Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

@RABEL222,

The earth has mountain glaciers only during Ice Ages. If they melt, we will be back to the standard. Not hotter, not colder, just where we usually are at.

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@Ionus,

Higher water levels on the coast. Not good for someplace like NJ.

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@RABEL222,

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Higher water levels on the coast.

But not as high as some are claiming. The levels have been 5m higher and 70m lower. The problem is compounded by the weight being removed from the land and it rises slower than the water.

Which is worth saving ? NJ or the Great Barrier Reef ? Because it might survive low tide being 5m higher but it wont survive high tide being 70m lower. I would rather have warming than cooling.

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@H2O MAN,

Al Gore is probably hiding - the NOAA keeps revising our expected wintertime temperatures downwards. The sun is on strike, or something:

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/sunspot.gif

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/
At last, some genius figured out the sun might have something to do with planetary climate. More so than the anthropogenic CO2, even.

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@High Seas,

Not so sure; recent reports by climate scientists have found CO2 in the ice layers in Antarctica.

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@cicerone imposter,

You're not so sure about what - the number of sunspots at any one time? It's been measured with precision for over 2 centuries.

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@Ionus,

Water expands when it freezes - that's why sea ice floats. If it melts, sea levels will go down, not up. Icebergs aren't sea ice - they're supposed to have broken off some land-based ice sheet - but presumably they work the same way, so I don't understand where all this threatened sea level rise comes from.

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@High Seas,

From BBC News:

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CO2 'highest for 650,000 years'
By Richard Black
Environment Correspondent, BBC News website

Microscope picture of gas bubbles in ice. Image: W. Berner/University of Bern
Gas bubbles trapped in ice store valuable climatic information
Current levels of the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere are higher now than at any time in the past 650,000 years.

That is the conclusion of new European studies looking at ice taken from 3km below the surface of Antarctica.

The scientists say their research shows present day warming to be exceptional.

Other research, also published in the journal Science, suggests that sea levels may be rising twice as fast now as in previous centuries.

HS, Are you a climate scientist?

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@cicerone imposter,

So very glad to see you interested in mathematical modeling, CI! Presumably you've covered the most recent Sun toroid activity literature

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1. “Sunspots may vanish by 2015“, William Livingston and Matthew Penn, 2006 — Unpublished, 10 pages.
2. “Are Sunspots Different During This Solar Minimum?“, William Livingston and Matthew Penn, EOS (of the American Geophysical Union), 28 July 2009
3. “Long-term Evolution of Sunspot Magnetic Fields“, Matthew Penn, William Livingston, submitted to International Astronomical Union Symposium #273, 3 September 2010
4. “Say goodbye to sunspots“, Science/AAAS website, 14 September 2010

It should only take you a few minutes to review the equations - explicit and implicit in the above articles - please let me know your opinions Smile

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@High Seas,

HS, Why don't you just translate for us what sun spots have to do with CO2's effects on earth?

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@cicerone imposter,

This may may it clearer:
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/01apr_deepsolarminimum/

http://science.nasa.gov/media/medialibrary/2009/03/31/01apr_deepsolarminimum_resources/ssn_predict_l_strip.gif

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@High Seas,

A 15-year history on sun spots doesn't explain how that impacts CO2 and our climate.

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@High Seas,

Leave it to HS to confuse the US with the globe.

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@High Seas,

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If it melts, sea levels will go down, not up.

If the ice is floating the sea level will stay the same when it melts.

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I don't understand where all this threatened sea level rise comes from.

There are still some remnants of the Ice Age left on land. Antarctica, mountain Glaciers, frozen tundra, snow peaks...that sort of thing...but probably not enough to raise the see level anywhere near the 5m absolute max as the land has had 10,000 yrs to rise having had the weight of the large flat land glaciers removed.

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@cicerone imposter,

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Why don't you just translate for us what sun spots have to do with CO2's effects on earth?

Why don't you tell us how sun spots can be factored out in favour of CO2 ?

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@Ionus,

He's probably getting confused by posters who think that because the posted sunspot statistics originate with US-based agencies (NASA and NOAA), solar irradiance only affects the United States Smile

But if the mathematical projections are correct (see first link) it follows that the NOAA "consensus projections" (on second link, graph also posted above) are wrong; and increasingly it looks like the mathematicians are right. Sunspots - which have become fewer and fewer in this latest (the 24th) measured solar cycle - may really disappear by 2015; then we're in for even worse inversions of temperature anomalies, colder winters, record hot temperatures in unlikely places (Pakistan, central Siberia), no matter what CO2 levels are doing:

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"...there is a relationship within individual sunspots between the magnetic field strength and the plasma temperature, following from the pressure balance required to maintain a sunspot structure...."
http://www.astroengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/livingston-penn_sunspots2.pdf
The NOAA keeps revising expected number of sunspots downwards, but still doesn't get to zero by 2015, as the mathematicians do:
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SolarCycle/

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@High Seas,

Awww, HS....I could have dragged that out for pages more yet....he says blah, then I tell him the earth rotates, so on and so on.....

Razz

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@Ionus,

We have sunspot measurements going back 4 centuries - last time they disappeared (Maunder minimum) was a period of intense cold:

The fools tracking CO2 levels and claiming they cause higher average temperatures on earth forget about the big light in the sky. There is in fact a causal link: higher temperatures result in higher CO2 levels, not the other way around. The huge problem is oceanic pollution by heavy metals, not CO2.

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@High Seas,

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The fools ..... forget about the big light in the sky.

I cant wait to here why they think the sun can be eliminated from their CO2 hypothesis.

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@High Seas,

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The huge problem is oceanic pollution by heavy metals, not CO2.

Absolutely ! Poisoning the oceans is going to kill all life on earth (at least most of the higher life) and the fools are worried about CO2 which is at a tenth of previous levels.

Lets take a complicated measurement of the past temp of the earth from ice core samples, compare it to today when we have less ice and declare the world to be getting warmer.....you would fail a first year student for such a silly process. In one instance they took several samples from the same area, subjected them to the same tests and declared they had multiple evidence of how cold it was during the Ice Age compared to now. ?????WTF??????

They are trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. They say man is responsible for man made global warming, and I believe them. It is man's imagination that is responsible.

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