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Global Warming...New Report...and it ain't happy news

 
 
McTag
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 10:47 am
Cuban Jazz in Canada in wintertime, sounds good.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 10:51 am
HofT wrote:
McTag - as someone observed fact is necessarily stranger than fiction because fiction has to follow rules of verisimilitude and fact doesn't.

Before my firewall forces me into another disappearing act here's a cautionary tale from the mathematical modelling front:
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"The model used by Mickley and her colleagues incorporates things such as the sun's luminosity, topography of the planet, the distribution of the oceans, the pull of gravity and the tilt of the Earth's axis, as well as predicted warming.

They fed in gradually increased levels of greenhouse gases at rates projected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. What they found surprised them. "
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=515445
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What they found would surprise anybody who doesn't remember Rule 1 of modelling, to wit, GIGO (garbage in garbage out). That's one little-noted danger of generalized acceptance of the IPCC projections.


Hey Helen, about the last bit; wasn't one of the things about the latest results publicised in San Diego the fact that two independent models (one British, one in CA) had surprising correlation between them?
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 20 Feb, 2005 10:53 am
we need some "hot sounds' - minus 13 C at 10 am this morning. will bundle up and go for a walk in beautiful sunshine before 'jazzing it up'. hbg
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HofT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 08:46 am
McTag - sorry not familiar with the 2 models you mention.

Blatham - sorry to hear about your friend; no, I never met her, but in 1990 I was working in Potsdam, then Berlin, trying to make sense of the accounting of thousands of ex- East German companies whose liabilities were the assets of the ex- East German Central Bank.

I had never come across Communist accounting before and there were moments of great hilarity each time I tried to discover what was included in "Sonstige Aktiva" (other assets) and was sternly told: "We can't tell you, they're classified!"

Hamburger - the massive cleanup costs required around most factories especially in areas like Halle would seem to require some dampening of your optimism in re Chinese pollution. At least the East Germans unlike the Chinese had no ocean downwind.

OK, back to my clerk's activities - will look in again in March.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 23 Feb, 2005 09:19 am
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OK, back to my clerk's activities - will look in again in March.
smooch
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 03:34 am
More British Isles in store, but less Britain- perhaps.

http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=710322005
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 09:50 am
Blatham

I know you mean well and have great concern about the future of our planet but quite frankly I believe most of the global warming problem is caused by the "hot air" expelled by Democratic Senators, Grand Cyclops Byrd, Chapaquidick Kennedy, Vietnam "hero" Kerry, and Dickhead Durbin.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 09:53 am
You think those persons, you named there, have influenced nearly the whole world (outsite) the USA in their way?
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:12 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
You think those persons, you named there, have influenced nearly the whole world (outsite) the USA in their way?


Shocked Don't you?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:23 pm
Actually, to be serious and falling in your trap, I don't think one single scientist looked at their "hot air" but they worked independendly.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:38 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Actually, to be serious and falling in your trap, I don't think one single scientist looked at their "hot air" but they worked independendly.


Laughing Actually Walter, you raise a very good point..........I think we should call for a scientific inquiry to consider installing an air cooling valve at the top of the Capital building (where all hot air must exit). It might enhance global cooling and you might receive a nobel prize for thinking outside the parameters of conventional thought.........atta boy Walter.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 01:40 pm
Some three years past, Bush's own science council publicly released a statement saying that the scientific consensus, including their own, was that global warming was real and that human activity was the most likely cause. Since then, the consensus has moved even further in the direction of this thesis.

In the meanwhile, the petroleum industry has spent many many millions on PR campaigns attempting to do all they might to resist public appreciation of the problem and to convince governments to do nothing much but further the status quo - for reasons that are really nothing at all but criminally self-interested.

Even Tony Blair's government thinks that the Bush administration (ripe to bursting with oil industry connections) is acting with what is criminal shortsightedness.

I understand you were simply making a gag, but I think this issue is exactly as funny as Americans taking up torture.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 02:00 pm
rayban1 wrote:
Blatham

I know you mean well and have great concern about the future of our planet but quite frankly I believe most of the global warming problem is caused by the "hot air" expelled by Democratic Senators, Grand Cyclops Byrd, Chapaquidick Kennedy, Vietnam "hero" Kerry, and Dickhead Durbin.


This is hardly the forum to air partisan, parochial drivel like this...as if American domestic politics were relevant here.

You will no doubt not be too troubled to learn that about 99% of world informed opinion disagrees with you and your colossus of a president.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 04:14 pm
McTag wrote:
You will no doubt not be too troubled to learn that about 99% of world informed opinion disagrees with you and your colossus of a president.


