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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
genoves
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 12:53 am
I do hope that Parados will be writing on this thread when the Global conference convenes in December 2009. When it is clearly shown that China and India will not go along with the insane left wing approach to the so called climate problem presented by BO, it will be a clear message to Parados that most countries care more for the well being of their populations and their economies than the Socialist theorists in the USA.

There will, of course, be a reaction in the US when our industries continue to be dismantled, unemployment continues to rise, and, it becomes known that China and India will do very little( except some meaningless cosmetic changes) to battle the dreaded dragon of Co2.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 06:52 am
@Foxfyre,
Aren't you the sweetest person on A2K, Fox? All worried about whether I have friends or not. Someone as nice and caring as you, I would think would be more than happy to be my only friend and let me natter about minutiae. Are you going to be mean and say you won't be my only friend?




By the way -
Science isn't very exact if you aren't willing to natter over the minutiae.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 06:54 am
@genoves,
Quote:
I do hope that Parados will be writing on this thread when the Global conference convenes in December 2009.

I'm sure I will be here. Which of your many names will you be using at that time, Possum?
parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 06:59 am
@genoves,
Walter didn't have to reply because I pointed out the error in it.

.117% assumes that man contributed only 3.2% of the CO2 in the atmosphere.

Since 1850 man has produced enough CO2 to double the ppm. Since 1850 CO2 has gone up 50%. So man has produced twice the amount of CO2 that the atmosphere has increased. Prior to 1850, the CO2 in the atmosphere was fairly stable and hadn't increased for thousands of years. It wasn't until man started producing large quantities of CO2 that the atmospheric CO2 increased.

Maybe POSSUM genoves can tell us where the rest of that man made CO2 went if he want's to stand by the claim that only 3.2% of the current atmospheric CO2 is going to be attributed to man.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 01:08 pm
@parados,
Thanks, Parados, but since I posted a link to my source please take it up with the Wall Street Journal directly. The point is a simple one (btw, you're trained in mathematical modeling, right?) it is that it doesn't matter whether any anthropogenic component of CO2 is 0.1% or 1% or whatever minute amount - it's STILL overwhelmed by water vapor, first and foremost, and by other "greenhouse gases" such as methane generated by plants, animals, and so on, over which we have NO control.

This is a VERY highly nonlinear system we're looking at, remember, so all these tiny numbers get lost in the error term - that little epsilon at the end - for prediction purposes. It's sad I should have to point this out to a fellow quant, but others here may not realize it so I'm writing it out in detail.

As to Walter - he probably went out to the party celebrating the birthday of Alexander von Humboldt and hasn't come back yet:

Quote:
Humboldt gave mankind the rudiments of a science that can now, it its developed form, help people to make informed policy decisions about the future of the Earth that so fascinated him. In the run-up to the Copenhagen summit in December, when the world’s power brokers will attempt to strike a deal to replace the Kyoto protocol on climate change, the least politicians can do in acknowledgment is to take science seriously.

http://www.economist.com/daily/columns/greenview/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13638899
parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 03:03 pm
@High Seas,
I see High Seas. Doesn't it matter to you whether your sources are accurate?
The WSJ got it's numbers wrong and you don't seem to care. Now you present other numbers that appear just as wrong.

I am curious how you do mathematical modeling if you start with numbers that are off by a factor of 10 or more.
High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 03:22 pm
@parados,
Sorry for confusing you, Parados, I thought you
1. understood nonlinear systems, and,
2. grasped the difference between 0.1%, 1% and 10%, not to mention,
3. could actually look up a link and discover the source.

I was clearly mistaken in all (3) above, and regret taking up your time.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 04:57 pm
@High Seas,
LOL.. I did read your link High Seas. It was a LETTER to the WSJ. I am not sure if you realized that. I did which is why I tracked down where the letter writer was getting HIS numbers from. I then pointed out the error in those numbers that were off by a large factor. The numbers were not off by only 10% They weren't even off by only 100%.

You however didn't care if the numbers were right, wrong or completely idiotic. You seem to think because it was posted in the WSJ it had validity. It had no validity, which I pointed out.

