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THE MEANING OF OZ - All you need to know!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 8 Sep, 2012 06:34 pm
@hingehead,
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Apoplexy

I thought Apoplexy might be the username of some Oz A2Ker whose path I'd never crossed! Razz
You had me scratching my head there for a bit.
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Bootlace
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 12:43 pm
Well, the ugly face of islam rears it's nasty head in Sydney. Children carrying banners demanding beheadings ...
Teaching children this sort of behavior is nothing short of child abuse.
The irony is that these protestors demand "respect", something which they don't show others.
If there are any " moderate" muslims they are sorely outnumbered.
It's about time these people who incite and carry out violent acts were incarcerated for lengthy periods to ponder their acts.
Law abiding, peaceful Australians are fed up with this rabble and their behavior.
Peaceful protests are welcome, violent, law breaking ones are not.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/police-use-pepper-spray-on-anti-islamic-film-protesters-in-sydney-at-the-us-consulate/story-fndo1uez-1226474744811
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Bootlace
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 01:57 pm
Had to laugh at the irony displayed by one protestor.
He was berating police for denying him the " Right to Free Speech"
And what was he protesting ? You guessed it, the " Right to Free Speech"
Well people, get used to it, because this is the price of a "Multicultural Society" and violent protest is the culture of this group.
margo
 
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Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2012 04:46 pm
I'm a long time travel tart - and travel lead me to the New York Times (still get their weekly travel news!) and then Abuzz, which used to have a really good travel section.

And then I found "Digressions" - such erudite comment; such good fun! And Moondoggy! (and his fart-proof undies) and Debacle..and those other funsters. I was there (and here) for fun only - politics you can keep!

I still have some of the great Abuzz threads saved on my work computer - for those times when both people and drug information are giving me the creeps!
hingehead
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 01:53 am
@Bootlace,
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Well people, get used to it, because this is the price of a "Multicultural Society" and violent protest is the culture of this group.


You wear your bigotry on your sleeve don't you Bootlace?

Every islamic community group has come out and publicly slammed the violence. The NSW premier and the prime minister have also sung from the same sheet. If you were handling the media we'd have vigilante death squads and cronulla riots all over the metropolitan area.

Some of the protester's actions were criminal and will be dealt with by the courts. Start tarring all muslims as extremists or looneys and you give the average muslim no other choice than to realise they aren't part of our society and we have no place for them. Do you get it? It doesn't solve anything, it makes it worse.

Imagine is some fuckwit aussie descrated muslim graves with 'Australia, love it or leave it' - you'd expect the muslim community to show restraint because clearly it's not all australians, just a few nutjobs. Well it cuts both ways.

Your barely contained glee at this story as an 'I told you so' moment disgusts me.

How many muslims do you know?
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 16 Sep, 2012 06:40 pm
@hingehead,
Well said, hinge.
I've been really impressed with the Muslim Community leaders who have spoken out so strongly against the violence which occurred at the Sydney demonstration.
They have clearly said "not in our name" to the minority who instigated the violence & carried offensive placards .... & also to the broad Australian community.
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 03:02 am
@msolga,
On them! They done good.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 17 Sep, 2012 03:22 am
@margo,
Hi there, margo.

I just realized. Idea
You're responding to hinge's question about how we found our way to Abuzz & A2K.

Just curious ... which Abuzz threads have you saved?
I might even remember a few of them!
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Bootlace
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 01:23 pm
@hingehead,
Well hingehead, I tell it like it is. You don't live in the real world if you can't see what's happening. Take the rose coloured glasses off. Look outside the box.
I don't know where you are coming from with Australians desecrating muslim graves. Perhaps you are getting confused with the Australian war graves that are being desecrated by muslims ? Aussies showed restrain .... there were not violent protests, actually no protests at all.
Of course the islamic community has come out and slammed the violence, but are they fair dinkum ? The mufti will tell you that it's ok to lie to infidels. Doesn't actually instill confidence does it?
Your attitude of sit back, say nothing and do nothing is exactly what these violent protests are designed to do. It makes the public and politicians **** scared to do or say anything to upset them.
As I said before, this is the price of your precious multicultural society.
And yes, I told you so. ( And I dare say it won't be the last )
There will never be assimilation while one section of the community demands special treatment.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 03:29 pm
From Greenpeace this morning.
Industrialization of The Great Barrier Reef for coal exports.
Very worrying.
Watch the video (link below) to find out more :

Quote:
The Great Barrier Reef is on the brink of being turned into an industrial zone, with huge new coal ports and shipping routes waiting to be approved. These developments are the result of plans to rapidly increase Australia’s coal exports. The coal will be mined in Queensland’s Galilee Basin and shipped overseas via the Great Barrier Reef.

