Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

Sunny morning. Bookstore door is unlocked and a gentleman enters and heads to the front counter.

"Yes, sir, can I help you?"

"I'm looking for the "Treatise on an Open Mind" by foxfyre"

"Oh yes, that's a favorite. Just go down the aisle passing "History" and "Logic" and you'll be at the "Composting" section. You'll find it on the bottom row right between "The Compassionate Torturer's Handbook" and "Hermann Goering - Delight of Dusseldorf".

I think Foxfyre is a very well common sense reasoned opinion here. Better than yours, cyclops!

Okie writes

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it is he complaining about the dire consequences of man-caused global warming, not me, so it seems it would be incumbent on him to do something about it. Simple common sense reasoning is all this is, if you can grasp it.

This is the thing isn't it? I don't believe a single signatory to the Kyoto Accord has accomplished or even nearly accomplished their assigned goals to reduce greenhouse emissions, yet they insist that the U.S. do so. Not one is willing to do what is necessary to eliminate human generated greenhouse gas emissions (nor should they), but condemn those who won't agree to do what apparently is not reasonable to do. Further some of the world's worst culprits in greenhouse gas emissions are exempted from the plan at all.

However, should it be determined that elimination of human generated greenhouse gasses is necessary, I am never one to say that something can't be done just because nobody has every done it. I think humankind will solve the problem just as they have solved many other seemingly insurmountable problems in the past. But it would go a long way to working together to move in the right direction if there was more acknowledgment of the present realities and a lot less hypocrisy by those who don't seem to want to acknowledge them.

(P.S., the other component in the bus vs hummer analogy, if that hummer is hauling six folks to work every morning, even at some distance, it is more efficient that each of the six driving their own Honda Civic to work. There are many more factors to consider than Civic = good; Hummer = bad. That has to be factored into the long distance commute on the bus vs the 1 mile commute by hummer, too.)

But according to what one engineer in the business told me recently, it requires twice the greenhouse gas emitting energy to produce the hydrogen as it does to produce the equivalent mileage in gasoline.

Come on cyclops, she is only quoting a conversation with an engineer. If you doubt the information, which is given in total honesty, go refute it with some link you can find. I tend to think the assertion makes sense, cyclops, because common sense tells us it takes electricity to convert water to hydrogen, and if its done with coal or natural gas, could very well cause alot of greenhouse gas.

And the information about Albuquerque is totally right. It is too spread out for mass transit to work very well.

Come on cyclops, she is only quoting a conversation with an engineer. If you doubt the information, which is given in total honesty, go refute it with some link you can find. I tend to think the assertion makes sense, cyclops, because common sense tells us it takes electricity to convert water to hydrogen, and if its done with coal or natural gas, could very well cause alot of greenhouse gas.

And the information about Albuquerque is totally right. It is too spread out for mass transit to work very well.

My above statement is presented as opinion. You are free to disagree with it; if I wanted to state it as a categorical fact, I would have provided supporting evidence, which I didn't care to do.

To Cyclop: Whether I got 'my ass handed to me or not" is another statement of fact I suppose you think is not necessary to back up.

The fact remains that nobody makes these wild accusations and 'statements of fact" more than you do and probably few members back them up less than you do.

And based on your own statement, you don't feel any compulsion to do so.

I recommend that all members maintain a level of civility and allow reasonable discussion pertinent to a topic to proceed.

Other than that, I don't know what else to do other than adhere to and/or resume my personal policy of not feeding the trolls, not arguing with idiots, and not engaging in exercises of futility.

The fact remains Cyclops, as I demonstrated with your own words, is that you don't practice what you preach (i.e. rant about). If you're going to call somebody an idiot, you really should be prepared to back it up with something other than your opinion. Otherwise you really do look like one.

My above statement is presented as opinion. You are free to disagree with it; if I wanted to state it as a categorical fact, I would have provided supporting evidence, which I didn't care to do.