Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Welme to A2K, Gandolf.

Sorry, but we have some here like okie who don't have manners. You'll get used to that.

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The weather has certainly been strange for many years now, that much is a fact. The cause remains questionable though - even science disagrees with itself.

One thing I've noticed here in the northern climes is that the lakes aren't freezing like they used to. In the past, when we got extended periods of temps close to 0F even Lake Michigan would freeze over. Not anymore, which is doubly weird since it is also shallower than it used to be by at least a couple feet.

The inland lakes the last two years have been barely ice-fishable because they freeze, then it snows like crazy and the snow pushes the ice down and water comes in over the top, creating a slushy mess that is less than comforting when you're out on the "ice". It's weird.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Welme to A2K, Gandolf.

Sorry, but we have some here like okie who don't have manners. You'll get used to that.

Walter, Gandolf comes on here and immediately starts trashing McGentrix with barnyard terms, all I do is say Oh no, another Bush hater, which is 100% absolutely the truth, no slander in that because he obviously has a severe dislike for Bush, then you accuse me of not having manners. You should have chastised Gandolf for no manners. I am sure if the roles were reversed, you probably would have.

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Of course you're free to welcome anyone here how you like to do it.

I do it different to your way.

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"Oh goody another Bush hater! Welcome to A2K!!!".

You mean like that?

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There's an essay in the latest NYRB by Bill McKibben on the latest IPCC report which I was going to link tonight, but the new issue isn't on line yet. As soon as I see it up, I'll link it.

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http://images.ucomics.com/comics/wplbe/2007/wplbe070209.gif

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blatham wrote:

But again, my point was the unexpected and unknowable peripheral consequences which arise with climate change. It will not be a matter of crops moving peacefully and slowly polewards.

Blatham, saying climate change causes unexpected consequences is like saying after spring, there is summer. But why is it that you always imply that the consequences of CC are ALWAYS bad ?

If I were a reasonable person, I would find deeply suspicious that the media headlines always present bad consequences of GW, omitting for example to say the mild winter in Europe has saved billion $ in heating or California's orange industry has lost 1,5 billion $ this winter because of ... freezing.
But I'm sure you are a reasonable person and you have seen it. :wink:

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An anti-global-warming petition to sign (for those who wish) here

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If the United States were to sign the Kyoto Protocols, this would impoverish hundreds of millions of people around the world?

I didn't know that. Where can I sign?

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old europe wrote:

If the United States were to sign the Kyoto Protocols, this would impoverish hundreds of millions of people around the world?

I presume this is the kind of alarmist rhetorics (ab)used to promote AGW.

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Posting a link from the Patriot Post by a Frenchman certainly will help reducing American prejudices against France ... what liberals where in the government, you said, who signed the Protocoll on 29 April 1998? (Ratification on 31 May 2002)

Rassemblement pour la République/Union pour un Mouvement Populaire ...

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miniTAX wrote:

old europe wrote:
If the United States were to sign the Kyoto Protocols, this would impoverish hundreds of millions of people around the world?

I presume this is the kind of alarmist rhetorics (ab)used to promote AGW.

You mean "alarming" crap like this?

"GLOBAL warming will take a toll on children's health, according to a new report showing hospital admissions for fever soar as days get hotter.

The new study found that temperature rises had a significant impact on the number of pre-schoolers presenting to emergency departments for fever and gastroenteritis.

The two-year study at a major children's hospital showed that for every five-degree rise in temperature two more children under six years old were admitted with fever to that hospital.

The University of Sydney research is the first to make a solid link between climate changes and childhood illness.

"And now global warming is becoming more apparent, it is highly likely an increasing number of young children will be turning up at hospital departments with these kinds of common illnesses," said researcher Lawrence Lam, a paediatrics specialist. "

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21269012-661,00.html

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Scribble, scribble, scribble eh Mr Old Europe?!

Tiresome as always - you sign just under the text you just quoted.

Quote:

We reject the Orwellian solutions proposed by Albert Arnold Gore and others who claim that the Kyoto Protocols must be adopted to stop global warming. The science of climate change is very imprecise, and current trends in climate change may have little or nothing to do with production of so-called "greenhouse gasses" such as carbon dioxide.

Albert Gore's solutions will only impede the advancement of scientific and technological innovation, and would impoverish hundreds of millions of people around the world.

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Now, come on guys, I've just been quoting from the Anti-Global-Warming alarmists website thingie that minitax pointed to.

Or do you think the language is too much over the top?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Posting a link from the Patriot Post by a Frenchman certainly will help reducing American prejudices against France

Don't you know, I'm payed to promote "la maison France" Laughing

Walter Hinteler wrote:

... what liberals where in the government, you said, who signed the Protocoll on 29 April 1998? (Ratification on 31 May 2002)

Rassemblement pour la République/Union pour un Mouvement Populaire ...

May I remind you that the most rightist French politician is considered by many standards the most liberal even by a die-hard American democrat. At a point that a "libéral" in France means a libertarian Surprised

But I'm sure a cultured person as you is well aware of this.

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old europe wrote:

Or do you think the language is too much over the top?

Of course not! They hire the same spin doctors from WWF & Greenpeace to craft their anti-GW message Laughing

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woiyo wrote:

The University of Sydney research is the first to make a solid link between climate changes and childhood illness.

There is also this university first to make a solid link between CC and higher suicide rates Laughing

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Monthly data on suicide mortality and temperature were obtained for a 30-year period (from January 1974 to December 2003), and the relation between them was investigated using the Gaussian low-pass filter, linear correlation analysis and rank analysis.

When you talk about GW, "first discoveries" abound: just look at this impressive list of things caused by GW : http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

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mini

what I dont understand is how an obviously educated and intelligent person such as yourself, particularly someone with expertise in an applied science, can consistently challenge the concensus scientific opinion in a field (climatology) in which you admit you are not expert.

ALL the arguments against anthropogenic global warming have been knocked down one by one over the last few years. Yet you continue to challenge the idea as if it were mere speculation.

I would really like you to spell out in a sentence or two why you continue to take the stance you do.

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Walter wrote

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Posting a link from the Patriot Post by a Frenchman certainly will help reducing American prejudices against France . . . .

For the record, I have already come to terms with and have been rethinking my 'prejudices against France' and Minitax and a couple of other sensible Frenchmen I have encountered recently are a huge reason for me doing that. It has nothing to do with him posting a link from the Patriot Post however.

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