Those are ugly words, and you McTag will no doubt not be too troubled to learn that anyone reading those words would consider you to be an ill-mannered arse who, were it not for America, our fathers and grandfathers, would be clicking your heels and and giving the Heil Hitler Salute, instead of insulting us.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 05:35 pm
rayban1 wrote:
McTag wrote:
You will no doubt not be too troubled to learn that about 99% of world informed opinion disagrees with you and your colossus of a president.


Those are ugly words, and you McTag will no doubt not be too troubled to learn that anyone reading those words would consider you to be an ill-mannered arse who, were it not for America, our fathers and grandfathers, would be clicking your heels and and giving the Heil Hitler Salute, instead of insulting us.



Pshaw... there is an ill-mannered arse here, but it is not McTag.

Your ugly, self-congratulatory tone is disgusting. Get over it, Rayban, you live on this warming globe as well and you'll burn just as we all will. God knows, the Republicans won't be helping you.

But worse, you insult more than just non-Americans with your pathetic patriotic drivel. I am sick to death of hearing this pitiful excuse about heel-clicking and saluting as a reason you can act like a bully online. My family is filled.... literally filled.... with military men who fought in every war from the American War in Viet Nam to the American Revolution. NONE of whom felt the need to beat their chests as you are doing. If you were a true patriot, then you'd know better. You insult me and my family and friends with your nonsense.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 10:26 pm
Damn.....I think I just ran into the queen of the Chain saw murderers gang. What did you say your name was (as I dial 911)?

Man.....I'll bet you keep a couple of chain saws in the trunk of your car. You must have moved to Wash with the Microsoft bunch.......Wash used to be a nice quiet state.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:41 pm
American intervention in Europe in the Second World War did not "save" England. Such a statement is either indicative of profound historical stupidity, or a dull-witted inability to appreciate the situation in Europe in 1941. What was left of the German surface fleet in 1941 could not have challenged the Royal Navy even if concentrated. If concentrated, in fact, it would have been an easier target to take out. One by one, Germany's naval assets were destroyed or neutralized by January of 1944.

Her airforce was crippled by Hitler's idiotic obsession with terror bombing. By 1941, neither Britain nor Germany had the long range, heavy pay-load bombers necessary to have a telling influence on the industries of their enemies. Germany's deployment of the V series rockets had a profound influence on English morale in the closing stages of the war--but it was not ever going to be a decisive factor in any attempt to destroy England's ability to make war. The United States was able to deploy, by early 1944, long-range, heavy pay-load bombers with sufficient self-defense firepower, that when accompanied by the Mustang as escort, it was feasible to make relatively accurate daylight raids. This was decisive, however, not as the crucial factor in the eventual defeat of Germany, which was foreordained when that idiot Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. Daylight precision bombing was decisive for the role which the United States did in fact play.

And that was to assure that the western nations of the alliance--the United States, Great Britain, Canada and the Free French--reached Paris and then the Rhine before the Russians did. Germany was going down, and going down at an ever accelerating pace. American intervention in Europe was crucial not to assuring the defeat of Germany, but the rate at which it was accomplished. England was safe--but it was the continent, from western Germany to the Pyrenees, which was spared a Soviet occupation.

Not only does a comment which suggests that Americans saved England from the Nazis display poor taste and no manners--it displays profound ignorance.
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2005 11:42 pm
Cheers, Piffka. If Rayban wants to take the credit for saving the world from Hitler, good luck to him. It is not the only delusion he suffers under.

Most of your countrymen who are familiar with my posts know, it is not the country, its institutions nor its history with which I take issue.
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rayban1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 09:18 am
Setanta wrote:
Not only does a comment which suggests that Americans saved England from the Nazis display poor taste and no manners--it displays profound ignorance.


Pifka
The above from our resident "gentleman" historian and the sanctimonious crap you unloaded on me would indicate to even a "casual" reader, that to call me the "bully" of the forum is like calling Neville Chamberlain the "Bully" of World War II

Pifka wrote:
But worse, you insult more than just non-Americans with your pathetic patriotic drivel. I am sick to death of hearing this pitiful excuse about heel-clicking and saluting as a reason you can act like a bully online. My family is filled.... literally filled.... with military men who fought in every war from the American War in Viet Nam to the American Revolution. NONE of whom felt the need to beat their chests as you are doing. If you were a true patriot, then you'd know better. You insult me and my family and friends with your nonsense.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2005 09:23 am
rayban1 wrote:

The above from our resident "gentleman" historian and the sanctimonious crap you unloaded on me would indicate to even a "casual" reader, that to call me the "bully" of the forum is like calling Neville Chamberlain the "Bully" of World War II


I suppose, a "casual" reader would have questions about your health - Chamberlain died in October 1940.
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