Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

No doubt they will. And I think Rockefeller should go too. After all, his family bears no small guilt in making fortunes from oil, oil produced only to pollute and threaten the very existence of our beloved planet. At the very least, he should give every last penny of his inheritance to research into green causes and solutions to the dire crisis we are now trapped in, all because of greedy, cigar smoking, fatcat, evil oilmen.

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okie wrote:

No doubt they will. And I think Rockefeller should go too. After all, his family bears no small guilt in making fortunes from oil, oil produced only to pollute and threaten the very existence of our beloved planet. At the very least, he should give every last penny of his inheritance to research into green causes and solutions to the dire crisis we are now trapped in, all because of greedy, cigar smoking, fatcat, evil oilmen.

It's a little scary though when you see the government sliding more and more into socialism and taking more and more of the power from the private sector or trying to or indicating that it wants to. I think it might be important to start resisting that trend with more oomph than we have been doing lately.

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I agree, but its to the point that the people can out vote you Foxfyre. The constitution no longer matters if judges are appointed that can simply make up new law. Unless something changes the trends, I don't think its looking good. And the left has the press on their side. The majority of people are uninformed, and don't care about principles of freedom. They will simply vote for those that will give them the most things and take care of them.

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Well all liberals aren't nuts and all conservatives aren't exemplary, so we probably should get back to debating the actual issue here.

Here's a notation about the Senate hearing on Global Warming today in case somebody wants to tune in. Should be starting here shortly. (I have appointments though and won't be able to watch--hope Cspan has it on later today.)

Media climate

Sen. James M. Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican and chairman of the Environment and Public Works Committee, will hold a full committee hearing tomorrow on "Climate Change and the Media."

The hearing will look at how the media has presented scientific evidence regarding predictions of human-caused catastrophic global warming, the senator's office said.

"Senator Inhofe believes that poorly conceived policy decisions will result from the media's nonstop hyping of 'extreme scenarios' and dire climate predictions," said committee Communications Director Marc Morano. "This hearing will serve to advance the interests of sound science and encourage rational policy decisions."

Among those who are scheduled to testify at the hearing are geologist David Deming of the University of Oklahoma; paleoclimate researcher Bob Carter of Australia's James Cook University; Dan Gainor of the Business & Media Institute; Naomi Oreskes of the University of California at San Diego and professor Daniel Schrag of Harvard University.

The hearing will be held at 9:30 a.m. in 406 Dirksen Senate Office Building. It can be watched live on the Internet at http://epw.senate.gov/epwmultimedia/epwmultimedia.htm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20061205-121929-8314r.htm

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Foxfyre wrote:

The letter to ExxonMobil.

BY JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER IV AND OLYMPIA SNOWE
Monday, December 4, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

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Rockefeller et al must be unfamiliar with Google. Otherwise, with two clicks, they would have known more about Exxon's position on GW before writing their letter. Source:

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ExxonMobil takes climate change extremely seriously. We recognise that the risk of climate change and its potential impacts on society and ecosystems may prove to be significant and that actions are needed to address this issue.

We are taking actions to reduce emissions now and are also investing in research and technology in the area of advanced vehicles and fuels, energy technology and climate science that can help find long-term solutions to global warming.

Big oils are definitely doomed. If they do nothing, they are deniers. If they do something, they are cynical money-minded bastards. They should try to commit suicide to please.

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You are starting to catch on, Minitax. Lawyers and politicians are wholesome, wonderful, and smart people, even though they do nothing but sue each other and write laws for the rest of us that work. People that work for oil companies are losers. Never mind the fact they produce most of the energy that the entire world depends on to do virtually everything involved in our luxurious lifestyle for the past century around the world. Never mind that. They should be hated, belittled, and told they are liars, cheaters, and greedy.

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VIENNA, Austria - Europe's Alpine region is going through its warmest period in 1,300 years, the head of an extensive climate study said Tuesday.

