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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 28 Dec, 2006 06:28 pm
c.i. :
you may be interested in the linked article .
it deals with the huge increase in wood products in house construction and its effect on chinese timberstands .
the ingenious chinese are trying to increase the use of bamboo in house construction to prevent their forests from becoming overlogged !
...BAMBOO USE IN HOUSE CONSTRUCTION...

there was a report in business news recently that dealt with the use of "bamboo fiber" to replace cotton in the textile manufacture !
it is claimed that bamboo gives a superior fiber to cotton - softer and more absorbent . however , products , such as towels are currently about 20% more expensive than cotton towels .
apparently , the main advantage of the bamboo is that no insecticides or other chemicals are needed in the growing process - "a green fiber" ?
hbg
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Dec, 2006 06:50 pm
hbg, It's true that bamboo is not only fast growing, but readily available in Asia. The Chinese have used bamboo for building both large and small structures with bamboo scaffolding. It's lighter and safer than metal - and more flexible. I seen some large buildings being built with the use of those bamboo scafoldings, and they are amazing.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:23 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I was hoping for the typical liberal third degree of this new poster, but apparently they only do that to those that oppose their views.


a) I've only very rarely been the same opinion as High Seas,
b) besides georgeob, she's the only conservative I highly regard.


I'm wounded deeply, Walter.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 10:27 am
Ticomaya wrote:
I'm wounded deeply, Walter.


You're - sorry for that - not in that top league, Tico, but a very close runner-up.

(You know, UK, Great Britain, England and all that :wink: )
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 11:43 am
Walter, Thanks for you PM. I still don't having sending privileges, so I'll post a short one here. I started reading one, but it was too long to read in one sitting. Having studied macroeconomics in college, the long article on international trade/economy makes sense. Investments will go where labor cost is cheap. The only savior to this transfer of economic activity is to ensure that our educational system is at the top or near the top with science and math skills. I'm afraid the US is falling further behind with Bush's No Child Left Behind. *(I think Singapore is on top.)

I'll be leaving early tomorrow morning for Miami, and will return on January 12. Talk to you later. T.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 29 Dec, 2006 09:30 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
Well gee, McG and Okie. Shall we take turns at being president of the 'rest of the conservatives Walter doesn't hold in high regard' club? We're in pretty good company I'd say. Smile


Thanks, Foxfyre, I consider that a compliment. However, I figured I would be judged too sarcastic by even some on our side of the fence to merit the lofty position of president. Such a lofty job would require a uniter, not a divider, you know. I would vote for you for president. Maybe I could be the Dick Cheney, but better yet Ticomaya could do that with his needed "Gravitas," so maybe I could be the outspoken Rummy, or the hated Karl Rove? But if I was Rove, Parados the lawyer would be investigating me endlessly for allegedly leaking websites that might have classified information or some other illegal technicality or something.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 12:10 am
okie wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Well gee, McG and Okie. Shall we take turns at being president of the 'rest of the conservatives Walter doesn't hold in high regard' club? We're in pretty good company I'd say. Smile


Thanks, Foxfyre, I consider that a compliment. However, I figured I would be judged too sarcastic by even some on our side of the fence to merit the lofty position of president. Such a lofty job would require a uniter, not a divider, you know. I would vote for you for president. Maybe I could be the Dick Cheney, but better yet Ticomaya could do that with his needed "Gravitas," so maybe I could be the outspoken Rummy, or the hated Karl Rove? But if I was Rove, Parados the lawyer would be investigating me endlessly for allegedly leaking websites that might have classified information or some other illegal technicality or something.


Well you've already been fingered, Okie. You post websites that must be classified or something or else they wouldn't provoke as many hissy fits as they do. Smile
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:40 am
Arctic ice shelf breaks free

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/77725.html

As a side issue, I think there is trouble brewing.
When the waters north of Canada become (more) navigable, will they be classified as Canada's territorial waters, or international? I think Canada and the USA are going to fall out about this; in fact they already have, in the case of atom submarines sailing under the ice without Canadian clearance & permission.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 05:32 am
I think Canada could break up, let alone the arctic ice sheet. American infringement of "Canadian" territorial water is probably calculated to encourage this.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 05:59 am
Plight of the polar bear forces Bush to recognise climate threat

Tim Reid in Washington
December 28, 2006


The Bush Administration conceded yesterday that global warming is threatening the polar bear with extinction, the first time that it has singled out climate change as a grave threat to the Arctic and its most iconic inhabitant.


