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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 Mar, 2009 08:38 pm
@okie,
Your graph shows temperature has NOT decreased while the TSI decreased. There must be something acting on temperature to counteract the decrease in TSI. When TSI increases over the next 5 years we will see an increase in temperature. I am willing to bet $10,000 on it. ican refused to take me up on it. How about you okie? Care to put up some money?

Your chart also doesn't include the last 3 months which would start to show an increase in the trend.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 19 Mar, 2009 08:38 pm
@ican711nm,
AND JUST SO YOU WON'T FORGET A PRIOR POST OF MINE ON THIS TOPIC, HERE IT IS AGAIN:

Will the decline in SI from 1366.67 in 2000 to 1365.60 in 2008 continue?

Will the decline in AAGT from 287.542 in 2005 to 287.384 in 2008 continue?

Meanwhile CAD has increased steadily from 352.16 in 1988 to 386.33 in 2008.


ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
http://biocab.org/Solar_Irradiance_is_Actually_Increasing.html
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/ann/global.html
YEAR . CAD /\ only SI /\ & \/ A-AAGT /\ & \/ AAGT /\ & \/

1988 352.16 1366.09 0.180 287.240
1989 353.56 1366.66 0.103 287.163 LOWEST TEMP
1990 355.15 1366.56 0.254 287.314
1991 355.91 1366.45 0.212 287.272
1992 356.27 1366.31 0.061 287.121
1993 357.59 1366.04 0.105 287.165
1994 359.65 1365.81 0.171 287.231
1995 361.29 1365.71 0.275 287.335
1996 362.78 1365.62 0.137 287.197
1997 364.89 1365.62 0.351 287.411
1998 367.61 1365.75 0.546 287.606 HIGHEST TEMP
1999 368.59 1366.11 0.296 287.356
2000 370.33 1366.67 0.270 287.330
2001 371.83 1366.40 0.409 287.469
2002 374.45 1366.37 0.464 287.524
2003 376.71 1366.07 0.473 287.533
2004 378.31 1365.91 0.447 287.507
2005 380.87 1365.81 0.482 287.542
2006 382.64 1365.72 0.422 287.482 DECLINING TEMP
2007 384.64 1365.66 0.405 287.465 DECLINING TEMP
2008 386.33 1365.60 0.324 287.384 DECLINING TEMP
CAGT = CENTURY AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMERATURE,1901-2000, in °K
AAGT= ANNUAL AVERAGE GLOBALTEMPERATURE in °K
A-AAGT = ANOMALIES of AAGT = AAGT - CAGT in °K
SI = SOLAR IRRADIANCE in W/M^2
CAD = CO2 ATMOSPHERIC DENSITY in PPM
parados
 
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Reply Thu 19 Mar, 2009 08:40 pm
@ican711nm,
You are still using false data ican.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 19 Mar, 2009 09:00 pm
@parados,
Still waiting on your explanation of your bogus graph, Parados, oh well, have a good evening. By the way, much to your consternation, the climate has plateaued out over the last few years, no distinctive trend up or down. Its stalled, Parados. Disappointments are a part of life.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 12:32 am
To repeat, temperature has not plateaued. NASA data show 2005 was the warmest year since accurate records have been kept starting in the late 19th century (that's what "on record"means, fox). It was warmer than 1998, the previous record holder, which was ANOMALOUS because it was the strongest el Nino year on record. 2007 was on track to beat that until la Nina developed late in the year. 2008 was the rest of the la Nina, so it was coolerthan average. La Nina is WEATHER. It ends, the temperature goes back up. A sharp peak or a sharp dip in the temperature graph is indicative of a WEATHER EFFECT. It's transitory. Control for the ENSO variation and the temperature is rising.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 12:51 am
And according to NOAA, 7 of the 8 warmest years on record have occurred since 2001, which is what they said during 2008. Since 2008 ended, they've said it was the coolest since 2001 due to a fairly strong la Nina (but it was still marginally warmer than 2001)which therefore should mean that 8 of the 9 warmest years on record have occurred since 2001. The other warmest year was 1998, due to the very strong el Nino that year. Not much of a plateau.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html#q3
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 12:54 am
You might want to delete the #q3 at theend of my cite. You might learn a little about the actual science.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 01:03 am
And since ican persists in reposting the same crap:
NO, SI will not continue the so-called "decline", since that was the declining part of the 11 year solar cycle, which ended in 2008. SI will now go back up, in the same cycle it's done for thousands of years.

