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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:18 am
Ionus: Monterey Jack completely ignores the position taken by a strong proponent of "global warming". Why?

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There are many many commentators about East Anglia and Paul Jones. A scathing critique of Jones was issued by Paul Monbiot, who can only be described as one of the faithful climate warming advocates.

Monbiot wrote:

Blog home Climate change email scandal shames the university and requires resignationsThe hacked emails shows that Phil Jones, after 20 years of failing to issue a correction, isn't the only one who should resign
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Professor Phil Jones, director of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and a professor in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia in Norwich, who, at the heart of the scandal, failed to make a vital correction for 20 years. Photograph: University of East Anglia

This is a tough time for climate science. The Guardian's new revelations about the hacked emails from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia might help to explain the university's utter failure to confront its critics. They could also explain why the head of the unit, Phil Jones, blocked freedom of information requests and proposed that material subject to those requests be deleted. He has been spared a criminal investigation only because the time limit for prosecutions has expired.

The emails I read gave me the impression that Phil Jones had something to hide. Now we know what it might have been. The Guardian has discovered that Jones appears to have suppressed data that undermines a paper he published in Nature in 1990. The paper claimed that Chinese weather stations show that local heating caused by urbanisation has very little effect on the temperature record. It now seems that much of the data they used is worthless and the documents required to validate it do not exist. The paper might be 20 years old, but in a way that makes the scandal worse: Phil Jones has had 20 years in which to issue a correction. Even after the hacking in October last year, he has still not done so.

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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:26 am
Ionus: Why is Monterey Jack unable to comment on the remarks made by eminent scientists who have excoriated the liars at East Anglia. It is clear that much of the "science" used in the manufacturing of the data presented by Monterey Jack comes from East Anglia. You are aware, I am sure, that Phil Jones has LOST most of the original research. Therefore, any data given by Monterey Jack is suspect.

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"The eminent climate scientist, Dr. Hans von Storch, professor at the Meterological Institute in the University of Hamburg, Germany, noted

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"I would assume that more interesting issues willbe found of the files and that an interesting debate about the POLITICIZATION of climate science will emerge. A conclusion could be that the principle, according to which data must be made public, so that the adversaries may check the analysis must be really enforced. Another conclusion cou ld be that scientists like Mike Mann, Phil Jones and others should NO LONGER PARTICIPATE in the peer-review process or in assessment activities like IPCC"
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:29 am
It is clear that Dr, Whitehouse, whose article is given below does not agree with Monterey Jack. Does Monterey Jack claim superior scientific credentials to Dr. Whitehouse.

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Has global warming stopped?
David Whitehouse

Published 19 December 2007



Global warming stopped? Surely not. What heresy is this? Haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt?

Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? But as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent IPCC’s Synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. Witness the drama at Bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp.

With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 " there has been no warming over the 12 months.

But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No.

The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming " the greenhouse effect. Something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.

In principle the greenhouse effect is simple. Gases like carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorb outgoing infrared radiation from the earth’s surface causing some heat to be retained.

Consequently an increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities such as burning fossil fuels leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Thus the world warms, the climate changes and we are in trouble.

The evidence for this hypothesis is the well established physics of the greenhouse effect itself and the correlation of increasing global carbon dioxide concentration with rising global temperature. Carbon dioxide is clearly increasing in the Earth’s atmosphere. It’s a straight line upward. It is currently about 390 parts per million. Pre-industrial levels were about 285 ppm. Since 1960 when accurate annual measurements became more reliable it has increased steadily from about 315 ppm. If the greenhouse effect is working as we think then the Earth’s temperature will rise as the carbon dioxide levels increase.

But here it starts getting messy and, perhaps, a little inconvenient for some. Looking at the global temperatures as used by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the UK’s Met Office and the IPCC (and indeed Al Gore) it’s apparent that there has been a sharp rise since about 1980.

The period 1980-98 was one of rapid warming " a temperature increase of about 0.5 degrees C (CO2 rose from 340ppm to 370ppm). But since then the global temperature has been flat (whilst the CO2 has relentlessly risen from 370ppm to 380ppm). This means that the global temperature today is about 0.3 deg less than it would have been had the rapid increase continued.