A new Greenpeace investigation has revealed the full damage these new coal mines would have if they go ahead. The Galilee Basin mines threaten our World Heritage Reef ...

Australia’s biggest contribution to global warming is our coal exports. As plans progress to rapidly increase our coal exports, just yesterday the Arctic ice sheet melted to its lowest point on record; the result of an increasingly warming climate. ......

Greenpeace’s investigative findings:

There are nine mega coal mines proposed here, five of which would be bigger than any mine currently operating in Australia.

If the coal from the Galilee mines is burned, it would produce over 700 million tonnes of carbon pollution a year – that’s bigger than the entire fossil fuel emissions of Australia, the UK or Canada.

These mines are the single biggest driver of industrialising the Great Barrier Reef. A series of coal ports are planned to be built and expanded, millions of tonnes of sea floor will be dredged and up to 10 000 coal ships will travel through World Heritage Area. .....


From Greenpeace:
http://news.greenpeace.org.au/rp//1238/process.clsp?EmailId=1000055113&Token=20AC65D305D9BD179C9F6CA973FFDFC5D

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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 20 Sep, 2012 06:23 pm
@Bootlace,
Rose coloured glasses? Better that than your white blindfold.

Show me the descrated war graves in Turkey (a muslim country with an islamic govt) and WE ATTACKED THEM.

How old are you? I've assumed you're at least my age. How can you forget that the vietnamese reffos were going to overrun us, or the wogs, or those chinese miners, or those pesky english settlers?

That Pauline Hanson had some good ideas, heh?

I have no doubt there are muslims as bigoted/ignorant/intolerant/shallow small picutre thinking/isolationist as you - it's the mindset that's the problem, nothing else.

Oh and in reference to Joe(Can't think of anything)Nation's thread about would you post what you say on A2K under your real name - in this case; yes I would.
Bootlace
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 03:19 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Rose coloured glasses? Better that than your white blindfold.

Show me the descrated war graves in Turkey (a muslim country with an islamic govt) and WE ATTACKED THEM.

Where did Turkey come into this thread ? Actually I was thinking of the desecration of war graves in Libia . If thats how they want to behave in their own country, that's fine.

How old are you? I've assumed you're at least my age. How can you forget that the vietnamese reffos were going to overrun us, or the wogs, or those chinese miners, or those pesky english settlers?

My age ? Why does it bug you ? You have asked me this before. You assumed I was at least your age but you don't mention your age, not that I am curious. I don't recall any of the above groups rioting in our streets because they were offended about something.

That Pauline Hanson had some good ideas, heh?

Yes she had some good ideas and also some radical ones that I didn't agree with. Her popularity scared the dickens out of the establishment. The retalliation was swift and brutal. They even managed to get her in jail.

I have no doubt there are muslims as bigoted/ignorant/intolerant/shallow small picutre thinking/isolationist as you - it's the mindset that's the problem, nothing else.

So these are the names you have called me so far in this thread ...
Bigoted
ignorant
intolerant
shallow
small picture thinking
isolationist
And of course msolga would add " racist " because she confuses race with religion.
I believe I haven't reverted to name calling, but I guess you are just using your right to free speech as I am using mine.


Oh and in reference to Joe(Can't think of anything)Nation's thread about would you post what you say on A2K under your real name - in this case; yes I would.
I really don't understand what you are on about with reference to Joe Nation.
Do you want me to publish under my real name ? Is that what you are on about ?
If so, why is that important ? I suspect "hingehead" is not your real name.
You have said nothing in this thread to cause me to alter my views. of course If I don't see things as you do, I am bigoted in your eyes.

hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 07:37 pm
@Bootlace,
I don't expect you to change your mind. You barely have one from what I've seen Twisted Evil . For example - my entire point is that you are tarring all muslims with same brush. You say they desecrate war graves. I say they don't in Turkey. You exclaim 'Where did Turkey come from? I'm talking Libya! (spelt badly)'. So you make a distinction there, but everywhere else it's 'they're all the same'.