NO, temp will not decline. The decline was due to WEATHER, i.e. the la Nina phemomenon in the southern Pacific. With the end of la Nina, the temp will go back up.

Ican's data table shows that temp has gone up while SI has gone down, from 1988 to 2008. Therefore, using his own method of analysis, SI cannot be responsible for rising temperature.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 07:45 am
@okie,
You must have missed it okie..

http://able2know.org/topic/44061-639#post-3604129

The link in my post will give you all the math you need to understand it.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 11:01 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

You must have missed it okie..

http://able2know.org/topic/44061-639#post-3604129

The link in my post will give you all the math you need to understand it.


Sorry, I did not study Least Squares and Regression Analysis, and so forth, you are going to have to return to something more understandable, and I suspect more understandable for you as well. If you understand it, I challenge you to explain it in laymans terms.

I am going to post your graph, and another graph that I previously posted, and give you what I suspect is the difference. I suspect the difference is the time frame, or number of years averaged or considered, upon which the trend line is derived, yours being 120 months or 10 years, mine being since 2001, which would be about 8 years. I think the difference would therefore be akin to the number of years of data considered by the math. Yours shows an upward trend, mine, just as valid, shows a flat line or a slightly cooling trend. So my conclusion is, yes, if you consider the last 10 years, the higher temperatures are going to be the last five, so the line is inclined upward, sure, it is slightly warmer the last 5 years as a whole and could be projected upward based upon your chosen mathematical methodology, but if you consider the last eight years with another chosen methodology, just as valid, climate is flat, Parados, because the last 4 are no warmer than the first 4.

And to Monterey Jack, climate change has been flat over the last few years, since about 2001, and 1998, although anomalous, is still the year most people consider the warmest. I have seen 2005 as given that status, but I think it depends upon which source and which set of readings or part of the atmosphere is considered. And I think it is interesting, the Central England temps, an area for which we have one of the longest periods of temperature monitorings, the trend has been cooler in 07 and 08, continuing into 09. Whether or not you show temperatures rising depends upon which methodology of charting you choose, but it is a subjective choice, thats all. If the temperatures cool over the next 10 years, you could still show them rising if you grouped the years in large enough mathematical sampling for your charting purposes. I choose not to do that, and I think most people choose not to do that, and even the IPCC chairman has admitted things have plateaued out. That does not mean temps could not rise again, but for now, you can project all you want, but until the monitoring stations provide the numbers, you don't know.
http://digitaldiatribes.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/giss120raw1008.jpg?w=462&h=306
http://digitaldiatribes.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gisscooling0209.jpg?w=533&h=350
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 04:09 pm
@okie,
You want me to explain calculus in layman's terms? That is something I don't think anyone can do for you okie. It took me 2 semesters in college to understand it. But you don't have to understand calculus to graph using the least squares. Excel will do it for you as will Open Office and most other graphing software.

8 years is a worse number to use than 10 because the 8 years you chose are in the declining part of the solar cycle. What is interesting is even though the solar radiation has decreased in those 8 years, the temperature has not. The selective choice of 8 years in a declining solar cycle was your selective choosing okie, not mine. Don't accuse others of cherry picking when it is you that did so while purposely ignoring facts that clearly will affect your choice.

Least squares removes the grouping problem you are whining about okie.
1998 is NOT the year that "MOST PEOPLE" think is the warmest. It is the year that HADCRUT3 thinks is the warmest but not the one that GISS thinks. So only half the major scientific data thinks it is the warmest.
okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 04:52 pm
@parados,
I minored in math and took calculus in college as well, parados, as well as analytical geometry, trigonometry, etc, but it was 40 years ago, so give me a break. And as you admit, it depends upon which years you select, and you have to cherry pick to get the numbers to cooperate with your conclusion. You can talk about solar cycles all you want, but we don't actually know exactly how directly all of these factors affect things, to what extent, do we? Nor do we know for sure if the effects are immediate. At least you admit half of the people think 98 is warmest, call it a virtual tossup, it doesn't matter.

After looking at your graph, when you simplify the obfiscation of the math, all it really shows is the preponderance of higher temperatures are on the last five years of the last 10, so the line inclinces upward. Big deal, the line goes flat if you use 8 years. Your methodology is far from convincing.