If your version of nonlinear equations are calculated based on letters to the WSJ, then I don't think I am the one that has problems with those equations High Seas.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 06:28 pm
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

As of December 20, 2007, over 400 prominent scientists--not a minority of those scientists who have published their views on global warming--from more than two dozen countries have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the alleged UN IPCC "consensus" on man-made global warming.

Quote:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report
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Senior Meteorologist Peter McGurk, with WSI Corporation, a provider of weather-driven business solutions to such clients as CNN, FOX, NBC, American Airlines, Delta, and FedEX, and formerly a Senior International Meteorologist for the former Weather Services Corporation, dismissed fears of "a global Armageddon in the making." After analyzing temperature data for U.S. states, McGurk, who holds a Master of Science degree in Geophysics from the University of Chicago, explained in a June 29, 2007 report, "As far as extreme maxes are concerned, not only is the overall average greater during the first half of the last century, but 2/3 of the monthly averages are also greater during the period 1900-1949. Only for the months of March, June, October and December were they warmer during the period 1950-1999." McGurk concluded, "I suspect that if we were truly headed for a Global Meltdown, that this data would vastly different than it is currently. Namely, we would be seeing many more record state maxes occurring more frequently during the recent past that the distant past. Additionally, we should not be seeing more state record extreme mins set during the second half of the past century." He added, "For 3 out of the four seasons there were more record maxes during the first half of the last century and more record mins during the second half of the 1900s. From an extreme state monthly record perspective, hardly a global Armageddon in the making." (LINK) & (LINK) " I don't feel that climate modeling is advanced enough to tell us with any degree of certainty what our planet's climate will be like one to three centuries from now. While I agree that there may have been some slight global warming during the past 150 years, there is still plenty of scientific debate as to what factors are responsible. Certainly the human race does influence the climate here on Earth, but we cannot say with any certainty to what extent this influence is when compared to other natural cycles of climate variability," McGurk wrote in a May 18 e-mail to EPW.

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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 02:20 am
@parados,
Well, if you will be here when the Global Conference on climate takes place, your abysmal ignorance and lack of knowledge about Economics and Politics will be revealed.

You are so idiotic that you do not understand that decisions that will be made at that conference will be decisions which will be based on the economy of the countries at the conference and the politics of the individual nations.

Try finding some errors in this, Paradox---

quote:

MAY 12, 2009 Carbon Reality, Again
Australia's prime minister discovers how much an emissions trading policy will cost.Article

It's turning out that the biggest problem with carbon taxes is political reality. Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has just announced he will delay implementing his trademark cap-and-trade emissions trading proposal until at least 2011. Mr. Rudd's March proposal would have imposed total carbon permit costs (taxes) of 11.5 billion Australian dollars (US$8.5 billion) in the first two years, starting in 2010. This would have increased consumer prices by about 1.1% and shaved 0.1% off annual GDP growth until at least 2050, according to Australia's Treasury. Support has fallen among business groups and individuals who earlier professed enthusiasm for Aussie cap and trade. Green gains were negligible; Australia accounts for only 1.5% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

The reversal, or "backflip," has caused Mr. Rudd much embarrassment. He may still push ahead with legislation in some form, as he promised when running in the 2007 election. But it's becoming clear the proposal won't be a shoo-in despite all the votes Mr. Rudd won when he campaigned as an anti-carbon apostle.

This is yet another example of politicians elsewhere cashing in politically on the current anti-carbon enthusiasm, only to discover that support diminishes as the real-world costs become clear.


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You obviously know NOTHING about Economics and Politics. Even Rudd, who was a fanatical backer of the Global Warming Theories of AL GORE, is backing off based on the reality of the ECONOMIC COST AND THE SUBSEQUENT POLITICAL DAMAGE THAT COST WOULD INCUR.

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Because you are a liar and an obfuscator, you never ever mention the fact that previous attempts to "control" the climate by the countries of the world were miserable failures. You never reference the failed Kyoto Treaty.

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Kyoto's failures haunt new U.N. talks - The work of fixing the treaty's flaws begins today in Indonesia.
By Alan Zarembo
December 03, 2007


In the Kyoto Protocol's accounting of greenhouse gases, the former Eastern bloc is a smashing success.

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Romania: A 43% reduction.

Latvia: A resounding 60% drop.

Reductions such as those across Eastern Europe were the main reason the United Nations was recently able to report a 12% drop in emissions from the accord's industrialized countries over the 1990-2005 period.

