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Reconciling Schrödinger's Cat with the Principle of Explosion

 
 
fresco
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2017 11:53 am
@Glennn,
No. I didn't miss it and I object to your use of the word 'belief'. I am consequently terminating this conversation.
Glennn
 
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Reply Fri 27 Oct, 2017 12:33 pm
@fresco,
Objection noted, and termination acknowledged.
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cameronleon
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 09:12 am
I think Glennn is correct when participants must hold their emotions against others and try to concentrate more in the topic in question.

able2know has lots of topics in which the discussion of the past world war can be discussed, like the forum of history.

The point I'm making about finding a "contradiction" is the only option given for the cat to die or keep alive in the thought experiment Schrödinger's Cat.

The dead or alive status is acceptable, because a stroke in the cat can cause part of its body not responding anymore but still is alive.

However, the poison gas is not the only cause for the cat to die. As I stated before, the cat died because a heart attack.

The cat can die by injuring itself with part of the mechanism inside and die because bleeding without stop.

Or, it can be alive because even when the poison gas was triggered, the system malfunctioned.

Then, expecting the cat dead or alive because the release or not releasing of the gas poison is a kind of contradictory status when there are several other causes which weren't included for the final status of the dead or survival of the cat.

Quantum Mechanics dudes never thought about it.
barmpot
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 03:16 pm
@cameronleon,
There's no empirical evidence supporting those first two words of your post 'I think'.
This renders the rest of the post 'word salad' despite the pretty double line spacing.
cameronleon
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 06:37 pm
@barmpot,
Quote:
There's no empirical evidence supporting those first two words of your post 'I think'.
This renders the rest of the post 'word salad' despite the pretty double line spacing.


I think... I mean... no doubt that your message has been motivated by emotion.

Until today, nobody found the contradictory error in the Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment when it assumed the gas poison as the only cause for the cat to die inside the box.

You should give me thanks and kiss my big toe like Democrats must do with our beloved president Trump because he liberated us from Mrs. Clinton, whom we now know she should be the worst president of the US by her weird reactions in front of aggressive environment.

I have discovered the fault in Schrödinger's Cat, and this discovery makes me be in a position over the whole theory itself.

So, don't hate me because I'm beautiful...







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browser32
 
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Reply Sat 28 Oct, 2017 07:52 pm
@fresco,
fresco wrote:
The reason QM is deemed 'counter-intuitive' is that it departs from such classical logic.


I do not believe. It doesn't even make sense for something "to depart from classical logic." Just because Quantum Mechanics follows "quantum logic," doesn't mean Quantum Mechanics doesn't follow classical logic.
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 12:34 am
@browser32,
Your last post is clearly garbage since I have cited a quotation giving at least one specific aspect of the difference.
If others are prepared to waste their time playing talky games with you, that's their problem.
browser32
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 10:02 am
@fresco,
I read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_logic#Differences_with_classical_logic, which you previously quoted. If (p and q) or (p and r) = false, then p and (q or r) = false as well. The alleged incompatibility does not exist. The first paragraph of the entire Wikipedia article for which I linked a section suggests the inconsistency is only apparent, and may not be real. I do not believe it is real.
fresco
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 11:56 am
@browser32,
Of course you don't 'believe it'. You have built a whole edifice of self publicity based on a naive view that ' classical logic' is the foundation of semantics. Philosophers of language and psycholinguists, of whom you appear to have no knowledge, disagree with that. The naive realistic view, that 'things' exist independent of the acts of observation which evoke them, is indicated by that twaddle about 'unfound things' on your website. Sorry, but to a Brit like me, its a typical example of a 'full of himself Yank' with a limited education and an ego problem.

End of Message.
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 01:29 pm
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 01:37 pm
More, the notion of "embodied language":

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 02:14 pm
Frack I go for an hat trick:

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 02:22 pm
Now more seriously because pompous idiots deserve the full treat:

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 06:22 pm
On a side note:

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 29 Oct, 2017 06:49 pm
fresco
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2017 01:01 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
Thankyou for the entertainment. !
cameronleon
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2017 07:49 am
The whole entertainment from above won't distract from the fact that Quantum Mechanics Schrödinger's Cat thought experiment has a huge failure:

The causes for the possibility of the cat to die are more than just the poison gas inside the box.

Your humble servant cameronleon discovered the failure right here in these forums.

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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Mon 30 Oct, 2017 10:15 am
@fresco,
Nah...you welcome but you still the king around. Credit where credit its due! Wink
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AngleWyrm-paused
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2017 04:31 am
@browser32,
Schrödinger's Cat is a conveyance of the notion of mixed strategies. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_(game_theory)#Mixed_strategy ]

Here is a photo of a hummingbird, who's wings are so fast they occupied a range of places during the time it took to take the picture: https://s6.postimg.org/411ttg77l/hummingbird.jpg

And so we see the lower boundary of resolution of detail. The location of her wings can be described as the volume they traversed, with a probability density function inversely proportional to the transparency visible in the photo.

In the same way we can describe chance events, such as the roll of a pair of dice. The dice will turn up box cars 1/36 of the time, so we can describe it as 1/36 boxcars.
cameronleon
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2017 10:32 am
@AngleWyrm-paused,
Quote:
Schrödinger's Cat is a conveyance of the notion of mixed strategies. [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_(game_theory)#Mixed_strategy ]


What Schrödinger's Cat forgot to consider is about several results which apply to the phenomenon that are out of any prediction ruled by the theory.

You play considering "all strategies" and out comings based on Quantum Mechanics, and at the end the dice barrels end in unexpected setting.
https://us.123rf.com/450wm/pgibbings/pgibbings0702/pgibbings070200032/765063-2-rolling-white-dice.jpg?ver=6

This is to say, when the box was opened the cat was dead... because suffered of a heart attack.



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