Bottom line, you guys are in a tizzy over a fraction of a degree, and you cannot demonstrate what the cause is, with scientists agreeing, not even close. The jury is way out there, not even close to determining what is going on, and I am not convinced the temperature gathering and methodology have not even been corrupted to begin with.

The more I look at the following graph, the better I like it: Flat for the past 8 years, parados, don't you love it? And the lowest point was in 2007 or 08.

http://digitaldiatribes.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/gisscooling0209.jpg?w=533&h=350
parados
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 05:34 pm
@okie,
I don't have to cherry pick anything. Select 2 years at random out of the last 100. 98 times out of 100 you will probably see an increase in temperature over that time frame.

I didn't admit that half the people think 98 is the warmest. I said half the major scientific literature says that. That doesn't say anything about the people.

Quote:
After looking at your graph, when you simplify the obfiscation of the math, all it really shows is the preponderance of higher temperatures are on the last five years of the last 10, so the line inclinces upward.
Interesting since the graph starts in 1998 and you think the right hand inclines upward. Can you explain it okie?

As for the 8 year period. .. The lowest point coincides with the lowest point of the solar cycle. Interesting, isn't it? What do you think will happen when the solar cycle gets to the upper part of its cycle?

So.. during a DECREASE in solar radiation the temperature does not drop. What will happen during an INCREASE in solar radiation? I think it is highly likely that the temperature will go up, don't you?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 09:18 pm
okie, I think the reason you can't find any quote of the chairman of the IPCC saying temps have plateaued is that HE DIDN'T SAY IT.

When this was first mentioned, last fall some time, I spent some time trying o track it down. As I remember, there was a woman in the denialist camp who maintained, I believe at a conference somewhere, that new research that came out in the last six months (at that time) said that temps were flat, and she challlenged thim to react. What he said was that all research should be considered and evaluated. That's all.

In none of the several reports I saw were there actual names of the researchers who supposedly came up with this analysis, nor were there publications cited or numbers given. If this research actually exists, people have been remarkably quiet about it, and it must be close to a year now since it's supposedlyt been out. If it exists, I'm sure the denying community would have been all over it, and they aren't. So I for one think you should provide an actual So as a research paper that supports the hypothesis. That does not mean some denialist blog that says it at third hand., I really think you should drop the whole IPCC chairman bit unless you can come up with something he actually said, which I don't believe exists.. It certainly doesn't gibe with anything he's said since and continues to say.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:38 pm
The soon-to-be-released new IPCC report should be an interesting read. Over the last months, Ican has been patiently posting the comments of 400 well credentialed scientists who once promoted a theory of anthropogenic global warming but have sense recanted those views and are now among the ranks of the skeptics.

And the scientific opinion now is all over the map while the leftwing media that has been such a strong advocate for the AGW theorists isn't quite ready yet to eat any crow:

Quote:
By Noel Sheppard
December 11, 2006 - 11:15 ET

The UK Telegraph reported Sunday that the United Nations will significantly reduce its global warming assessment in a document set to be published in February (emphasis mine):

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent. [……]
The panel, however, has lowered predictions of how much sea levels will rise in comparison with its last report in 2001.
http://newsbusters.org/node/9585



Quote:
Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:22AM GMT 11 Dec 2006

Mankind has had less effect on global warming than previously supposed, a United Nations report on climate change will claim next year.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent.

In a final draft of its fourth assessment report, to be published in February, the panel reports that the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has accelerated in the past five years. It also predicts that temperatures will rise by up to 4.5 C during the next 100 years, bringing more frequent heat waves and storms.

The panel, however, has lowered predictions of how much sea levels will rise in comparison with its last report in 2001.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1536454/UN-downgrades-mans-impact-on-the-climate.html


Quote:
Media Fired Up About U.N. Global Warming Report
News reports eagerly promote global warming, predict catastrophe and selectively silence climate experts.
By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
2/7/2007 12:40:10 PM

As Manhattan enjoyed an unseasonable 72-degree winter day on January 6, news media quickly claimed that the weather inspired fears of “the end of the world.” But as the thermometer dipped into extreme cold, the rhetoric of human-caused global warming has not cooled off.

