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Catalonia wants out; Spain says no

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 1 Nov, 2017 08:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Puigdemont's Belgian lawyer has spoken out in favour of a survey outside Spain. Paul Bekaert told AP that his client would "not travel to Madrid". "I recommended that he will be questioned here in Belgium. That's possible."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 12:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The hearing at the national court in Madrid, which deals with major criminal cases, is to start at 9am and to continue on Friday.
The judge wants to question Puigdemont and 13 others over their efforts to spearhead Catalonia’s independence drive.
(As already said above, Puigdemont will be absent.)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 07:43 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Puigdemont could face an (European) arrest warrant because fails to appear in court to testify over his part in last week’s declaration of independence, the president of Spain’s supreme court said on Thursday. (Carlos Lesmes, president of the supreme court: "When someone doesn’t appear after being cited by a judge to testify, in Spain or any other EU country, normally an arrest warrant is issued.")
Other members of the separatist government began arriving to testify in Madrid early on Thursday morning. The hearing at the national court, which deals with major criminal cases, began at 9am and will continue on Friday.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 09:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Meanwhile, Spain's state prosecutor has requested a European arrest warrant for Puigdemont and four others over their role in a disputed independence referendum.
All five failed to show up at Spain's high court on accusations of rebellion, sedition and misuse of public funds.

Further, the prosecution asked the high court judge to jail under pre-trial detention eight of the nine sacked members who turned up for questioning. They included Deputy Vice President, Oriol Junqueras; Interior Minister, Joaquim Forn; Foreign Affairs Minister, Raül Romeva; and Justice Minister Carles Mundó.
The ninth, Catalonia's former Business Minister Santi Vila, should be granted a 50,000€ ($58,000) bail, prosecutors said. He resigned before the Catalan parliament voted for independence on Friday.

All are yet to be formally charged.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 09:23 am
Truly interesting to follow.'

Thank you for the updates Walter.

They provide good context for the monocle programming when I hear it.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Nov, 2017 12:40 pm
@ehBeth,
This day's (as of now) and the week's (until now) summary, by The Guardian:
Spanish judge jails eight members of deposed Catalan government
Quote:
A judge in Madrid has ordered eight members of the deposed Catalan government to be remanded in custody pending possible charges over last week’s declaration of independence, while Spanish prosecutors are seeking a European arrest warrant for the region’s ousted president, Carles Puigdemont.

On Thursday afternoon, a judge at Spain’s national court jailed the eight former ministers - including Puigdemont’s deputy, Oriol Junqueras - while they are investigated on possible charges of sedition, rebellion and misuse of public funds.

A ninth, who resigned the day before the Catalan parliament voted to declare independence last Friday, can remain at liberty on bail of €50,000.

Puigdemont, who is in Brussels, had been summoned to attend Spain’s national court to give evidence on Thursday and Friday.
[...]
Earlier on Thursday, Puigdemont’s lawyer said that although his client would cooperate with the courts, he intended to remain in Brussels.

“The climate is not good, it is better to take some distance,” Paul Bekaert told Reuters. “If they ask, he will cooperate with Spanish and Belgian justice.

A parallel supreme court session for six Catalan lawmakers was postponed for a week.

Some members of the separatist government had appeared at the national court early on Thursday morning. The hearing, which deals with major criminal cases, began at 9am and will continue on Friday.
[...]
Supporters outside court cheered and shouted: “Freedom, Freedom” and “we are not afraid”.

Across the street, half a dozen protesters with Spanish flags were stopped by police. Addressing the Catalan politicians, they shouted “cowards” and “to jail, to jail.”

In Barcelona, thousands of people rallied outside the Catalan presidential palace on Thursday afternoon in a show of support for the ousted officials.
[...]
But Catalans remain deeply divided about independence, polls indicate.

The international community has swung firmly behind Rajoy, and uncertainty about Catalonia’s future has prompted companies to move their legal headquarters outside the region.

In addition, there are signs of growing divisions in the separatist camp, with many unhappy with Puigdemont and his handling of the situation.
[...]
Fernando Vallespin, a political scientist in Madrid, said he believed Puigdemont, a former journalist, was “more interested in obtaining media attention than escaping justice”.

“It’s a media war. The aim of [the Catalan executive] has been to try and present the Spanish state as an oppressor state and Puigdemont needs to feed this narrative,” he said.

Rajoy has called snap elections for 21 December to replace the Catalan parliament. Puigdemont said he would respect the result and appealed to Madrid to do the same.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 11:32 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
MADRID (Reuters) - Former Catalan president Carles Puigdemont, who left Spain for Belgium after his regional government was sacked, said on Friday he was “ready” to stand in a snap regional election called in Catalonia for Dec. 21.

“I am ready to be a candidate... it’s possible to run a campaign from anywhere,” Puigdemont told Belgian state television RTBF.

