Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

mapie wrote-

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Are you saying that the 'intelligent designer' purposefully had the current artic landmasses closer to the equator millions of years ago so that in the 20th centuary we'd have oil that millions have died over, the earth is being polluted over, etc?

No. I said nothing like that. I was comparing beliefs derived from teleologies and wondering why one is believed and the other rejected.

I retract not one word of it.

Incidentally Bernie, as you often bring up the tobacco industry's PR campaigns, which I gather you approved of until quite recently, in such a way as to suggest that they were alone in being motivated by profit you might consider the following.

Well then, I fail to see the similarities between the two beliefs.

Your positing of plate movement and climate specifics of a location on that plate at some period of time as some sort of bona fide teleological proof is just silly.

What might you not likewise claim constitutes a teleological proof, for goodness sakes.

I notice Bernie that you have edited out the part about what media had to gain from discouraging smoking. It was a share in a rather large pot of loot and it must have added to carbon emissions.

Isn't every talking head telling lies more or less the whole time?

I didn't say that I don't accept tectonic science. I asked what proof is there that the artcic plate was once in equatorial regions.

Well-assertions are silly and that's one. Positing is quite respectable I think. One is supposed to discuss what is posited and not just declare it silly.

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What might you not likewise claim constitutes a teleological proof, for goodness sakes.

fresco will set you straight on that. He's a Wittgenstein expert.

And I don't piss all over the bathroom floor either. You're projecting again. At the nozzle of the male urine disposal unit there is a mechanism of incalcuable complexity which imparts a twist to the jet of urine and thus enables men to direct it accurately. Females, alas, are not provided with such a system and there must be an explanation for this difference.

What would you posit Bernie?

And I don't piss all over the bathroom floor either. You're projecting again. At the nozzle of the male urine disposal unit there is a mechanism of incalcuable complexity which imparts a twist to the jet of urine and thus enables men to direct it accurately. Females, alas, are not provided with such a system and there must be an explanation for this difference.

What would you posit Bernie?

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- An epic drought in Georgia threatens the water supply for millions. Florida doesn't have nearly enough water for its expected population boom. The Great Lakes are shrinking. Upstate New York's reservoirs have dropped to record lows. And in the West, the Sierra Nevada snowpack is melting faster each year.

ican711nm wrote:

Another way is for America to develop its own oil fileds (e.g., ANWR) to offset the high cost of imported oil and its consequential high cost of energy production. Individuals and company's would then be able to afford to invest much more in the development of more efficient transport and other machines.

Please explain to me how much cheaper oil would be if we drilled in ANWR?

The oil companies still SELL the oil to Americans, it's not like the OIL in ANWR is free for all Americans, it gets sold to us by the oil companies. Last time I checked the price difference in local crude oil and oil in the Middle East was about $2.

AMERICA'S FRESHWATER CRISIS
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global warning is also likely a contributor to a coming freshwater crisis .

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- An epic drought in Georgia threatens the water supply for millions. Florida doesn't have nearly enough water for its expected population boom. The Great Lakes are shrinking. Upstate New York's reservoirs have dropped to record lows. And in the West, the Sierra Nevada snowpack is melting faster each year.

see link for complete article :
AMERICA'S FRESHWATER CRISIS

i am not speaking of the oil refineries but the better utilization of the energy input .
i understand that currently "regular" gasoline engines "waste" appr, 60 % of the input energy . there are already more advanced engines that have a lower power loss ; i believe an example are turbo-charged engines .
there is also the use of exhaust gas to produce additional output rather than just discharging the exhaust gas .
the modern ship and airplane engines are far more efficient than those produced just twenty years ago . is there any reason to believe that the maximum point of output has already been reached ?
from what i read , more efficient energy use is an ongoing process .
hbg

maporsche wrote:

ican711nm wrote:

Another way is for America to develop its own oil fileds (e.g., ANWR) to offset the high cost of imported oil and its consequential high cost of energy production. Individuals and company's would then be able to afford to invest much more in the development of more efficient transport and other machines.

Please explain to me how much cheaper oil would be if we drilled in ANWR?

The oil companies still SELL the oil to Americans, it's not like the OIL in ANWR is free for all Americans, it gets sold to us by the oil companies. Last time I checked the price difference in local crude oil and oil in the Middle East was about $2.

Elementary economics! The more of a product that is available for sale, the lower the price will be for that product. Increasing the number of our own oil fields that are producing oil, the more oil will be produced, and the lower will be the price of the oil produced. It's called competitive pricing.

hamburger wrote:

AMERICA'S FRESHWATER CRISIS
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global warning is also likely a contributor to a coming freshwater crisis .

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- An epic drought in Georgia threatens the water supply for millions. Florida doesn't have nearly enough water for its expected population boom. The Great Lakes are shrinking. Upstate New York's reservoirs have dropped to record lows. And in the West, the Sierra Nevada snowpack is melting faster each year.

see link for complete article :
AMERICA'S FRESHWATER CRISIS

When they speak of Georgia they mean Atlanta mostly...city planners and politicians have facilitated the overbuilding and overpopulating of that area which is more of a man made water shortage...although rainfall has been scarce. They're letting a billion gallons of water per day drain off Lake Lanier which is the main water supply to Atlanta mainly to save some stupid fresh water mussels from dying, but hey letting humans go extinct is what the enviro whakos and PITA want anyway.

Same goes for Florida as far as overdeveloping.