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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 08:40 pm
And draws completely unwarranted conclusions from it. That's what cherry-picking is all about.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 4 Jan, 2011 08:49 pm
The US is about 3% of the earth's suyrface. Central England is a fraction of 1%. It may have been colder than normal, but as NOAA says, at the same time it was cooler,
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The November 2010 Northern Hemisphere land and ocean surface temperature was the warmest November on record,
Which, contrary to Milloy, makes Central England a pretty piss-poor proxy for anything but Central England. That, okie, is Milloy cherry-picking.
okie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 02:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
The US is about 3% of the earth's suyrface. Central England is a fraction of 1%. It may have been colder than normal, but as NOAA says, at the same time it was cooler,
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The November 2010 Northern Hemisphere land and ocean surface temperature was the warmest November on record,
Which, contrary to Milloy, makes Central England a pretty piss-poor proxy for anything but Central England. That, okie, is Milloy cherry-picking.
But all of those lousy climate recording stations giving us fraudulant data, that is not cherry picking, Jack?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 03:16 pm
@okie,
Since you're referring again to Central England's data (which actually really is a great source for the British Isles' climate!): you do know, I think, that most stations there show 'unregular' data due to urban warming etc (some had to be changed, two don't fulfil the ISO-norms for weather stations at all and thus aren't used by the Met Office), don't you?

But why don't you complain of this?
okie
 
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Reply Wed 5 Jan, 2011 10:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I probably would if I could spend all of my time every day looking at all of the data and how it is collected, Walter, but I don't happen to have the time or money to spend on it all the time, nor is it that important or frightening of an issue to me. The whole subject of global warming is more like a joke to me. I have read things about unregular data, but frankly I don't have the time to go check it out. At least the temperature record for Central England is showing a reasonable trend of normalcy, so that maybe all of the publication of some of those guys trying to cook the data has them a little nervous at least, and perhaps we will see more credible date?
okie
 
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Reply Thu 6 Jan, 2011 07:04 pm
Speaking of cooked data, has this been posted about New Zealand?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/16/new-zealands-niwa-sued-over-climate-data-adjustments/

"New Zealand’s NIWA sued over climate data adjustments
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He said the New Zealand Meteorological Service had shown no warming during the past century but Niwa had adjusted its records to show a warming trend of 1degC. The warming figure was high and almost 50 percent above the global average, said Mr Leyland.
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Incidentally, has anyone seen this on mainstream news? Probably not. Is it any wonder "global warming" is a joke to most people?
Deckland
 
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Reply Fri 7 Jan, 2011 01:20 pm
@okie,
It seems corrections have to be applied to all sorts of data to get the desired results....
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The Argo Network has shown a continuous declining trend in ocean temperatures. The trend was overstated in media reports because of published data with undetected errors in year 2006. In March 2008, Josh Willis of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory did report that the Argo system show no ocean warming since it started in 2003. "There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant," Willis has stated. A lot of media has reported the uncorrected data results and even though the revised corrected data appeared in 2008, many articles and arguments still use and promote the uncorrected data results from 2006.
In an article from November 5, 2008, Josh Willis states that the world ocean actually has been warming since 2003 after removing Argo measurement errors from the data and adjusting the measured temperatures with a computer model his team developed.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 02:33 pm
Global Cooling ... New Report...

Ice/Snow/Freezing rain/Sleet in the deep south... stay tuned.
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 02:51 pm
@okie,
It's a suit okie.. ANY idiot can file a law suit.

I wonder how much you will report the final ruling on the suit. I am guessing you won't mention it at all when the court rules.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 06:39 pm
@okie,
okie, I believe a little diversion from all your other issues will be healthy for you!
okie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 08:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Sure, I don't mind reminding the global warmers how cold it is out there.

http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/news/story/43933/this_january_could_be_coldest.asp

"January Could Be Coldest for US since 1985"
parados
 
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Reply Sun 9 Jan, 2011 08:38 pm
@okie,
And the US still isn't the entire globe even if it is winter.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 02:08 am
it's WEATHER, okie. WEATHER, NOT CLIMATE. While you're bitching about the cold in the lower 48, Alaskans are bitching that it's too warm. Yes. They are.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/alaska/1171224-ugh-why-so-dang-warm-barrow.html
Someone on that board is actually knowledgeable about what's going on, and tells the rest of them. You might read it and learn something. It's the same thing that happened last winter, when you were bitching about the cold then and Juneau was having a brown Christmas, not a white one.

The jet stream circles the Arctic. It's high altitude winds moving from west to east. Normally they describe a relatively smooth circle around the Arctic Circle, which basically keeps colder arctic winds away from us. Every few years, the jet stream develops kinks, some parts moving farther north, some parts farther sout. In the former areas, they get warmer weather than normal. In the latter, coldeer weather. Last winter and apparently this, the jet stream has been kinky. If you look at the graphic in the article in your cite, you will notice the cold bulge over the continental US. Look at the left, and you'll see Alaska (and apparently Siberia, from what the Alaskans say) in a warm bulge northward.

You've heard the phrase "cold winter"? That's why we have them. It's why we also have a "warm winter" (like the one three or four years ago, when trees were blooming in January in New York and Boston). It's WEATHER, not CLIMATE. Which is why we don't cite warm Alaska as an example of global warming. Which we prbably should, since you're making another faux issue of the cold.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 07:01 am
@MontereyJack,
And you're bitching because you bought into a scam, yes you are.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 09:52 am
No, I'm bitching because you denialists have the attention span of an earthworm and we keep going over and over the same basic information because you just can't retain it.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:23 am
@MontereyJack,
You are a pathetic drinker of the blue Kool-Aid.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 10:58 am
and you're apparently incapable of anything resembling intelligent discussion, since all you ever seem to do is come up with lame insults. they're not even creative insults, just tired right-wing memes.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 03:52 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

it's WEATHER, okie. WEATHER, NOT CLIMATE.
That does not stop libs from shouting from the housetops that "global warming" is responsible for the latest heat waves, or tornados, or hurricanes, mudslides, droughts or floods, whatever. We've been subjected to that garbage by the mainstream media now for years, Jack. You haven't noticed? Whats good for the goose should be good for the gander.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 04:15 pm
@okie,
Global warming, okie, is "the increase in the average temperature of Earth's near-surface air and oceans".

What you were referring at above is or maybe a result known as climate change.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 10 Jan, 2011 05:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Global warming, okie, is "the increase in the average temperature of Earth's near-surface air and oceans".

What you were referring at above is or maybe a result known as climate change.


Oh come on Walter ! The use of the euphamism "climate change" began began only when some of the distortions and unscientific excesses of the global warming cultists were exposed.

The geological record clearly shows that "climate change" is nothing new - earth's climate has been changing continuously, and significantly, ever since the earth was formed. The replacement of "global warming" with "climate change" by the AGW advocates is merely a self-serving, and very deceptive, euphamism.
 

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