The Times UK
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 08:25 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
I think Canada could break up, let alone the arctic ice sheet. American infringement of "Canadian" territorial water is probably calculated to encourage this.


I hear Canada might have WMD or maybe even a uranium enrichment program.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 30 Dec, 2006 03:55 pm
They do have some very large, high grade uranium deposits, Parados.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 02:54 pm
Okie - we better take a number, Denmark has a head start on us:

Quote:

".....We acknowledge that we hold very different views on the question of the sovereignty of Hans Island. This is a territorial dispute which has persisted since the early 1970s, when agreement was reached on the maritime boundary between Canada and Greenland. We underscore that this issue relates only to the island as such, and has no impact on that agreement."


N.B. see note 13: http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/prb0561-e.htm


Besides, we won't have enough troops to invade Ruritania after the proposed Iraq "surge", never mind Denmark!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 02:58 pm
That dispute about Hans Island was an A2K-topic as well .... a couple of months ago.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 03:12 pm
For the longest time I've been wondering if we can transport polar bears to Antarctica, since their current habitat is literally melting under their feet >

http://amap.no/acia/SymposiumAbstracts.jpg

> but Antarctica seems to be defended by a non-bear-friendly crew; they worry about diseases the bears might introduce to native species and related damage to antarctic ecosystems.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 03:14 pm
...PROTECTING THE FRESH-WATER SUPPLY...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 05:45 pm
Re: Conversationism:

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009464

Everyone's getting on board for the plug-in hybrid...

Quote:
ENERGY INDEPENDENCE
Gentlemen, Start Your Plug-Ins
How does 500 miles a gallon sound to you?

BY R. JAMES WOOLSEY
Monday, January 1, 2007 12:01 a.m.

An oil and security task force of the Council on Foreign Relations recently opined that "the voices that espouse 'energy independence' are doing the nation a disservice by focusing on a goal that is unachievable over the foreseeable future." Others have also said, essentially, that other nations will control our transportation fuel--get used to it. Yet House Democrats have announced a push for "energy independence in 10 years," and in November General Motors joined Toyota and perhaps other auto makers in a race to produce plug-in hybrid vehicles, hugely reducing the demand for oil. Who's right--those who drive toward independence or those who shrug?

Bet on major progress toward independence, spurred by market forces and a portfolio of rapidly developing oil-replacing technologies.

In recent years a number of alternatives to conventional oil have come to the fore--oil sands, oil shale, coal-to-diesel and coal-to-methanol technologies. But their acceptability to a new Congress, quite possibly the next president, and a public increasingly concerned about global warming will depend on their demonstrating affordable and effective methods of sequestering the carbon they produce or otherwise avoiding carbon emissions.

Ethanol's appeal rose a few years ago when it became clear that genetically modified biocatalysts could break down the cellulose in biomass and thus enable ethanol's production from a wide range of plant life. This means that, compared with corn, little fossil fuel is needed during biomass cultivation and land use presents much less of a problem. Indeed two years ago the National Energy Policy Commission (NEPC), making reasonable assumptions about improved vehicle efficiency and biomass yields over the next 20 years, estimated that just 7% of U.S. farmland (the amount now in the Soil Bank) could produce enough biomass to provide half the fuel needed by U.S. passenger vehicles, and that production costs for cellulosic ethanol were headed downward toward around 70 cents per gallon. Further, conversion of only a portion of industrial, municipal and animal wastes--using thermal processes now coming into commercial operation--appears to be able to yield an additional several million barrels a day of diesel or, with some processes, methanol.

But in spite of the technological promise of alternative liquid fuels, skeptics rightly point out that it will take time to build production facilities and learn the practicalities of operating biorefineries and shifting industry from hydrocarbons to carbohydrates. Most of all there is a sense of investor caution, driven by memories of the mid-'80s and the late '90s when sharp drops in oil prices, driven in part by increased production from Saudi reserves, bankrupted such undertakings as the Synfuels Corporation. Also, industry support for moving away from oil dependence has long been weak outside agribusiness, and consumers see little immediate savings from using alternative liquid fuels.