For the past decade the world has not warmed. Global warming has stopped. It’s not a viewpoint or a sceptic’s inaccuracy. It’s an observational fact. Clearly the world of the past 30 years is warmer than the previous decades and there is abundant evidence (in the northern hemisphere at least) that the world is responding to those elevated temperatures. But the evidence shows that global warming as such has ceased.

The explanation for the standstill has been attributed to aerosols in the atmosphere produced as a by-product of greenhouse gas emission and volcanic activity. They would have the effect of reflecting some of the incidental sunlight into space thereby reducing the greenhouse effect. Such an explanation was proposed to account for the global cooling observed between 1940 and 1978.

But things cannot be that simple. The fact that the global temperature has remained unchanged for a decade requires that the quantity of reflecting aerosols dumped put in our atmosphere must be increasing year on year at precisely the exact rate needed to offset the accumulating carbon dioxide that wants to drive the temperature higher. This precise balance seems highly unlikely. Other explanations have been proposed such as the ocean cooling effect of the Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation or the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.

But they are also difficult to adjust so that they exactly compensate for the increasing upward temperature drag of rising CO2. So we are led to the conclusion that either the hypothesis of carbon dioxide induced global warming holds but its effects are being modified in what seems to be an improbable though not impossible way, or, and this really is heresy according to some, the working hypothesis does not stand the test of data.

It was a pity that the delegates at Bali didn’t discuss this or that the recent IPCC Synthesis report did not look in more detail at this recent warming standstill. Had it not occurred, or if the flatlining of temperature had occurred just five years earlier we would have no talk of global warming and perhaps, as happened in the 1970’s, we would fear a new Ice Age! Scientists and politicians talk of future projected temperature increases. But if the world has stopped warming what use these projections then?

Some media commentators say that the science of global warming is now beyond doubt and those who advocate alternative approaches or indeed modifications to the carbon dioxide greenhouse warming effect had lost the scientific argument. Not so.

Certainly the working hypothesis of CO2 induced global warming is a good one that stands on good physical principles but let us not pretend our understanding extends too far or that the working hypothesis is a sufficient explanation for what is going on.

I have heard it said, by scientists, journalists and politicians, that the time for argument is over and that further scientific debate only causes delay in action. But the wish to know exactly what is going on is independent of politics and scientists must never bend their desire for knowledge to any political cause, however noble.

The science is fascinating, the ramifications profound, but we are fools if we think we have a sufficient understanding of such a complicated system as the Earth’s atmosphere’s interaction with sunlight to decide. We know far less than many think we do or would like you to think we do. We must explain why global warming has stopped.

David Whitehosue was BBC Science Correspondent 1988"1998, Science Editor BBC News Online 1998"2006 and the 2004 European Internet Journalist of the Year. He has a doctorate in astrophysics and is the author of The Sun: A Biography (John Wiley, 2005).] His website is www.davidwhitehouse.com

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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 01:36 am
Another fine article which I am sure Monterey Jack cannot rebut:



What happened to global warming?

By Paul Hudson
Climate correspondent, BBC News



Average temperatures have not increased for over a decade
This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

So what on Earth is going on?

Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man's influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming.

They argue that there are natural cycles, over which we have no control, that dictate how warm the planet is. But what is the evidence for this?

During the last few decades of the 20th Century, our planet did warm quickly.


Recent research has ruled out solar influences on temperature increases
Sceptics argue that the warming we observed was down to the energy from the Sun increasing. After all 98% of the Earth's warmth comes from the Sun.

But research conducted two years ago, and published by the Royal Society, seemed to rule out solar influences.

The scientists' main approach was simple: to look at solar output and cosmic ray intensity over the last 30-40 years, and compare those trends with the graph for global average surface temperature.

And the results were clear. "Warming in the last 20 to 40 years can't have been caused by solar activity," said Dr Piers Forster from Leeds University, a leading contributor to this year's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

But one solar scientist Piers Corbyn from Weatheraction, a company specialising in long range weather forecasting, disagrees.

