have more plans up their sleeve: Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) is pushing a moratorium on climate action, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) has introduced the constitutionally questionable REINS Act to require explicit Congressional approval for every agency rule, and House Republicans have defunded climate action and environmental protection in the spending bill for the remainder of 2011.

EPA PROTECTING LIVES: The Environmental Protection Agency yesterday unveiled its proposed rule to reduce mercury and air toxics for coal-fired power plants, after a ten-year delay. We are currently being exposed annually to 386,000 tons of 84 dangerous pollutants from uncontrolled coal plants, despite being classified as "air toxics." These include arsenic, lead, mercury, dioxins, formaldehyde, benzene, acid gases such as hydrogen chloride, and radioactive materials like radium and uranium. Even in small amounts, "these extremely harmful air pollutants are linked to health problems such as cancer, heart disease, neurological damage, birth defects, asthma attacks and even premature death." Coal-fired power plants produce more hazardous air pollution in the United States than any other industrial pollution sources. They were exempt from regulation until 2000, and then the Bush administration wasted its time with a system that was thrown out by the courts because it did not provide the protection required by the Clean Air Act. "Reducing mercury and other toxic air pollutants is a prescription for healthier babies , children, and seniors," said CAPAF president John Podesta. "A mandate to slash these toxic airborne pollutants will drive utilities to develop and deploy innovative clean energy technologies."

DIRTY COAL COMPLAINS: The dirty coal industry has attacked the proposed rules. The standards would result in "higher utility bills for households and businesses, substantial job losses and a significant weakening of the nation’s electricity reliability," National Mining Association President Hal Quinn said in a statement. However, industry analysts have found that electric system reliability can be maintained and that "the capital investments related to these regulations will create needed jobs and will yield many hundreds of billions of dollars in annual health benefits." The EPA estimates that for every dollar spent to reduce this pollution from power plants, there will be $5 to $13 in health benefits, up to $140 billion in total health benefits a year. Furthermore, a group of leading energy companies -- Calpine Corporation, Constellation Energy, Exelon Corporation, PG&E Corporation, Public Service Enterprise Group, Inc., and Seattle City Light -- congratulated the EPA for its proposed rule, saying there "ought to be no further delay" in its "effective implementation." "We know from experience that constructing this technology can be done in a reasonable time frame, especially with good advance planning," said Paul Allen, senior vice president and chief environmental officer of Constellation Energy, "and there is meaningful job creation associated with the projects."

--americanprogressaction.org

Ionus
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 04:13 pm
@Advocate,
Would these be the same health experts that keep changing their minds on what foods are good or bad ? Would these be the same scientists that agreed the bottom of the oceans were featureless ?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 17 Mar, 2011 09:34 pm
ionus: no and no.
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 12:21 am
@MontereyJack,
Then why do you announce with much subtle fan fare that they are SCIENTISTS....wow. These are people who never disagree, have no peer pressure, no competition for funds, no personality differences and are certainly not prone to human failures . If you are an atheist, scientists ARE God.....worship away.....
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 12:47 am
Ionus, I'm not sure I've announced anybody with 'subtle fanfare" as SCIENTISTS. Are you sure you're not thinking of ican's cut-and-pastings about Mark Murano (James Inhofe's public relations flack)and his list of "over 400 SCIENTISTS"? Many of whom turned out to be TV weatherpeople who portray scientists on TV, or economists, or nutballs? Those supposed "expert" "scientists"?
Ionus
 
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Reply Fri 18 Mar, 2011 02:23 am
@MontereyJack,
No, I'm not sure either...you threw me by responding to a post directed at someone else......oops ! Embarrassed
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 25 Mar, 2011 11:47 am
THE AVERAGE AND MEAN ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURES INCREASED LESS THAN 1°C (1.8°F) IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.
Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.gif

Jan-Dec Global Mean Temperature over Land & Ocean 1880-2010
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif

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okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
Those scientists surely are better than Al Gore and his poor excuse for science, "Inconvenient Truth," which has been forcefed students all over this country, MJ.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 06:58 pm
Global warmers can take heart, because maybe the news about such a cold winter this year was not as cold as some said. It was only the 39th coldest in this country in the last 115 years!! That means that all of 38 other years of the past 115 years were colder. And who knows, maybe some of those temps can be revised upward with time? You know, after the "correction factors" are applied.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cold-snow-harsh-winter/story?id=13205971

"Hurrell has just completed a new temperature analysis that shows winter of 2010-2011 was, on average, warmer than you might think -- ranked as only the 39th-coldest winter in the U.S. since 1895. "
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 07:08 pm
@okie,
Not the coldest winter ever true, but I've never seen it STAY cold with no breaks like this in the mid Atlantic region from early December to mid March like this.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 07:11 pm
@Advocate,
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The rise of the Tea Party in Congress has inspired an all-out assault on public health and a clean environment.



Bullshit. What it's inspired is an all out assault on rogue government agencies including most notably the EPA, which are hell bent on reducing our country to third world standards for no rational reason.

Gaea-worship is a form of ******* idolatry.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 07:39 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
Not the coldest winter ever true, but I've never seen it STAY cold with no breaks like this in the mid Atlantic region from early December to mid March like this.
You are citing anecdotal evidence, gunga. Only the news media and global warmers are allowed to do that, remember?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Sat 26 Mar, 2011 10:12 pm
@okie,
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You know, after the "correction factors" are applied.
There are no end of correction factors...all in the name of good science without opinion and bias influencing it, of course ! But if it gets colder then that MUST be due to Global Warming.....if you are a believer, it makes perfect sense .
okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 02:23 pm
@Ionus,
It would not surprise me to hear that all the uprisings in the Middle East are due to global warming too, Ionus? For someone that wants to do some research, that would be fun to check out. Who knows, maybe the connection has already been made?
okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 02:54 pm
@okie,
Actually I had forgotten, but a few years ago there was a list of a hundred things or so, caused by global warming.
I don't know if this is the one I remembered or not, but here is a link of some things caused by global warming, such as increasing crime, heroin addiction, caterpillars devouring 45 towns in Liberia, rising insurance premiums, and all manner of things like that.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/17/global-warming-ate-my-homework-100-things-blamed-on-global-warming/
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 06:00 pm
@okie,
One I read said the oceans were going to 60m higher....not a bad effort, since the highest they have ever been with no ice any where on the planet is only 5 m higher . But they have been 60m lower...which would do more damage.....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2011 10:16 pm
@okie,
Indeed, most climatologists said so, it was widely published in the meteorological literature and of course approved by the UN.
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