All this is likely to change decisively, because electricity is about to become a major partner with alternative liquid fuels in replacing oil.

The change is being driven by innovations in the batteries that now power modern electronics. If hybrid gasoline-electric cars are provided with advanced batteries (GM's announcement said its choice would be lithium-ion) having improved energy and power density--variants of the ones in our computers and cell phones--dozens of vehicle prototypes are now demonstrating that these "plug-in hybrids" can more than double hybrids' overall (gasoline) mileage. With a plug-in, charging your car overnight from an ordinary 110-volt socket in your garage lets you drive 20 miles or more on the electricity stored in the topped-up battery before the car lapses into its normal hybrid mode. If you forget to charge or exceed 20 miles, no problem, you then just have a regular hybrid with the insurance of liquid fuel in the tank. And during those 20 all-electric miles you will be driving at a cost of between a penny and three cents a mile instead of the current 10-cent-a-mile cost of gasoline.

Utilities are rapidly becoming quite interested in plug-ins because of the substantial benefit to them of being able to sell off-peak power at night. Because off-peak nighttime charging uses unutilized capacity, DOE's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory estimates that adopting plug-ins will not create a need for new base load electricity generation plants until plug-ins constitute over 84% of the country's 220 million passenger vehicles. Further, those plug-ins that are left connected to an electrical socket after being fully charged (most U.S. cars are parked over 20 hours a day) can substitute for expensive natural gas by providing electricity from their batteries back to the grid: "spinning" reserves to help deal with power outages and regulation of the grid's voltage and amperage.

Once plug-ins start appearing in showrooms it is not only consumers and utility shareholders who will be smiling. If cheap off-peak electricity supplies a portion of our transportation needs, this will help insulate alternative liquid fuels from OPEC market manipulation designed to cripple oil's competitors. Indian and Chinese demand and peaking oil production may make it much harder for OPEC today to use any excess production capacity to drive prices down and destroy competitive technology. But as plug-ins come into the fleet low electricity costs will stand as a substantial further barrier to such market manipulation. Since OPEC cannot drive oil prices low enough to undermine our use of off-peak electricity, it is unlikely to embark on a course of radical price cuts at all because such cuts are painful for its oil-exporter members. Plug-ins thus may well give investors enough confidence to back alternative liquid fuels without any need for new taxes on oil or subsidies to protect them.

Environmentalists should join this march with enthusiasm. Replacing hydrocarbons with fuels derived from biomass and waste reduces vehicles' carbon emissions very substantially. And replacing gasoline with electricity further brightens the environmental picture. The Environmental and Energy Study Institute has shown that, with today's electricity grid, there would be a national average reduction in carbon emissions by about 60% per vehicle when a plug-in hybrid with 20-mile all-electric range replaces a conventional car.

Subsidizing expensive substitutes for petroleum, ignoring the massive infrastructure costs needed to fuel family cars with hydrogen, searching for a single elegant solution--none of this has worked, nor will it. Instead we should encourage a portfolio of inexpensive fuels, including electricity, that requires very little infrastructure change and let its components work together: A 50 mpg hybrid, once it becomes a plug-in, will likely get solidly over 100 mpg of gasoline (call it "mpgg"); if it is also a flexible fuel vehicle using 85% ethanol, E-85, its mpgg rises to around 500.

The market will likely operate to expand sharply the use of these technologies that are already in pilot plants and prototypes and heavily reduce oil use in the foreseeable future. And given the array of Wahhabis, terrorists and Ahmadinejad-like fanatics who sit atop the Persian Gulf's two-thirds of the world's conventional oil, such reduction will not be a disservice to the nation.

Mr. Woolsey, co-chairman of the Committee on the Present Danger, was director of central intelligence from 1993 to 1995.


Cycloptichorn
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MizunoMan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:39 pm
'Top Ten Junk Science Moments for 2006'
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 09:59 pm


You're kinda new here MizunoMan and probably didn't know that it is a kind of blasphemy here to post from the Junk Science website.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed these enormously. Smile
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 10:26 pm
Blasphemy to liberals only, Foxfyre. By the way, perhaps the Junk Science list should also list the polar bear scare? Is there any credible proof anywhere that the polar bear population is in danger? I doubt it.
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