"We are currently experiencing the warmest period in the Alpine region in 1,300 years," Reinhard Boehm, a climatologist at Austria's Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16052360/

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Big oils are definitely doomed... They should try to commit suicide to please.

Well, as remedies go, suicide is a bit extreme (even if your verb construction here suggests the classic designed-to-fail attempt because acknowledgement of victimhood is the real intent). Penance plus jail time ought to be adequate.

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blatham wrote:

Penance plus jail time ought to be adequate.

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BTW, would you let them fill my tank before neutralizing them ?

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Of course, the entire problem is that these companies will not go quietly into the night; they will make life as difficult as possible for those who wish to see that happen, through legal tactics, funding junk science, and appealing to the base nature of the greedy.

Cycloptichorn

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blatham wrote:

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VIENNA, Austria - Europe's Alpine region is going through its warmest period in 1,300 years, the head of an extensive climate study said Tuesday.

"We are currently experiencing the warmest period in the Alpine region in 1,300 years," Reinhard Boehm, a climatologist at Austria's Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16052360/

What??? This means that 1300 years ago, with no SUV, no megalopolis and no carbon "polluter", it was as warm as now ? With 100x less people, how did they do that ?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Of course, the entire problem is that these companies will not go quietly into the night; they will make life as difficult as possible for those who wish to see that happen, through legal tactics, funding junk science, and appealing to the base nature of the greedy.

Cycloptichorn

A big point here, cyclops. Earning money is not greed. Confiscating it is. Therefore, oil companies are not greedy. Bureaucrats are.

If you work for a living, are you greedy? If you expect everyone else to support you, are you greedy? I would say definitely so if you are able bodied and should be capable of providing for yourself.

If you go drill an oil well and sell it for a profit, are you greedy? Its a willing seller selling a product at a fair price to a willing buyer. This is not greed. It is a great service provided to society, no less honorable than digging a ditch for somebody at an agreed price. Would digging a ditch be greedy if the person wanted the ditch to be dug and you agreed to do it at a price? Obviously not.

Do some thinking, cyclops, and break out of the liberal stereotypical thinking.

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miniTAX wrote:

What??? This means that 1300 years ago, with no SUV, no megalopolis and no carbon "polluter", it was as warm as now ? With 100x less people, how did they do that ?

Joking a bit, minitax? Rolling Eyes

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okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Of course, the entire problem is that these companies will not go quietly into the night; they will make life as difficult as possible for those who wish to see that happen, through legal tactics, funding junk science, and appealing to the base nature of the greedy.

Cycloptichorn

A big point here, cyclops. Earning money is not greed. Confiscating it is. Therefore, oil companies are not greedy. Bureaucrats are.

If you work for a living, are you greedy? If you expect everyone else to support you, are you greedy? I would say definitely so if you are able bodied and should be capable of providing for yourself.

If you go drill an oil well and sell it for a profit, are you greedy? Its a willing seller selling a product at a fair price to a willing buyer. This is not greed. It is a great service provided to society, no less honorable than digging a ditch for somebody at an agreed price. Would digging a ditch be greedy if the person wanted the ditch to be dug and you agreed to do it at a price? Obviously not.

Do some thinking, cyclops, and break out of the liberal stereotypical thinking.

Now now, be nice.

When it comes to oil companies, or any really, there is a question to be answered:

what is more important - to provide a great service for society and make a modest profit, or to maximize one's profits' at the expense of society?

It isn't as if oil companies are doing you and me some sort of favor by pumping the stuff out of the ground. Far from it.

The oil companies aren't just sitting around waiting for the price to be set by society, either; they actively work to raise the prices. They form cartels to artificially keep the prices high. They reduce production and refuse to build new refineries to keep prices high. And why not? They make even more money that way.

When making a higher profit outweighs providing a valuable service to the society around you, you have reached the point of greed. It isn't greedy to want to work for a living, it is greedy to make profits the point of your existence, and to emphasize them above other concerns.