He claims that solar charged particles impact us far more than is currently accepted, so much so he says that they are almost entirely responsible for what happens to global temperatures.

He is so excited by what he has discovered that he plans to tell the international scientific community at a conference in London at the end of the month.

If proved correct, this could revolutionise the whole subject.

Ocean cycles

What is really interesting at the moment is what is happening to our oceans. They are the Earth's great heat stores.


In the last few years [the Pacific Ocean] has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down

According to research conducted by Professor Don Easterbrook from Western Washington University last November, the oceans and global temperatures are correlated.

The oceans, he says, have a cycle in which they warm and cool cyclically. The most important one is the Pacific decadal oscillation (PDO).

For much of the 1980s and 1990s, it was in a positive cycle, that means warmer than average. And observations have revealed that global temperatures were warm too.

But in the last few years it has been losing its warmth and has recently started to cool down.

These cycles in the past have lasted for nearly 30 years.

So could global temperatures follow? The global cooling from 1945 to 1977 coincided with one of these cold Pacific cycles.

Professor Easterbrook says: "The PDO cool mode has replaced the warm mode in the Pacific Ocean, virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling."

So what does it all mean? Climate change sceptics argue that this is evidence that they have been right all along.

They say there are so many other natural causes for warming and cooling, that even if man is warming the planet, it is a small part compared with nature.

But those scientists who are equally passionate about man's influence on global warming argue that their science is solid.

The UK Met Office's Hadley Centre, responsible for future climate predictions, says it incorporates solar variation and ocean cycles into its climate models, and that they are nothing new.

In fact, the centre says they are just two of the whole host of known factors that influence global temperatures - all of which are accounted for by its models.

In addition, say Met Office scientists, temperatures have never increased in a straight line, and there will always be periods of slower warming, or even temporary cooling.

What is crucial, they say, is the long-term trend in global temperatures. And that, according to the Met office data, is clearly up.

To confuse the issue even further, last month Mojib Latif, a member of the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) says that we may indeed be in a period of cooling worldwide temperatures that could last another 10-20 years.

Professor Latif is based at the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences at Kiel University in Germany and is one of the world's top climate modellers.

But he makes it clear that he has not become a sceptic; he believes that this cooling will be temporary, before the overwhelming force of man-made global warming reasserts itself.



Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 6 Apr, 2010 07:16 pm
@MASSAGAT,
An excellent article. Funny how the facts are never extreme..only the opinions.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:13 am
If I may, Ionus, I would like to quote from an excellent article from the Wall Street Journal.

"What's the Next Global Warming'?--April 6, 2010

October--The Guardian reported that the scientists at Cambridge had "concluded that the Arctic is now melting at such a rate that it will be largely ice free within ten years". This was supposedly due to global warming...But in March came another report in the Guardian, this time based on the research of Japanese Scientists, that "much of the record breaking loss ofice in the Arctic ocean in recent years is (due) to the region's swiriling winds and is not a direct result of global warming.

"In Britain, environmentalist patron saint James Lovelock now tells the BBC he suspects climate scientists have (fudged) the data" and if the planet is going to be saved, "it will save itself as it always has done"

"In Germany, the leftish Der Spiegel devotes 15 pages to a deliciously detailed account of "scientists who want to be politicians", the "curious inconsistencies" in the temperature record, the "sloppy work" of the UN's climate change panel and sundry other sins of modern climatology"

Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:22 am
@MASSAGAT,
I do admire Monterey Jack for one thing : he shows up to argue. When I first joined this thread there was ican battling against the masses with occassional help from others. Now it is the other way around. It seems Monterey Jack and ican have something in common. Conviction. It is just that ican was right all along.
I think the rats are deserting the sinking Global Warming ship.
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:44 am
@Ionus,
Certainly, Ionus. Monterey is showing himself to be a "true believer." Parados, who was so prolix months ago has vanished. Ican must be given a great deal of credit for sticking to his guns.