“We consider ourselves a legitimate government. There must be a continuity to tell the world what’s going on in Spain... It’s not with a government in jail that the elections will be neutral, independent, normal,” he also said.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Nov, 2017 02:07 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
... and a Madrid High Court judge asked Belgium to arrest Puigdemont and four associates after they ignored a court order to return to Spain on Thursday to answer charges of rebellion, sedition, misuse of public funds, disobedience and breach of trust relating to their secessionist campaign.

Puigdemont’s Belgian lawyer has already said his client will fight extradition without seeking political asylum.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 4 Nov, 2017 12:09 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Some infos about this European Arrest Warrant:
The Belgian prosecution has 24 hours to respond to the European arrest warrant, which is valid for all 28-member states of the EU (= will be a reaction today).
Belgium can initiate the extradition request if the charges are a crime in both EU countries.
The legal process could last up to three months.
Belgium can initiate the extradition request if the charges are a crime in both EU countries - crimes against the federal state such as rebellion and fraud are also punishable in Belgium and, therefore, the extradition is likely to be approved.
Puigdemont's lawer said he would appeal any negative decision, and Puigdemont could apply for political asylum during the extradition process.


The Guardian's report >Crisis over Catalonia – an explainer< gives a summary of what happend until now.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 12:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
More than 40,000 people have rallied in the northern Spanish city of Bilbao in anger at Spain's direct rule of Catalonia. (The Basque Country region has its own separatist movement which for decades turned bloody.)
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 01:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I have already mentioned how the Basque separatists would likely react. ETA may no longer be in operation (or so it is said), but I doubt the Basques have given up their hopes. I'm sure they are watching this situation very closely.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 02:27 am
@Setanta,
Arnaldo Otegi, the polotical leader of the Basque independence movement, had visited the jailed Basque terrorist Mikel Antza in a French prison recently. And according to this source, he's quite engaged in Catalonia as well.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 02:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I can't do the language there--I'll come back later to see if they have an English service (or French) which I can access.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 03:19 am
@Setanta,
El Confidencial is a Spanish-language [I have to use online translators to read it] digital newspaper. It was one of the news outlets participating in the Panama Papers investigation.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 03:39 am
I did see a couple of things in the way of titles that I didn't need to have translated for me. One I really enjoyed was the rubric "Rajoy corruption."
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 07:15 am
@Setanta,
Pro-Catalonia independence parties seen winning most votes in election: poll
Quote:
MADRID/BARCELONA (Reuters) - Pro-Catalonia independence parties will combine for the most votes in regional election in December though may fall just short of a majority needed to revive the secession campaign, two polls showed on Sunday.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy called the Dec. 21 election after firing the previous government and imposing direct rule over the autonomous region following a unilateral declaration of independence by Catalan lawmakers on Oct. 27.

Catalonia’s statehood push has tipped Spain into its worst political crisis since its return to democracy four decades ago as surging pro-secession sentiment in the region has in turn kindled nationalism across the country.

According to the GAD3 survey of 1,233 people conducted between Oct. 30 and Nov. 3 and published in La Vanguardia newspaper, pro-independence parties ERC, PDECat and CUP would take between 66 and 69 seats in the 135-seat parliament.

A second poll taken over the same period for the conservative newspaper La Razon echoed the GAD3 survey, showing pro-independence parties would capture the most votes though still fall just shy of a parliamentary majority with 65 seats.

Voter participation would rise to a record of 83 percent, the GAD3 poll showed.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 07:36 am
@Walter Hinteler,
And the moment, I'd posted the above, news came in that
Carles Puigdemont turns himself in to Belgian police
Quote:
The ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont and four associates have turned themselves in to Belgian police, the Brussels prosecutor’s office has said.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 11:53 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The Belgian examining magistrate must decide within 24 hours - that means by 9:17 local time (08:17 GMT) on Monday morning - whether he will issue an arrest warrant against Puigdemont and his advisers.
The court will then have to verify within 15 days whether it follows the EU arrest warrant. Then, another 15 days remain in which both the public prosecutor's office and the suspects can file an objection. A further 15 days remain to decide on this matter.

Under EU rules, Belgium has 60 days to decide on the extradition. In exceptional cases, a further 30 days may be added - which could even delay the procedure until after the new elections in Catalonia on 21 December.

Puigdemont's Belgian lawyer Paul Bekaert - who already saved suspected terrorists of the Basque ETA from extradition to Spain - wants to challenge the transfer of his client in any case. Observers in Brussels consider it unlikely that it will be successful - but it isn't not ruled out.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 02:22 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
There is increasing criticism in Belgium of the arrest warrant issued by the deposed Catalan regional president Puigdemont.
The Interior Minister Jan Jambon said on VTM Nieuws that Madrid had gone too far. "Where is Europe?", he said. "Beat together peaceful people and put government members in prison. I would like to ask myself about this."
"If the same thing happened in Poland or Hungary, we would get a lot of different reactions."
Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 5 Nov, 2017 02:24 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I wish I could give M. Jambon an up-vote for that comment.
 

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