Cycloptichorn

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miniTAX wrote:

blatham wrote:
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VIENNA, Austria - Europe's Alpine region is going through its warmest period in 1,300 years, the head of an extensive climate study said Tuesday.

"We are currently experiencing the warmest period in the Alpine region in 1,300 years," Reinhard Boehm, a climatologist at Austria's Central Institute for Meteorology and Geodynamics said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16052360/

What??? This means that 1300 years ago, with no SUV, no megalopolis and no carbon "polluter", it was as warm as now ? With 100x less people, how did they do that ?

Perhaps your local library would have information on what you french people were eating back then.

Weather patterns show various cyclical trends. But that hardly lets you off the hook here given the confluence of indicators in the present. Every now and again, you are going to get a headache. But when you wake up on Sunday after gulping down two bottles of Boreaux, what you are feeling isn't merely the result of chance.

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Also, oil companies are well aware that the majority of Americans are now hooked on their product completely and couldn't give it up even if they had wanted to. Our cities are designed around the utilitzation of their product alone.

To put it shortly, they have the US economy by the balls and they know it. You think they will give this up easily, as new forms of power and locomotion come about? Get real!

They will litigate.

They will supress technology.

They will buy politicians.

They will do all sorts of dastardly things to keep their profits high. And why not? That's the point of their business, after all; to do whatever it takes to provide the highest possible return to their investors. Morality isn't a factor in that equation.

Cycloptichorn

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As Cyclops has touched upon by saying "When making a higher profit outweighs providing a valuable service to the society around you, you have reached the point of greed."

Included in this general statement is what has happened to the middle class during the past six years. Although productivity has been increasing, most of the benefits were given to the CEOs and other officers with very little benefit given to the workers. That's not only greed, but unethical to the extreme. The ratio of CEO pay increased substantially while pay for the "average" middle class worker lost ground after factoring in inflation.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

It isn't as if oil companies are doing you and me some sort of favor by pumping the stuff out of the ground. Far from it.

Cycloptichorn

Obvious disagreement here, cyclops. They obviously are doing all of us a big favor. And even though you may not have a car, they are doing you big favors by providing the energy necessary to heat and power your residence, and help the manufacture and production of countless products you use and consume to live they life you do. In fact, this is more than a favor. It is absolutely essential. Unless you decide to go live in a cave somewhere, I suggest you face the reality of how essential energy is. So far, I don't think there is a viable alternative to completely replacing fossil fuels as an energy source. I have confidence that further discoveries and technological advancement will fill the void as the needs present themselves, but the free market is essential in being able to accomplish this.

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Fan belts
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Antifreeze
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Lipstick
Ice cube trays
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Plywood adhesive
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Ballpoint pens
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Golf bags
Caulking
Tape recorders
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Dashboards
Putty
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Skis
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LP records
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cicerone imposter wrote:

As Cyclops has touched upon by saying "When making a higher profit outweighs providing a valuable service to the society around you, you have reached the point of greed."

Included in this general statement is what has happened to the middle class during the past six years. Although productivity has been increasing, most of the benefits were given to the CEOs and other officers with very little benefit given to the workers. That's not only greed, but unethical to the extreme. The ratio of CEO pay increased substantially while pay for the "average" middle class worker lost ground after factoring in inflation.

Making high profits is a service to society, perhaps contrary to what some idiot professor may have told you. Without profits, nobody would buy the stock or invest in the business. Without profits, no research or more development monies would be expended on projects that offer only potential instead of profit. Without profits, the business would go broke and go out of business and you would no longer have the product you want to buy.

The inequity of CEO pay is an issue, but arises out of the board of directors and possibly even the shareholders indirectly not managing the business properly, and such practice will also lead to a very unsuccessful company in the long run, so this is a problem that competition will fix with time. Such businesses eventually fail, and the better run ones will take their place.

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