But, in some ways, I feel sorry for Monterey Jack. He presents the latest so called scientific study from the global warmists from time to time but he never seems to realize that the global warming mantra is dead.

l. Copenhagen was a miserable failure

2.China and India will not participate in any meaningful way.

3. China has passed us as the lead nation in the production of Co2

4. Our present huge Unemployment Number discourages any Congressman who wishes to be re-elected, from pressing for cap and trade".
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 02:09 am
ican has never been right. He regularly misunderstands basic physics starting with Boyle's Law and going on from there. He is a mathematical illiterate who seems to think every phenomenon in nature can be representted by a linear graph.

And that BBC thing is pure bunk. 1998 was not the warmest year. 2005 was. 2007 and 2009 came within several hundredths of a degree in equalling it. 1998 was anomalous because it was the strongest el Nino year in recorded history. Similarly 2008 was cooler than the recent average because it was a fairly strong la Nina year. The one year dips and peaks in the temp record correspond with Nina/Nino years--they are the largest single WEATHER event on the planet, but they are transient. They don't represent cooling or warming in general--they are redistibutions of the heat already in the planet. the denialist claim that temperatures have been cooling since 1998, or more recently 2001, are flatly not true. Look at ican's graphs. The average has gone up since 1998, or 2001. And look at the year bar on the right for 2009--it's gone back up after Nina ended.

What the PDO claim is is that a cool period means more Ninas and fewer Ninos. So far the claimed swithch to a cool period doesn't seem to have happened. And those who attempt to claim the PDO change was responsible for the temp drop starting in the 40s, rather than the consensus view that it was caused by the massive increase in industrial efflents and aerosols starting in WWII and continuing in the massive growht in industry after, somehow have to account for the awkward fact that their supposed effect, cooling, began seven or eight years before their supposed cause, the PDO change, and ended years before the supposed cause shifted back to a warm period. Weird correlation, that, where the effect precedes its cause.

Here's a reasonably thorough debunking of Easterbrook
http://chriscolose.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/easterbrook-and-the-coming-global-cooling/
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 02:14 am
@MASSAGAT,
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l. Copenhagen was a miserable failure

2.China and India will not participate in any meaningful way.

3. China has passed us as the lead nation in the production of Co2

4. Our present huge Unemployment Number discourages any Congressman who wishes to be re-elected, from pressing for cap and trade".

And we have a huge debt to pay off here too. We borrowed heavily to avoid the recession and anyone who prevents payments or makes the debt worse will be looking in the job ads.
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 02:16 am
@MontereyJack,
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ican has never been right.
He was right that Global Warming was a hoax and a conspiracy. You werent right were you ?
MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 03:01 am
@Ionus,
I am disappointed in Monterey Jack. Ionus praised him for his determination but it appears that MJ is a sore loser and quite ungracious!
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 09:10 am
Since global warming is neither a hoax nor a conspiracy, ican has not been right there either. Nor have you, Massagato. The science remains. It's happening.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:10 pm
ionus says:
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Global Warming was a hoax and a conspiracy

Tell that to the 86 degree day today in Boston in early April.
(yeah, yeah, I know it's weather, not climate.... too bad so many of you guys don't know the difference)
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 01:16 pm
re, ionus, that's 30 degrees for you guys who use a rational temperature scale.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 03:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
The climate on this planet is constantly changing and there is no disputing that fact.
Entire oceans have come and gone, lush forest have been petrified, rain forest
have become deserts land covered with green has become land covered with ice.

Human beings didn't have anything to do with these changes and humans don't have
anything to do with the climate changes we experience today or in the future - none.
All humans can do is adapt, overcome and survive - we can't influence the climate.

Man made climate change is a hoax.
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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 09:16 pm
@MontereyJack,
Sure,
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RICHARD S. LINDZEN
Is there a reason to be alarmed by the prospect of global warming? Consider that the measurement used, the globally averaged temperature anomaly (GATA), is always changing. Sometimes it goes up, sometimes down, and occasionally"such as for the last dozen years or so"it does little that can be discerned.

