Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Economic damage. That's all that really matters at the end to you guys. That it will cost money for companies to do things in a cleaner fashion, and we can't have that.

There are positive side effects, yaknow, that don't need further study. Much of the activities which will cut down on any sort of GW also will cut down on pollution, big time. There's little doubt that this will be a net benefit for everyone. And yes, it will cost some more money. But the benefit for our kids and ourselves will be tremendous.

I think it's important as well to point out that clean technologies are by definition more efficient then most pollutive ones. Internal combustion engines are horribly inefficient as well as pollutive. Everything we can do to help this is a big step for our country.

And it's not just a Liberal/green thing either; I strongly support Nuclear technology, something that many older libs don't. I just want a clean life and a clean world for my kids. And if we take the time to try and get clean, even if it costs some extra money, it will benefit us all in the end.

Cycloptichorn

Obviously that isn't the only factor, but what do we hear right now, we are suffering economically, and many here, notably cicerone imposter, cry the blues over jobs going overseas, manufacturing suffering, etc. Romney rightly points out that if we unilaterally agree to regulations that China or India or other nations do not, we will continue to lose jobs and business, and overall the world will be worse off environmentally. And bad economics is alot more than economics, it involves health and well being of millions of citizens, so I would say it is pretty important. Some of the regulations that we have instituted here have already driven industry offshore.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

MONTHLY MEAN CENTRAL ENGLAND TEMPERATURE

Apparently Walter, the difference is that 2007 did not get as warm in the warmest month, but the other months in spring and fall were warmer than usual, which amounted to the overall average being higher than the graph I posted looked. Still, the average annual temps have not risen in the past 10 years. 2007 is roughly the same as the late 90s.

So why is it, do you think, that other nations can handle these "problems" at least a bit better .... and have e.g. everyone health insured as well?

Have you breathed the air in Shanghai?

BS. Have the courage to do nothing.

I'm glad you support nuclear, but I believe that if the same political atmosphere existed now as back in the 70's, you may have been opposed. I was for nuclear then and I still am, for alot of the same reasons. I saw the handwriting on the wall in terms of fossil fuels then. The same type of political mindset tends to make the same mistakes over and over. It was the conservative base of the political spectrum that saw the wisdom of nuclear 20 to 30 years ago and we fought the same liberal insanity then as we are doing now. The only difference is the liberal end of the spectrum has danced around into a different position offering different trendy solutions to the problems of today. We don't need more pop science and politics, we need more logically based science and politics.

Hey Okie, do me a favor.

I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from implying that my scientific opinions are built around political trends. First of all, as a scientific guy, it's purely untrue. And second, it's f*cking insulting.

Cleaner living and lower emissions and higher efficiencies aren't pop science, they are proven science and proven things which will make all of our lives better.

It's plainly obvious that you are against these proven things for political or money reasons and not b/c the science is bad. But you don't like to hear me say that any more then I like to hear you say the opposite about me, so why don't we try and rein it in a bit, hmm?

Cycloptichorn

It's plainly obvious that you are against these proven things for political or money reasons and not b/c the science is bad. But you don't like to hear me say that any more then I like to hear you say the opposite about me, so why don't we try and rein it in a bit, hmm?

But far from the palms and yucca plants on the shore of English Bay, in Uranium City, 1,340 kilometres north of Saskatoon, the temperature dropped to 59 C below zero this week, making it the coldest place on earth. ...........It was so cold that Syncrude Canada suspended all production activities at its 315,000-barrel-a-day facility in Alberta, a feat armies of environmentalists have tried and failed to achieve.

Hamburger - yes, but revenue is important to municipalities, so perhaps some market pricing research in advance of the original rules would have avoided that problem?!

Anyway, more news from Canada:

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But far from the palms and yucca plants on the shore of English Bay, in Uranium City, 1,340 kilometres north of Saskatoon, the temperature dropped to 59 C below zero this week, making it the coldest place on earth. ...........It was so cold that Syncrude Canada suspended all production activities at its 315,000-barrel-a-day facility in Alberta, a feat armies of environmentalists have tried and failed to achieve.

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/editorial/story.html?id=0c9779a0-1b5b-4c19-85a7-01c696ae9aaa

At 60 below zero centigrade, can anything stay alive? Polar bears are supposed to be hibernating, but what about wolves, or even living plants - do you know?

The coldest temperature ever recorded on Earth was -89.2°C at the Russian station Vostok in 1983.

PS - sorry Cycl, I just looked it up:

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The coldest temperature ever recorded on Earth was -89.2°C at the Russian station Vostok in 1983.

http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/about_antarctica/geography/weather/temperatures.php

God. Almighty.

21 December 1992, North Carolina
Ken Charles Barger, 47, accidentally shot himself to death
in December in Newton, when, awakening to the sound of
a ringing telephone beside his bed, he reached for the phone
but grabbed instead a Smith & Wesson .38 Special,
which discharged when he drew it to his ear.