You call it name calling. Well how would you describe some that thinks a quarter of the world's population is a monobloc of reactionary insanity because of its religion - based on the actions of how many? Tens here? Did you ever consider how many muslims didn't protest?

I could get all psychological and call you a 'concrete thinker' - everything is simple black and white, yes/no.

Joe Nation posed the question whether we would post exactly the same things if we weren't anonymous. I said I thought I would in most cases but I might tone it down for politeness. In this case I won't. I reiterate, your opinions on this matter are unimpressive and unsurprising. Your apparent inability to see anything more than the superficial and react knee jerkily makes me think you listen to Alan Jones and went to the rally against carbon tax. Even your Hanson apologism provides me with good reason to pigeon hole you - but unlike you I'm pigeonholing one person based on what they say - not an entire community based on the actions of a few.

Do you know any muslims? (you ignored that question)

I'm 50 by the way. I have muslim friends. My mother was a german refugee but I have no language or culture from her. I come from a working class background. I worked in a factory for five years. I worked with a guy like you. Not a bad man. But unable to see outside himself and unwilling to expose himself to accept any opinions but his own and unwilling to form his opinions with broad evidence. He used to give blood. Until the HIV scares. That made no sense to me, and he wouldn't be argued with. He was content to live in the box of his own ignorance.

God I'm waffling. Sorry about that. Sorry you think the way you do.
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 09:37 pm
@Bootlace,
Oh, and if you're interested in telling us whether you'd state what you say on these boards under your own name here's Joe's thread: http://able2know.org/topic/197406-1
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 09:39 pm
@Bootlace,
Double PS

Remember the vietnamese took over cabramatta and sold heroin and were all members of the triads. The italians were mafia drug lords - when they weren't stealing our business or undercutting them. Don't get me started on the yugoslavs Rolling Eyes
Bootlace
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 11:28 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

I don't expect you to change your mind. You barely have one from what I've seen Twisted Evil . For example - my entire point is that you are tarring all muslims with same brush. You say they desecrate war graves. I say they don't in Turkey. You exclaim 'Where did Turkey come from? I'm talking Libya! (spelt badly)'. So you make a distinction there, but everywhere else it's 'they're all the same'.
Actually, it was you, hingehead, who first brought up about war graves in Turkey, not me.
Not knowing what you were on about, I replied that war graves were desecrated in Libia. (sic) Thank you for correcting me on that. I apologize for not correcting your grammar regarding capitalization in your previous post and this one.
I have enormous respect for Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. A great man.
So just stick to the facts and don't let your fertile imagination run away.


You call it name calling. Well how would you describe some that thinks a quarter of the world's population is a monobloc of reactionary insanity because of its religion - based on the actions of how many? Tens here? Did you ever consider how many muslims didn't protest?
As I said before, it is everyone's right to protest peacefully. Pick up any newspaper from around the world and see the violent demonstrations and the placard holders threatening beheading and other forms of atrocities and notice which religion is involved. The general public has had a gutful of this rabble demanding special privileges and treatment. I am exercising my right to free speech and if you don't like it, too ******* bad.

I could get all psychological and call you a 'concrete thinker' - everything is simple black and white, yes/no.
Concrete thinking is seen in those who are unable to generalise, but didn't you just accuse me of generalising earlier?

Joe Nation posed the question whether we would post exactly the same things if we weren't anonymous. I said I thought I would in most cases but I might tone it down for politeness. In this case I won't.
Won't tone it down or won't relinquish your anonymity? I guess the latter.
I reiterate, your opinions on this matter are unimpressive and unsurprising. Your apparent inability to see anything more than the superficial and react knee jerkily makes me think you listen to Alan Jones and went to the rally against carbon tax. Even your Hanson apologism provides me with good reason to pigeon hole you - but unlike you I'm pigeonholing one person based on what they say - not an entire community based on the actions of a few.
So you suffer from "concrete thinking" with regards to Alan Jones, carbon tax, and Hanson ?
With regards to Hanson, you say you pigeon holed her but by default, the rest of her supporters are ok ? Your words :-

but unlike you I'm pigeonholing one person based on what they say - not an entire community based on the actions of a few.
Do you know any muslims? (you ignored that question)
Yes I do, and all the males carry knives too. They might be model citizens, but they will do as they are told by their spiritual leader and they will freely tell you this.