Claims that climate change is accelerating are bizarre. There is general support for the assertion that GATA has increased about 1.5 degrees Fahrenheit since the middle of the 19th century. The quality of the data is poor, though, and because the changes are small, it is easy to nudge such data a few tenths of a degree in any direction. Several of the emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) that have caused such a public ruckus dealt with how to do this so as to maximize apparent changes.

The general support for warming is based not so much on the quality of the data, but rather on the fact that there was a little ice age from about the 15th to the 19th century. Thus it is not surprising that temperatures should increase as we emerged from this episode. At the same time that we were emerging from the little ice age, the industrial era began, and this was accompanied by increasing emissions of greenhouse gases such as CO2, methane and nitrous oxide. CO2 is the most prominent of these, and it is again generally accepted that it has increased by about 30%.

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.The defining characteristic of a greenhouse gas is that it is relatively transparent to visible light from the sun but can absorb portions of thermal radiation. In general, the earth balances the incoming solar radiation by emitting thermal radiation, and the presence of greenhouse substances inhibits cooling by thermal radiation and leads to some warming.

That said, the main greenhouse substances in the earth's atmosphere are water vapor and high clouds. Let's refer to these as major greenhouse substances to distinguish them from the anthropogenic minor substances. Even a doubling of CO2 would only upset the original balance between incoming and outgoing radiation by about 2%. This is essentially what is called "climate forcing."

There is general agreement on the above findings. At this point there is no basis for alarm regardless of whether any relation between the observed warming and the observed increase in minor greenhouse gases can be established. Nevertheless, the most publicized claims of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) deal exactly with whether any relation can be discerned. The failure of the attempts to link the two over the past 20 years bespeaks the weakness of any case for concern.

The IPCC's Scientific Assessments generally consist of about 1,000 pages of text. The Summary for Policymakers is 20 pages. It is, of course, impossible to accurately summarize the 1,000-page assessment in just 20 pages; at the very least, nuances and caveats have to be omitted. However, it has been my experience that even the summary is hardly ever looked at. Rather, the whole report tends to be characterized by a single iconic claim.

The main statement publicized after the last IPCC Scientific Assessment two years ago was that it was likely that most of the warming since 1957 (a point of anomalous cold) was due to man. This claim was based on the weak argument that the current models used by the IPCC couldn't reproduce the warming from about 1978 to 1998 without some forcing, and that the only forcing that they could think of was man. Even this argument assumes that these models adequately deal with natural internal variability"that is, such naturally occurring cycles as El Nino, the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation, etc.

Yet articles from major modeling centers acknowledged that the failure of these models to anticipate the absence of warming for the past dozen years was due to the failure of these models to account for this natural internal variability. Thus even the basis for the weak IPCC argument for anthropogenic climate change was shown to be false.

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.Of course, none of the articles stressed this. Rather they emphasized that according to models modified to account for the natural internal variability, warming would resume"in 2009, 2013 and 2030, respectively.


But even if the IPCC's iconic statement were correct, it still would not be cause for alarm. After all we are still talking about tenths of a degree for over 75% of the climate forcing associated with a doubling of CO2. The potential (and only the potential) for alarm enters with the issue of climate sensitivity"which refers to the change that a doubling of CO2 will produce in GATA. It is generally accepted that a doubling of CO2 will only produce a change of about two degrees Fahrenheit if all else is held constant. This is unlikely to be much to worry about.

Yet current climate models predict much higher sensitivities. They do so because in these models, the main greenhouse substances (water vapor and clouds) act to amplify anything that CO2 does. This is referred to as positive feedback. But as the IPCC notes, clouds continue to be a source of major uncertainty in current models. Since clouds and water vapor are intimately related, the IPCC claim that they are more confident about water vapor is quite implausible.

There is some evidence of a positive feedback effect for water vapor in cloud-free regions, but a major part of any water-vapor feedback would have to acknowledge that cloud-free areas are always changing, and this remains an unknown. At this point, few scientists would argue that the science is settled. In particular, the question remains as to whether water vapor and clouds have positive or negative feedbacks.

