Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

@MontereyJack,

Sorry, Jack, I actually work in China for much of the year and am about to go back in a few days so I know their government's position - it's against pollution. Not a moment too soon since their inland and coastal waters have been turned into hopelessly toxic sewers and their - unique in the world - river dolphins are now extinct. The allegedly clean-burning-coal plants account for how much of electricity generated in China? Try zero, as in 00.00. These plants cost a helluvalot and that's before factoring in indirect costs - or externalities. Look up the actual sources of power generation, not the PR.

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H20boy,Santa Claus has the thermostat in his workshop at the North Pole (he's had to install pontoons to hold the workshop up, since global warming is melting the ice out from underneath him). Dumb question, H2O

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High Seas says:

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so I know their government's position - it's against pollution

Yes, of course, that's ONE of their reasons for doing it. It is not their only one. They have many, which all reinforce each other. They are also, as I said, worried about the effect of climate change. And they see a golden oportunity for developing the next generation of technology to combat it, which the West is shamefully not exploiting

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@MontereyJack,

Just how much of that is due to people ?

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ionus, uh, how much of what? too many topics going on here at once, what are you referring to?

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@MontereyJack,

Click on your psuedonom above my post. It was in response to your list of disasters created by God.

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HS, they have a commercial-scale plant up and running. We haven't even any proof-of-concept plants. They built traditional dirty plants because they were quick and cheap, but the reports are that economies of scale make new generation plants cheaper and those are the ones on the planning tables now.

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ionus, hm, interesting, didn't know clicking on it did that. Live and learn. Very little--comet collisions? Nah. Mass extinctions? Nah. Bubonic plague? Nah. Those are all the big guy.

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Interesting tho this is, my sleep schedule has gotten all screwed up again.. It's 8:50 AM here and I've been up all night and I am going to sleep. Carry on.

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Ms. Jack has joined the cult and Ms. Jack is drinking the blue Kool-Aid.

Poor little girl has her panties in such a wad.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

... the reports are that economies of scale make new generation plants cheaper and those are the ones on the planning tables now.

Who do you think writes those reports? Who do you think implements the "planning" you get to hear about? Why do you think these people employ western professionals at all - having plenty of their own experts? Well I speak for no engineering, only for finances, and suggest you could do worse than look into the actual numbers before you venture into any more categorical statements like these. The only sustainable financial numbers are those for nuclear plants - and it's no accident the Chinese have managed to corner the Australian and African uranium supplies - and they don't have the problem we do, idiot "environmentalist" ignoramuses blocking construction of new nuclear plants, or the short-sightedness we exhibit in turning down projects with high front-end costs because the financing won't work out. Read what you post - China has one (ONE) clean-coal plant?! True. Think about it.

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http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/global-jan-dec-error-bar-pg.gif

Jan-Dec Global Mean Temperature over Land & Ocean
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Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010

Average Annual Global Temperature 1850-2010
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Solar Irradiance 1611 t0 2001

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CO2 Density Trend 1958-2008

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@ican711nm,

THE AVERAGE AND MEAN ANNUAL GLOBAL TEMPERATURES INCREASED ABOUT 1°C (1.8°F) IN THE LAST 100 YEARS.

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http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb
As of December 20, 2007, more than 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged
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Meteorologist Thomas B. Gray is the former head of the Space Services branch at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and a researcher in NOAA’s Space Environment Laboratory and Environmental Research Laboratories. Gray also served as an aviation meteorologist for the United States Air Force. Gray asserted that “climate change is a natural occurrence” and dissented from the view that mankind faces a “climate crisis” in 2007. “I was awarded my MS in meteorology from Florida State University and I became interested in paleoclimatology,” Gray wrote to EPW on December 25, 2007. “Nothing that is occurring in weather or in climate research at this time can be shown to be abnormal in the light of our knowledge of climate variations over geologic time,” Gray explained. “I am sure that the concept of a ‘Global Temperature’ is nonsense,” he added. “The claims of those convinced that AGW (anthropogenic global warming) is real and dangerous are not supported by reliable data,” Gray concluded.

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I see Obama is not walking the walk with any energy saving transportation! Instead, he has an 8 ton diesel limousine to drive him around.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/obamas-beast-limo-creates-stir-at-nato-green-summit/19727153?test=latestnews
"Obama's 'Beast' Creates Stir at NATO Green Summit"

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@okie,

It seems they want the poor to save the earth, they are too busy enjoying the here and now.

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@okie,

Fortunately, all other US-Americans are driving small cars with very low energy consumption.

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Another Top International Scientist Jumps off Global Warming ‘Titanic’

I dont think many will go down with the ship. They tried to reign in consumer madness with lies and it didnt work.

They are comparing the temp of the earth during an Ice Age from ice samples and declaring the planet is warmer after the ice has melted. ???? Where are the ice samples from after the ice has melted to do a comparison ? Very Happy

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UK shivers in record low temperatures
PARTS of Britain have experienced record low temperatures, including minus 17 Celsius in Wales, forecasters say, amid warnings of more heavy snow to come.

A sure sign of man made global warming.

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@Deckland,

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UK shivers in record low temperatures

And last summer we had snow in Oz. There are no end of anomalies to be discounted when you already know the result you want.

Interesting attitude they have.....
If it gets hotter it is due to GW
If it gets colder it is due to GW

A km of ice over Europe, North America, Asia....what would that do to the popuation and wildlife compared to the Earth getting a little hotter ?

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@Ionus,

Yes..quite evident and plausible as the weather extremes are reached due to global warming. Whether or not global warming is man-made or nature is the debatable issue.

I have no idea how some weather phenomenons can be SCIENTIFICALLY (or otherwise)attibutable to man vs natural causation.

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