I'm 50 by the way. I have muslim friends. My mother was a german refugee but I have no language or culture from her. I come from a working class background. I worked in a factory for five years. I worked with a guy like you. Not a bad man. But unable to see outside himself and unwilling to expose himself to accept any opinions but his own and unwilling to form his opinions with broad evidence. He used to give blood. Until the HIV scares. That made no sense to me, and he wouldn't be argued with. He was content to live in the box of his own ignorance.
Unfortunately you don't see the irony in your physiological evaluation of your work mate. You have described yourself perfectly .
“unwilling to expose himself to accept any opinions but his own and unwilling to form his opinions with broad evidence"
I suggest that there is plenty of “broad evidence” from around the world that you should consider.
God I'm waffling. Sorry about that. Sorry you think the way you do.
Don't feel sorry because one day you will realise that there are people who think differently from you for a variety of reasons. Maybe they have a broader experience than you do.
Bootlace
 
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Reply Fri 21 Sep, 2012 11:33 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Double PS

Remember the vietnamese took over cabramatta and sold heroin and were all members of the triads. The italians were mafia drug lords - when they weren't stealing our business or undercutting them. Don't get me started on the yugoslavs Rolling Eyes


My goodness, you do go off on a tangent don't you. I don't remember any of those people rioting in the street demanding special treatment and assaulting police and calling for be-headings.
Your fertile imagination is working overtime time again hingehead.
Take a bex and have a good lie down.
hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 12:41 am
@Bootlace,
To do condescending right you have to at least appear to have some intelligence.

I love that you're doing the bex and lie down to me when you think a stupid protest is going to bring on civil war.

You do talk some crap, dearie.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 01:05 am
@Bootlace,
Quote:
Quote:
Do you know any muslims? (you ignored that question)

Yes I do, and all the males carry knives too. They might be model citizens, but they will do as they are told by their spiritual leader and they will freely tell you this

I think you are talking through your hat.

I think you live in Queensland, yes, Bootlace?
Could you at least identify what must be some incredible hot spot, where ALL of the males carry knives! Where is this place, exactly?
You don't have to identify yourself, but I would really like to know where this danger spot is!

Let me tell you something: I live in the inner-north of Melbourne. The suburb I live in (Coburg) has a large percentage of Muslims in our population make-up. Also, as a teacher, I have taught in many schools with high Muslim populations for 20+ years. Muslims of all sorts. Turkish, Lebanese, Syrian, Afghan, Indian, etc, etc ...

Never once, in many, many years here, have I witnessed any sort of knife provocation. Never once have I felt unsafe because there are so many Muslims in my community. Traders, neighbours, students, parents, what-ever ...

So what is so different about where you live, that you hold the views you hold? Please tell us the location of this dangerous place you live in, where all the Muslim men carry knives! And who, exactly, are the "spiritual leaders" of these knife-carrying Muslims in your community?

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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 01:25 am
@Bootlace,
Ooh I didn't see your long reply, only the one to the second PS. Good lord you are an idiot.

It's so freaking long I won't bore you with a refutation for every point you make. But:
Quote:
Concrete thinking is seen in those who are unable to generalise, but didn't you just accuse me of generalising earlier?

Concrete thinking is exactly the opposite - generalisation is king and shades of grey are taboo.

Quote:
I am exercising my right to free speech and if you don't like it, too ******* bad.


When have I said you can't express your opinion? I'm just telling you why I think your opinion is ****. Don't like it? Too ******* bad. Yay, I'm down to your level of discourse.

On a more trivial note
Quote:
in your physiological evaluation

This sort of thing makes me think you aren't the full quid. Sort of a Spendius/Omsigdavid.

If you have broader experience share it with us. Almost everything you say and quote smells of angry white man. Clearly your experience has given you more vitriol than wisdom.
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