“Do people here [South Beach, Fla.] know that very likely in the next "" well several decades "" all of this is going to be underwater?” asked CBS “Early Show” anchor Harry Smith during an interview with author Carl Hiaasen. Smith injected the topic of global warming into his interview about the appeal of Miami on February 1.

ABC flashed an onscreen graphic that read “Will Billions Die from Global Warming?”

When the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released a summary of its upcoming report on February 2, the media supplied catastrophic predictions. But they left out two key elements: experts who questioned the report and U.N. predictions that were actually downgraded from earlier warnings.

NBC anchor Brian Williams treated the report as above reproach when he said on “Nightly News,” “Climate change is increasingly a political issue. But today’’s report is all about science.”

But as the Business & Media Institute reported in the study Fire and Ice, the media have frequently hyped the threat of climate catastrophe "" alternating global cooling and global warming "" throughout the past 100 years. Each of those reports was “all about science,” too.

Coverage of the U.N. report gave no explanation of who writes the summary that was released on February 2. “The Summary for Policymakers is designed to be a propaganda document that will promote global warming alarmism,” said the Competitive Enterprise Institute’’s Myron Ebell. “It is not written by the scientists who wrote the report, but by the governments that belong to the IPCC.”

See No Debate, Speak No Debate

Media reports following the IPCC release could be summed up like this: “The earth is warming, it’’s mankind’’s fault, and no one can question it.”

During Sam Champion’s January 31 ABC segment, he stated that the IPCC report would conclude with 99 percent certainty that global warming is caused by mankind’s fossil fuel pollution.

But the actual report, released on February 2, “confirmed they’re 90 percent certain manmade greenhouse gas emissions are causing alarming rates of global warming,” according to correspondent Dawna Friesen of NBC “Nightly News.”

Unlike the IPCC scientists, the media must have been 100 percent certain, because stories about the IPCC report on February 2 ABC, NBC and CBS broadcasts included no other point of view.

“The top climate experts from all around the world, speaking with one voice, issued a blunt and bleak assessment today on global warning. There was no ambiguity in their words,” said ABC’’s Charles Gibson during “World News.”

Experts who disagreed with the IPCC were nowhere to be found in those February 2 network stories.

But there are many experts who disagree, including climatologist Dr. Timothy Ball, who stated in a February 5 article that “Global warming, as we think we know it, doesn’’t exist.” Ball earned his Ph.D. in climatology from the University of London and taught the science at the University of Winnipeg.

In his article, Ball also said that global warming is not caused by human carbon dioxide emissions, calling it “the greatest deception in the history of science.” He then cited the global cooling consensus from 30 years ago and said “global temperature trends now indicate a cooling” to come.

Another scientist, astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shariv, once said that human carbon dioxide emissions were causing global warming, but has since recanted and now blames solar activity. Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov agrees because he has seen evidence on another planet.

“Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the participation of Martians,” Abdussamatov told Canada’’s National Post.

Convenient Fact Selection

Also conspicuously absent from the post-IPCC report stories on the networks was the mention of a significant revision to U.N. predictions of sea level rise. According to The Wall Street Journal, in 2001 the U.N. was predicting a high-end sea level rise of three feet by 2100, but the new report leaves high-end estimates at 17 inches "" a 52.7-percent decrease.
“[W]hat’s not new in today’s IPCC report "" that humans are warming the planet "" will be treated as big news, while what is new "" that sea levels are not likely to rise as much as previously predicted "" will be ignored, at least by everyone except the extremist fringe,” predicted climatologist Patrick J. Michaels on February 2.

Michaels was correct. ABC’s Bill Blakemore left out the revision of U.N. predictions in a segment about that very topic: rising sea levels. “World News” anchor Bill Weir introduced the report saying that rising water “may be the scariest part of all.” In fact, Blakemore’’s story sounded like the opposite of the U.N.’’s reduced prediction.

“Sea levels could rise in the coming decades faster than anyone thought,” said Blakemore, who later warned that by the year 2030, 2,000 Indonesian islands could disappear.

Instead of reporting the backpedaling of the IPCC, NBC’s Campbell Brown interviewed eco-celebrity Laurie David of http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ on February 3. The Saturday “Today” co-host gushed about Al Gore’’s Academy Award and Nobel Peace Prize nominations and how his documentary caused people to take the issue of global warming “to heart.” She also told viewers to change their light bulbs.
The reports didn’’t even attempt to provide balance or to present all the relevant facts.