The notion that the earth's climate is dominated by positive feedbacks is intuitively implausible, and the history of the earth's climate offers some guidance on this matter. About 2.5 billion years ago, the sun was 20%-30% less bright than now (compare this with the 2% perturbation that a doubling of CO2 would produce), and yet the evidence is that the oceans were unfrozen at the time, and that temperatures might not have been very different from today's. Carl Sagan in the 1970s referred to this as the "Early Faint Sun Paradox."

For more than 30 years there have been attempts to resolve the paradox with greenhouse gases. Some have suggested CO2"but the amount needed was thousands of times greater than present levels and incompatible with geological evidence. Methane also proved unlikely. It turns out that increased thin cirrus cloud coverage in the tropics readily resolves the paradox"but only if the clouds constitute a negative feedback. In present terms this means that they would diminish rather than enhance the impact of CO2.

There are quite a few papers in the literature that also point to the absence of positive feedbacks. The implied low sensitivity is entirely compatible with the small warming that has been observed. So how do models with high sensitivity manage to simulate the currently small response to a forcing that is almost as large as a doubling of CO2? Jeff Kiehl notes in a 2007 article from the National Center for Atmospheric Research, the models use another quantity that the IPCC lists as poorly known (namely aerosols) to arbitrarily cancel as much greenhouse warming as needed to match the data, with each model choosing a different degree of cancellation according to the sensitivity of that model.

What does all this have to do with climate catastrophe? The answer brings us to a scandal that is, in my opinion, considerably greater than that implied in the hacked emails from the Climate Research Unit (though perhaps not as bad as their destruction of raw data): namely the suggestion that the very existence of warming or of the greenhouse effect is tantamount to catastrophe. This is the grossest of "bait and switch" scams. It is only such a scam that lends importance to the machinations in the emails designed to nudge temperatures a few tenths of a degree.

The notion that complex climate "catastrophes" are simply a matter of the response of a single number, GATA, to a single forcing, CO2 (or solar forcing for that matter), represents a gigantic step backward in the science of climate. Many disasters associated with warming are simply normal occurrences whose existence is falsely claimed to be evidence of warming. And all these examples involve phenomena that are dependent on the confluence of many factors.

Our perceptions of nature are similarly dragged back centuries so that the normal occasional occurrences of open water in summer over the North Pole, droughts, floods, hurricanes, sea-level variations, etc. are all taken as omens, portending doom due to our sinful ways (as epitomized by our carbon footprint). All of these phenomena depend on the confluence of multiple factors as well.

Consider the following example. Suppose that I leave a box on the floor, and my wife trips on it, falling against my son, who is carrying a carton of eggs, which then fall and break. Our present approach to emissions would be analogous to deciding that the best way to prevent the breakage of eggs would be to outlaw leaving boxes on the floor. The chief difference is that in the case of atmospheric CO2 and climate catastrophe, the chain of inference is longer and less plausible than in my example.

Mr. Lindzen is professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.


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MASSAGAT
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 09:28 pm
Monterey Jack is suffering under the delusion that "his science" is settled. It is not and the events in the world show it is not.

l. Copenhagen was a disaster. There was NO agreement coming from Copenhagen

2. The Chinese and India definitely do not believe that "the science is settled"

3. "cap and trade" is not going to be passed this year. IF THE WORLD IS ENDING, AS MONTEREY JACK SAYS, why would Obama let this happen?

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You lost, Monterey Jack. Don't be a sore loser!!!
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 7 Apr, 2010 11:49 pm
@MASSAGAT,
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The Chinese and India definitely do not believe that "the science is settled"
Yes, but they can always claim that these countries dont have scientists. Has China and India published ANYTHING on shredding data, tricks with data, how to write a threatening email, how to avoid a scandal just before an election....ANYTHING relating to Global Warming Thuggery ? And they have the gall to call themselves scientists...pphhhhbbbbttttt !!
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 8 Apr, 2010 06:52 am
2 glaciers gone from Glacier park. The rest expected to be gone by 2030.
 

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