It was an illusion.

The progress wasn't due to a global embrace of green power, but rather to the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, which shut down smoke-belching factories across the region.

"Their emissions dropped before Kyoto even existed," said Michael Gillenwater, a climate policy researcher at Princeton University.

Despite the 1997 Kyoto Protocol's status as the flagship of the fight against climate change, it has been a failure in the hard, expensive work of actually reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

Its restrictions have been so gerrymandered that only 36 countries are required to limit their pollution. Just over a third of those -- members of the former Eastern bloc -- can pollute at will because their limits were set so far above their actual emissions.

China and India, whose fast-rising emissions easily cancel out any cuts elsewhere, are allowed to keep polluting.

The panel, laid out a framework for reducing emissions that could cost trillions of dollars over the next two decades.

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By December, the Unemployment Rate in the USA will be over 10%, a Rate offered to the American People by the Messiah--OB.

Since you know nothing about Politics or Economics, you do not realize that the Congress will not pass any legislation which will threaten to raise the Unemployment Rate OR to weaken our economy and bring on inflation.

Are you really that stupid, Paradox?



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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 08:32 am
And to brighten the day for the AGW religionists:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/holb090512_cmyk20090511093917.jpg
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 08:44 am
@Foxfyre,
My GOD Fox..

Don't you realize that it will destroy the US if the cost of energy goes up? Or did you forget that's what you have been arguing?
High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 11:32 am
@Foxfyre,
That's funny, Foxfyre, thanks. Sorry about Parados, btw - he seems to have lost the capability for coherent thought.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 12:38 pm
@High Seas,
Perhaps you can provide number then High Seas that you think are accurate.
A letter to the editor of the WSJ doesn't really count as science in my book. I realize you live in a different world.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 12:48 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Gamble_T2009051220090511071306.jpg
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 02:00 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre, it's that polar bear's own damn fault! Too much polar bear anal gas is causing artic ice to melt. That polar bear has to go on a diet.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 02:05 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

My GOD Fox..

Don't you realize that it will destroy the US if the cost of energy goes up? Or did you forget that's what you have been arguing?

Since you apparently do not think it hurts anyone, why not make the price $10 per gallon? Why not, Parados? And why do libs complain about oil companies making a profit if it makes no difference?
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 02:35 pm
@okie,
When have libs complained that oil companies should not make a profit?
okie
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 09:59 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

When have libs complained that oil companies should not make a profit?

When have they not? Earth to Parados! Face it, oil companies are the favorite whipping boys of libs. Oil companies are evil and greedy, haven't you heard, Parados? Every time you turn around, the Dems are wanting to investigate high oil prices. And Maxine Waters wants to nationalize the oil companies. I would not be surprised if Obama would agree. After all, Hugo Chavez serves as a fine example, right?

genoves
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 12:22 am
@okie,
Okie- You must remember than people like Parados has selective memories. They refuse to remember or reference anything that will in any way obstruct the drive for Socialism by BO.

There are three areas in which BO will TRY to bring the USA to Socialism.

l. Health Care- ANYONE, ANYONE who can read and references stories about Canada or England's SOCIALIZED Health Systems knows that although most major illnesses are taken care of fairly well, both nations are staggering under the cost AND, if you are so unfortunate to NEED an elective procedure done, like the replacement of a knee or hip, in both Canada and the UK, you can howl in pain during the one or two years of waiting in line.

2. The CONTROL of climate--BO will try to put in cap and trade. When he and his Chicago Ghetto crew go to the global meeting in December regarding global climate, BO will discover that countries like China and India will make only cosmetic changes. We, on the other hand, with a Socialist as president, will make changes that will assure that we fall far being China as the world's leading economy.

3. AND THE FUNNIEST OF THEM ALL--Obama's ridiculous notion about College for all--paid by the taxpayers, of course.
BO should know that NOT EVERYONE SHOULD GO TO COLLEGE. Here I am not writing about trade school or an advanced High School which is about the most many minorities can handle, but real University Learning.

Most authorities will tell you that one reequires an IQ of at minimum 120 to handle real University work.

Even BO knows how many people will be eligible to go to advanced learning if that stricture is followed.

BO, I am convinced, is nothing more than a high class flim-flam man!
 

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