But that was nothing new to CNN’s Lou Dobbs. Just two days earlier, Dobbs left behind all journalistic objectivity and admitted to silencing the debate for the purposes of his show “Lou Dobbs Tonight.” “I’ll tell you something we did on this show, oh about seven, eight months ago because I finally got tired of the debate. I said, ‘‘All right, on this broadcast at least for the purposes of this audience and this broadcast we’’re going to assume that mankind has a significant role in global warming,” said Dobbs on January 30.

What about Today’’s Weather?

CBS weatherman Sam Champion was concerned that the extremely cold weather might freeze out acceptance of the IPCC report.
“Good Morning America’’s” Champion even shook off the notion that currently cold temperatures could undermine the theories about human-caused climate change during the February 5 broadcast. “Remember, your day-to-day temperatures are not gauging global warming,” Champion said.

Tell that to The Washington Post and The New York Times reporters as well as NBC’s Meredith Vieira, who all linked unseasonably high temperatures in the Northeast to global warming in early January.

Joel Achenbach declared on January 7, “The weather is sublime, it’s glorious, it’s the end of the world,” in the Post.

Vieira even asked “are we all gonna die?” on the January 7 “Today Show.”
Or tell that to Al Gore, who "chose January 15, 2004, one of the coldest days in New York City's history, to rail against the Bush administration and global warming skeptics," as James M. Taylor wrote in Environment & Climate News. Gore, Taylor said, told his audience that global warming was causing record cold.

"The extreme conditions are actually the end result of the planet warming," Gore claimed.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070207122211.aspx
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:39 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

The soon-to-be-released new IPCC report should be an interesting read. Over the last months, one or two at a time, Ican has been patiently posting the comments of 400 well credentialed scientists who once promoted a theory of anthropogenic global warming but have sense recanted those views and are now among the ranks of the skeptics.

And the scientific opinion now is all over the map while the leftwing media that has been such a strong advocate for the AGW theorists isn't quite ready yet to eat any crow:

Quote:
By Noel Sheppard
December 11, 2006 - 11:15 ET

The UK Telegraph reported Sunday that the United Nations will significantly reduce its global warming assessment in a document set to be published in February (emphasis mine):

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent. [……]
The panel, however, has lowered predictions of how much sea levels will rise in comparison with its last report in 2001.
http://newsbusters.org/node/9585



Quote:
Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:22AM GMT 11 Dec 2006

Mankind has had less effect on global warming than previously supposed, a United Nations report on climate change will claim next year.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent.

In a final draft of its fourth assessment report, to be published in February, the panel reports that the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has accelerated in the past five years. It also predicts that temperatures will rise by up to 4.5 C during the next 100 years, bringing more frequent heat waves and storms.

The panel, however, has lowered predictions of how much sea levels will rise in comparison with its last report in 2001.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1536454/UN-downgrades-mans-impact-on-the-climate.html


Quote:
Media Fired Up About U.N. Global Warming Report
News reports eagerly promote global warming, predict catastrophe and selectively silence climate experts.
By Julia A. Seymour
Business & Media Institute
2/7/2007 12:40:10 PM

As Manhattan enjoyed an unseasonable 72-degree winter day on January 6, news media quickly claimed that the weather inspired fears of “the end of the world.” But as the thermometer dipped into extreme cold, the rhetoric of human-caused global warming has not cooled off.

“Do people here [South Beach, Fla.] know that very likely in the next "" well several decades "" all of this is going to be underwater?” asked CBS “Early Show” anchor Harry Smith during an interview with author Carl Hiaasen. Smith injected the topic of global warming into his interview about the appeal of Miami on February 1.

ABC flashed an onscreen graphic that read “Will Billions Die from Global Warming?”

When the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) released a summary of its upcoming report on February 2, the media supplied catastrophic predictions. But they left out two key elements: experts who questioned the report and U.N. predictions that were actually downgraded from earlier warnings.

NBC anchor Brian Williams treated the report as above reproach when he said on “Nightly News,” “Climate change is increasingly a political issue. But today’’s report is all about science.”

