Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

blatham wrote:

What I can contribute is a fair understanding of some of the most effective and commonly used propaganda methods.

Hi Blatham,
So you must be highly interested in this kind of institutionalized propaganda:

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Start with its funding. CCS comes to states promising to bring money with them to pay for their greenhouse-gas reduction development. Who foots the bill? Several foundations on the global warming panic train: the Rockefeller Brothers Fund, The (Ted) Turner Foundation, The Heinz Endowments, the Energy Foundation, and many others. For example, the state of Washington is paying only $200,000 for CCS' services -- half of what their cheap process has cost in other states.

Then CCS controls the entire policy development: the agenda, scheduling and oversight of their meetings; the CO2 reduction options that stakeholders consider; analysis (which is not an examination of cost/benefit or climate impact) of those options; the voting process; the changing and/or elimination of options; and the writing of all meeting minutes, presentations and reports.

... much more here. Hope you enjoy the reading on those "enviros toadies" (copyright Robert Kennedy, sort of).

OK. So it is obvious right off the top that these chaps are going nowhere else on GW than pro-business, anti-regulation. And they are going to propagandize (precisely in the mode of AEI, Heritage, and Cato...which is why they were set up initially...see Krugman's new book, Chapter 6, section "Building an Intelligensia" for details).

Anyway, feel lucky that in N America, you have (nearly) 2 sides of the debate. In Europe, we don't have that chance, for now.

But please look at the difference here between, one the one hand, vast corporate interests who are concerned about reductions in profits and on the other hand, charitable foundations giving money to organizations and individuals working in the community. These are not at all comparable.

you know ican for several years now i have been dying to light that fuse and send the rocket and you several miles rightwards out of here.

But please look at the difference here between, one the one hand, vast corporate interests who are concerned about reductions in profits and on the other hand, charitable foundations giving money to organizations and individuals working in the community. These are not at all comparable.

We have got Halloween. And more and more people are believing that the world was created 6,000 years ago here, too. I could imagine, your ideas will get a lot more followers on medium-term as well.

I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

Tividar [George Soros's father] saved his family by splitting them up, providing them with forged papers and false identities as Christians, and bribing Gentile families to take them in. George Soros took the name Sandor Kiss, and posed as the godson of a man named Baumbach, an official of Hungary's fascist regime. Baumbach was assigned to deliver deportation notices to Jews and confiscate Jewish property. [Baumbach] brought young Soros with him on his rounds.

My goal is to become the conscience of the world.

Usually it takes a crisis to prompt a meaningful change in direction.

These are not normal times.

Ousting Bush from the White House is the central focus of my life. It's a matter of life and death.

My greatest fear is that the Bush Doctrine will succeed--that Bush will crush the terrorists, tame the rogue states of the axis of evil, and usher in a golden age of American supremacy. American supremacy is flawed and bound to fail in the long run.

What I am afraid of is that the pursuit of American supremacy may be successful for a while because the United States in fact employs a dominant position in the world today.

The principles of the Declaration of Independence are not self-evident truths but arrangements necessitated by our inherently imperfect understanding.

An Invitation to Help Design the Constitution in 2020 … [invitation to] a Yale law School Conference on The Constitution of 2020: a progressive vision of what the Constitution ought to be.

On December 9, 2004, Eli Pariser, who headed Soros's group Moveon PAC, boasted to his members, "Now the Democratic Party is our party. We bought it, we own it."

You got it blatham. If rightists are skeptical of AGW and leftists are believers, that means GW is a political issue, not a science issue.

blatham wrote:

But please look at the difference here between, one the one hand, vast corporate interests who are concerned about reductions in profits and on the other hand, charitable foundations giving money to organizations and individuals working in the community. These are not at all comparable.

Corporate always adapt and make money whatever the fashion du moment is. Du Pont (quotas selling), GE, AREVA (nuclear), Citibank, Goldman Sachs (hot air trading) , Google and many others have much at stake too for appearing "green".
So I think your mantra about "corporate toadies" is just at best naive, at worst red herring.
Money rules, left or right. Some are more or less hypocrite that others that's all.

Yes, and Clinton, of course.

Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the [GSS], which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the [GSS]. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane.

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You got it blatham. If rightists are skeptical of AGW and leftists are believers, that means GW is a political issue, not a science issue.

A false and unnecessary binary opposition. It is both. There are, of course, very many conservatives (and republicans) who share my views on AGW.

I argue that by far the most destructive force on the planet is power-driven financiers and profit-driven corporations and their cartels backed by military might; and that the global warming myth is a red herring that contributes to hiding this truth. In my opinion, activists who, using any justification, feed the global warming myth have effectively been co-opted, or at best neutralized.

I hope your not suggesting that we are as addicted to French wine as we are to foreign oil.

If French wine (or any of the other things you mentioned) suddenly stopped flowing into the USA, would the economy collapse like it would if we suddenly stopped getting foreign oil. And let's not kid ourselves, if we stopped getting foreign oil, our consumer based economy WOULD collapse.

Pls minTAX listen to your brain.

90% of your offshore reserves are forbidden to exploration et drilling for more than 25 years so you should be happy to burn other's oil and let yours intact.

And where exactly should those 90% be? I'd thaught that there have been millions of oil wells drilled in the US and there is nowhere and nothing to remain hidden.

"Addiction to foreign oil" is just a catch-phrase repeated ad nauseam by politicians and companies with an agenda...