Steve 41oo wrote:Let us be absolutely clear about this.
Mike Lockwood original's research showed that in the past the sun's activity level has influenced climate.
But the point that the climate change deniers refuse to take on board is that the change from solar activity is swamped by man made green house gas emissions.
Lockwood himself never disputed this and was outraged when his data was deliberately misused in order to present a misleading picture of the science to the general public.
The programme
The Great Global Warming Swindle cut off graphs[/b] showing sunspot activity and temperature rise in the 1980s when the two trends started to go in the
opposite[/b] direction.
Dr Mike Lockwood Rutherford Appleton Laboratory wrote:
The trouble is that the theory of solar activity and climate change was being misappropriated to apply to modern day warming. The sceptics were taking perfectly good science and bringing it into disrespect[/b]
The Royal Society is the oldest and most respected scientific body in the world.
this is what they say
The Royal Society wrote:There is a small minority which is seeking to confuse the public on the causes of climate change. They are often misrepresenting the science, when the reality is that the evidence is getting stronger every day[/b]
In other words the sceptics are not being honest.
Studies now show conclusively that global warming continues despite solar activity pushing in the
opposite i.e. cooling[/b] direction.
The sceptics are frauds and cheats and motivated by concerns other than science. Lets hear no more from them about the sun causing the global warming phenomenum that we observe.
apologies for the italics and bolded type but sometimes you have to shout to make some people listen.
I disagree with you, Steve 41oo. Lockwood may be correct about the Great Global Warming Swindle (GGWS), only showing data until 1980. But the original research by Drs Svensmark and Friis-Christensen was published in 1998 and uses data up until 1995.
Henrik Svensmark - Influence of Cosmic rays and Earth's climate
An important distinction must also be pointed out. Drs Svensmark and Friis-Christensen used the
% change, not the actual cosmic ray counts used by Lockwood. Many phenomena in physics depend on the rate of change, not the absolute value.
I have become more doubtful of the global warming debate. The GGWS has highlighted that there are many non-scientific interested parties. Labelling people as "sceptic" and stigmatising them is wrong. Scientific history is littered with paradigms which have been shown to be wrong. Science, if it is to progress as it needs to, must be allowed to do so without bias. Dr Lockwood's report cannot be taken at face value. After all, he has his own vested interests to protect.
I suggest you look at Dr Svensmark review. The correlations are very clear and do link cloud cover to %change in cosmic rays. And they are valid up until 1995. I acknowledge that there is a divergency at the end, but that can also be another phenomena, such as el Nino. The fact is that although Lockwood cites the Royal Society graph, that is at variance with other data, showing that the temperature has not really risen since 1998. Therefore, there are good grounds to be circumspect about the Lockwood report.