But as the Business & Media Institute reported in the study Fire and Ice, the media have frequently hyped the threat of climate catastrophe "" alternating global cooling and global warming "" throughout the past 100 years. Each of those reports was “all about science,” too.

Coverage of the U.N. report gave no explanation of who writes the summary that was released on February 2. “The Summary for Policymakers is designed to be a propaganda document that will promote global warming alarmism,” said the Competitive Enterprise Institute’’s Myron Ebell. “It is not written by the scientists who wrote the report, but by the governments that belong to the IPCC.”

See No Debate, Speak No Debate

Media reports following the IPCC release could be summed up like this: “The earth is warming, it’’s mankind’’s fault, and no one can question it.”

During Sam Champion’s January 31 ABC segment, he stated that the IPCC report would conclude with 99 percent certainty that global warming is caused by mankind’s fossil fuel pollution.

But the actual report, released on February 2, “confirmed they’re 90 percent certain manmade greenhouse gas emissions are causing alarming rates of global warming,” according to correspondent Dawna Friesen of NBC “Nightly News.”

Unlike the IPCC scientists, the media must have been 100 percent certain, because stories about the IPCC report on February 2 ABC, NBC and CBS broadcasts included no other point of view.

“The top climate experts from all around the world, speaking with one voice, issued a blunt and bleak assessment today on global warning. There was no ambiguity in their words,” said ABC’’s Charles Gibson during “World News.”

Experts who disagreed with the IPCC were nowhere to be found in those February 2 network stories.

But there are many experts who disagree, including climatologist Dr. Timothy Ball, who stated in a February 5 article that “Global warming, as we think we know it, doesn’’t exist.” Ball earned his Ph.D. in climatology from the University of London and taught the science at the University of Winnipeg.

In his article, Ball also said that global warming is not caused by human carbon dioxide emissions, calling it “the greatest deception in the history of science.” He then cited the global cooling consensus from 30 years ago and said “global temperature trends now indicate a cooling” to come.

Another scientist, astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shariv, once said that human carbon dioxide emissions were causing global warming, but has since recanted and now blames solar activity. Dr. Habibullo Abdussamatov agrees because he has seen evidence on another planet.

“Mars has global warming, but without a greenhouse and without the participation of Martians,” Abdussamatov told Canada’’s National Post.

Convenient Fact Selection

Also conspicuously absent from the post-IPCC report stories on the networks was the mention of a significant revision to U.N. predictions of sea level rise. According to The Wall Street Journal, in 2001 the U.N. was predicting a high-end sea level rise of three feet by 2100, but the new report leaves high-end estimates at 17 inches "" a 52.7-percent decrease.
“[W]hat’s not new in today’s IPCC report "" that humans are warming the planet "" will be treated as big news, while what is new "" that sea levels are not likely to rise as much as previously predicted "" will be ignored, at least by everyone except the extremist fringe,” predicted climatologist Patrick J. Michaels on February 2.

Michaels was correct. ABC’s Bill Blakemore left out the revision of U.N. predictions in a segment about that very topic: rising sea levels. “World News” anchor Bill Weir introduced the report saying that rising water “may be the scariest part of all.” In fact, Blakemore’’s story sounded like the opposite of the U.N.’’s reduced prediction.

“Sea levels could rise in the coming decades faster than anyone thought,” said Blakemore, who later warned that by the year 2030, 2,000 Indonesian islands could disappear.

Instead of reporting the backpedaling of the IPCC, NBC’s Campbell Brown interviewed eco-celebrity Laurie David of http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/ on February 3. The Saturday “Today” co-host gushed about Al Gore’’s Academy Award and Nobel Peace Prize nominations and how his documentary caused people to take the issue of global warming “to heart.” She also told viewers to change their light bulbs.
The reports didn’’t even attempt to provide balance or to present all the relevant facts.

But that was nothing new to CNN’s Lou Dobbs. Just two days earlier, Dobbs left behind all journalistic objectivity and admitted to silencing the debate for the purposes of his show “Lou Dobbs Tonight.” “I’ll tell you something we did on this show, oh about seven, eight months ago because I finally got tired of the debate. I said, ‘‘All right, on this broadcast at least for the purposes of this audience and this broadcast we’’re going to assume that mankind has a significant role in global warming,” said Dobbs on January 30.

What about Today’’s Weather?

