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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 07:44 pm

Big-Game Hunter Trampled To Death By Elephant He Tried To Shoot
A similar accident occurred in May.
By Elyse Wanshel
Utopia_88 via Getty Images
An elephant trampled a hunter in Namibia this past weekend. Above, a different elephant.

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An elephant in Namibia trampled and killed a man who was part of a hunting group this past weekend, the Associated Press reported, citing the Namibia Press Agency.

Jose Monzalvez, a 46-year-old from Argentina, was on a private hunting trip 43 miles outside of the small town of Kalkfeld when he was killed on Saturday.

The elephant apparently saw the group of professional trophy hunters ― two of whom were Argentine and three Namibian ― from afar and charged the group before they had time to set up, aim and shoot, Namibian media reported.

Police said Monzalvez had a hunting permit and his family has been notified.

Another man was killed in a similar way in May. Theunis Botha, 51, was leading a hunting expedition in South Africa when he accidentally happened upon a breeding herd of elephants. The elephant cows charged at the group, who fired at them. One elephant was killed and then collapsed on top of Botha, crushing him to death.
 
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 07:59 pm
@emmett grogan,
Well it's not like they deserved it. Oh wait . . .
emmett grogan
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 08:07 pm
@Glennn,
Now if only we could arm an elephant.
Glennn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Aug, 2017 08:23 pm
@emmett grogan,
Yeah, but that would make it fair. And if there's one thing cowards hate, it even odds.
emmett grogan
 
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Reply Tue 22 Aug, 2017 01:35 pm
@Glennn,
We'd get a couple of them out of the gene pool at least.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 12:55 am
Liberals are disgusting. Here's hoping an anti-hunter dies from a car-deer accident tonight.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 02:42 am
Wonderful news, one less piece of **** in this World.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 07:36 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Liberals are disgusting

How do you know it's liberals who get their rocks off shooting elephants?
emmett grogan
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 07:41 am
@Glennn,
Don't try to understand him, glennn, his excitement to spout his misconceptions would make it a fool's errand.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 04:30 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
How do you know it's liberals who get their rocks off shooting elephants?

Intentionally misreading posts is a childish way to respond. Shame on you.
Glennn
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 08:17 pm
@oralloy,
Well, assuming I misread your post, then let me just say that supporting cowards who get their rocks off shooting elephants is indicative of something worse than shame.

oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 10:02 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Well, assuming I misread your post, then let me just say that supporting cowards who get their rocks off shooting elephants is indicative of something worse than shame.

Hunting is a legitimate activity that is neither cowardly nor shameful. In fact, the risk involved in hunting dangerous animals like elephants requires considerable bravery.

And when animal populations are not managed, wild animals cause the deaths of innocent humans. It would be OK if anti-hunting activists were the only people who were killed by wild animals. But unfortunately it tends to be ordinary innocent people who die in encounters with wild animals.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sat 26 Aug, 2017 10:23 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Hunting is a legitimate activity that is neither cowardly nor shameful. In
And when animal populations are not managed, wild animals cause the deaths of innocent humans.


There's another argument in favor of big-game hunting. These hunters, who are helping to remove the crazier animals from the herd, often pay exorbitant sums for the right to hunt one animal. That money can then go towards protecting the herd from poachers.

There was a report about it on a show called Radio Lab today.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 12:35 am
@Kolyo,
That's why Cyril was killed was it? You're just repeating propaganda, nothing good comes from these disgusting creatures' action.

Quote:
Mr Rodrigues said Cecil's killing was tragic.

"He never bothered anybody. He was one of the most beautiful animals to look at."

The lion had been "baited" out of the park, a tactic which hunters used to portray their action as legal, Mr Rodrigues said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33674087
roger
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 12:42 am
@Kolyo,
I think you are missing something here, Kolyo. Big game hunters don't thin the herd by killing the weak, the malformed, and sick. They thin out the ones that make the best trophies. Sort of a reverse eugenics program.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 01:00 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
That's why Cyril was killed was it? You're just repeating propaganda, nothing good comes from these disgusting creatures' action.
Quote:
Mr Rodrigues said Cecil's killing was tragic.

"He never bothered anybody. He was one of the most beautiful animals to look at."

The lion had been "baited" out of the park, a tactic which hunters used to portray their action as legal, Mr Rodrigues said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-33674087

As I recall the local guide was breaking several laws. That is not a fair reflection of lawful hunting.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 01:01 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
I think you are missing something here, Kolyo. Big game hunters don't thin the herd by killing the weak, the malformed, and sick. They thin out the ones that make the best trophies. Sort of a reverse eugenics program.

The money they pay to hunt though does help conservation efforts and also local villages. He was right about that.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 05:36 am
Just because this disgusting practice is legal doesn't make it any less reprehensible, plenty of disgusting practices, like slavery, were legal in the past.

This is no different from that, we should not be pandering to the lowlife scum that take pleasure out of abusing such magnificent creatures.
Kolyo
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 10:45 am
@roger,
roger wrote:

Big game hunters don't thin the herd by killing the weak, the malformed, and sick. They thin out the ones that make the best trophies. Sort of a reverse eugenics program.


In the case of poachers you are certainly right. (I would put Cyril's killers in the same category as the poachers even if they found a loophole that allowed them to get away with it.)

But in the case where you hear about someone getting a permit for it, the game wardens decide which animal they want to get rid of. They guide the hunter to that particular animal. In some herds, the older males become very aggressive and kill younger rivals during sparring. Sometimes they force themselves on younger females who aren't ready. In the radio report, two younger animals were killed that way. The game warden, though he said he would never hunt them himself, saw the benefit in allowing the hunts.

According to the radio report, Namibia has been able to increase its black rhino population by 30% through this approach.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2017 01:22 pm
@Kolyo,
Stop trying to persuade the self-righteous that there might be a different take on their orthodoxy.

Radio Lab is a program of NPR and therefore can't be trusted because as we all know NPR is a horrid right-wing network.
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