Etruscia wrote:
Ive got nothing against praying, because to me its just like hoping or meditating, it makes (some) people more hopefull or positive. The only thing that bothers me is when people attribute it to events which happen.
There are so many accounts of miracles. How do you explain miracles?
Kristie wrote:There are so many accounts of miracles. How do you explain miracles?
People (especially those in the miracle business)
want miraculous things to happen. That's like 90% of the miracle, the rest is when something occurs that seems to fit.
Mr Stillwater wrote:Kristie wrote:There are so many accounts of miracles. How do you explain miracles?
People (especially those in the miracle business)
want miraculous things to happen. That's like 90% of the miracle, the rest is when something occurs that seems to fit.
Well, duh... of course people want it to happen. So you are saying that by just wanting it, it happens? Like people who should be dead but aren't? Sheer will kept those "medical marvels" alive? I don't believe in coincidence though, so that is a tough piece for me to chew.
Kristie
What makes you suppose "miracles" happen?
Frank Apisa wrote:Kristie
What makes you suppose "miracles" happen?
I wouldn't so much call them miracles, I guess, in the sense that most people would, since I really do believe that everything that happens is suppose to. I don't necessarily think a divine hand reaches down and makes things happen if that's what you mean. I just know that there are things that happen that we can't account for. Ghosts, accounts of coming back from the dead, etc. Just because we can't explain it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or happen. Perhaps the word miracle is just a term we came up with to describe a scientific process we've yet to discover or something of that nature. We don't fully understand the human body yet.
Phoenix32890 wrote: A real (supposed) miracle cannot be explained scientifically, according to those who believe in them.[/color][/b]
Right. Which is why I suppose I believe in miracles. Lots of things happen that we can't explain. It doesn't make them any less real.
Sorry, Kirstie - I was trying to say that folks are primed to see 'miracles' or miraculous events by the 'miracle business'. Actual divine intervention doesn't take place, it is just labelled as such.
I don't want to shock you, but there is a lot of money to be made from the 'miracle business' and the churches are just a bit happy to rake it in.
Kristie wrote:Frank Apisa wrote:Kristie
What makes you suppose "miracles" happen?
I wouldn't so much call them miracles, I guess, in the sense that most people would, since I really do believe that everything that happens is suppose to. I don't necessarily think a divine hand reaches down and makes things happen if that's what you mean. I just know that there are things that happen that we can't account for. Ghosts, accounts of coming back from the dead, etc. Just because we can't explain it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or happen. Perhaps the word miracle is just a term we came up with to describe a scientific process we've yet to discover or something of that nature. We don't fully understand the human body yet.
Well, I'm not sure I understand your overall point, Kristie.
You were using the term "miracle" in reference to prayers working.
Now you simply seem to be saying that things happen that are not easily explained.
I certainly agree with you that "things happen that are not easily explained". Anyone here can tell you that I feel there are lots and lots of "unknown" things.
But to call those things "miracles" in a discussion about the efficacy of prayer seems a bit of a stretch...and inappropriate. :wink:
Kristie wrote:Phoenix32890 wrote: A real (supposed) miracle cannot be explained scientifically, according to those who believe in them.[/color][/b]
Right. Which is why I suppose I believe in miracles. Lots of things happen that we can't explain. It doesn't make them any less real.
Then again sometimes they are explained!
God's Frequency is 39.17 Mhz.
I didn't answer the poll since I don't pray. I wouldn't know who to pray (or beg) to. Sorry, I can't answer this poll.
bigdice67 wrote:I didn't answer the poll since I don't pray. I wouldn't know who to pray (or beg) to. Sorry, I can't answer this poll.
You can always pray to me, BD. And I accept money gifts also. :wink:
GOD is real and he did give as only son to pay for are sin's JESUS see throw your heart! GOD does answer prayers. Just have faith in the LORD, belive in the LORD!
has god answered your prayers before casados?
Well, Frank, that isn't prayer, that's bribery, isn't it?
But then again, I think we should have a night out, should I ever visit the city...
To quote Bill Maher:
"I don't pray. And I don't believe in Santa Claus, either."
I have a story to tell, also:
Once upon a time in a small town (probably in Texas along the coast), a minister and his family found themselves in a great quandary: flooding rains and rising water threatened their home. The minister took his wife and children to the upper floor of the house, and as he watched the floodwaters come up to the window, a rowboat piloted by one of his parishioners came by.
"Father! Climb in!"
"Thank you, Brother Jones; but the Lord will provide."
So the rowboat floated away, and the waters rose, and the preacher took his family up to the roof.
And as the man and his wife and his children stood clutching each other, another boat appeared, and the minister was again entreatied to board and be rescued.
This time the pastor assisted his family into the pirogue, but as for himself, "the Lord would provide".
Once again a boat departed and the waters rose still further.
The parson managed to climb into the branches of a tree next to his home and clung there for awhile, waters coming ever closer, until a third vessel approached him.
"Reverend! Get in the boat! PLEASE!"
"No, dear child, the Lord has spoken to me and He will provide."
So the little craft disappeared into the darkness, and the floods rose still more, and the clergyman was swept away and drowned.
In the afterlife he appeared before the throne of God, with more than a bit of consternation.
"Oh Lord, why didst thou forsake me?" he said in his best imitation of Jesus on the cross. "I spent my entire life devoted to You. I raised my family in Your devotion; I saved souls all across the county, and in my hour of need, when I told my neighbors You would provide, You abandoned me. Why, Lord? WHYYY?"
God looked down at the man and said, slightly perturbed:
"I sent three frickin' boats by for you; why didn't you get in one of them?"
casados1 wrote:GOD is real and he did give as only son to pay for are sin's JESUS see throw your heart!
Where should I throw it? Won't that hurt?
Is it possible for me to live through a heart-throw? "Cause, if I don't, and I don't wind up going to heaven, well...
...I'm going to be just a
little bit pissed off.
bigdice67 wrote:Well, Frank, that isn't prayer, that's bribery, isn't it?
But then again, I think we should have a night out, should I ever visit the city...
I'm sure that the entire of the Big Apple contingent will be delighted to join us when that happens.
And mind you...I have nothing against bribery (when I am the one receiving the bribe!)
Casados1 . . . . . thanks for the opinion??