CBS weatherman Sam Champion was concerned that the extremely cold weather might freeze out acceptance of the IPCC report.
“Good Morning America’’s” Champion even shook off the notion that currently cold temperatures could undermine the theories about human-caused climate change during the February 5 broadcast. “Remember, your day-to-day temperatures are not gauging global warming,” Champion said.

Tell that to The Washington Post and The New York Times reporters as well as NBC’s Meredith Vieira, who all linked unseasonably high temperatures in the Northeast to global warming in early January.

Joel Achenbach declared on January 7, “The weather is sublime, it’s glorious, it’s the end of the world,” in the Post.

Vieira even asked “are we all gonna die?” on the January 7 “Today Show.”
Or tell that to Al Gore, who "chose January 15, 2004, one of the coldest days in New York City's history, to rail against the Bush administration and global warming skeptics," as James M. Taylor wrote in Environment & Climate News. Gore, Taylor said, told his audience that global warming was causing record cold.

"The extreme conditions are actually the end result of the planet warming," Gore claimed.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070207122211.aspx



And in to 2008
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A year ago, British meteorologists made headlines predicting that the buildup of greenhouse gases would help make 2007 the hottest year on record. At year’s end, even though the British scientists reported the global temperature average was not a new record " it was actually lower than any year since 2001 " the BBC confidently proclaimed, “2007 Data Confirms Warming Trend.”

When the Arctic sea ice last year hit the lowest level ever recorded by satellites, it was big news and heralded as a sign that the whole planet was warming. When the Antarctic sea ice last year reached the highest level ever recorded by satellites, it was pretty much ignored. A large part of Antarctica has been cooling recently, but most coverage of that continent has focused on one small part that has warmed. . . . .

. . . .Roger A. Pielke Jr., a professor of environmental studies at the University of Colorado, recently noted the very different reception received last year by two conflicting papers on the link between hurricanes and global warming. He counted 79 news articles about a paper in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, and only 3 news articles about one in a far more prestigious journal, Nature.

Guess which paper jibed with the theory " and image of Katrina " presented by Al Gore’s “Inconvenient Truth”?

It was, of course, the paper in the more obscure journal, which suggested that global warming is creating more hurricanes. The paper in Nature concluded that global warming has a minimal effect on hurricanes. It was published in December " by coincidence, the same week that Mr. Gore received his Nobel Peace Prize.

In his acceptance speech, Mr. Gore didn’t dwell on the complexities

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/science/01tier.html?_r=1
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 10:52 pm
I apologize for the duplicate post. I must have hit the reply button instead of the edit button when I put in the last article.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 20 Mar, 2009 11:06 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
I really think you should drop the whole IPCC chairman bit unless you can come up with something he actually said, which I don't believe exists.. It certainly doesn't gibe with anything he's said since and continues to say.

Agreed, but if it pops up somewhere, I will report it.
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@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

The soon-to-be-released new IPCC report should be an interesting read. Over the last months, Ican has been patiently posting the comments of 400 well credentialed scientists who once promoted a theory of anthropogenic global warming but have sense recanted those views and are now among the ranks of the skeptics.




I always find that statement to be amazing, Fox. I am not surprised you think it is true.

1. The 400 are NOT all well credentialed in the areas of climatology or even in physical sciences. David F Noble - A historian - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_F._Noble , The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist, Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economist,; Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics
Then of course there is Raphael Wust who's current job is Aquarium Manager & Project Curator at the James Cook University.

2. The 400 have not all recanted previous views since some have always been skeptics. Particle Physicist Jasper Kirkby for instance
3. Some of them raise questions about some of the science but are not skeptics of the theory of anthropogenic warming.
4. Some of the statements are so vague that you have to really be trying to make them mean something they don't to make the person a skeptic.
Quote:
"Paleoclimate research shows that the chillier periods of the Earth's history have always given way to warmer times, and vice versa. But it is not quite clear what causes this change,"
So, it isn't clear what caused changes in the past does not equate to man can't be causing any change today.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 21 Mar, 2009 10:53 am
@parados,
That's possible Parados, but at least all of them do seem to be real and to have bios and we can determine who they are. I certainly have not checked every one, but every one that I have checked has had a valid bio and credentials sufficient to evaluate scientific data.

Can you say the same of all those purported to be those 'thousands of scientists' that the environmental religionists claim provides the consensus for global warming?
 

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