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A wish and a prayer for the Ukrainian democrats, please

 
 
dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 17 Dec, 2004 06:53 pm
Could be, indeed.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 02:38 pm
Quote:
Ukraine Activists Rethink Travel Plans
source: AP via Yahoo!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 06:34 pm
Talked to a friend whose daughter is there right now!!!!! Amazing feeling!!!!!!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 20 Dec, 2004 01:13 pm
Quote:
Ukraine rivals clash in TV debate

Rival presidential candidates in Ukraine have clashed in a live TV debate - days before Sunday's re-run of the disputed election.
Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, whose victory last month was declared illegal because of fraud, was facing opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko.

Mr Yushchenko, opening the debate, accused the authorities of rigging the original election against him.

Mr Yanukovych denied the claims, urging Mr Yushchenko to begin a dialogue.

Following the disputed election on 21 November the country was gripped by a political crisis, with hundreds of thousands of protesters on the streets of the capital Kiev.
Ukraine's Supreme Court ordered a re-run of the second round of voting.

Since then campaigning has been bitter, with both sides trading personal insults.

A convoy of Mr Yushchenko's supporters has been moving deeper into eastern areas which have shown strong support for his rival.

Meanwhile, Ukraine promises to be high on the agenda at talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in the German city of Hamburg.

Correspondents say both sides are keen to play down differences over the crisis.

Mr Putin originally backed Mr Yanukovych's candidacy and recognised his victory, but later accepted the need for a re-run of the poll.

Trading accusations

West-leaning Mr Yushchenko opened the 100-minute debate which was shown live on Ukraine's state television.

He said some 3.1 million votes were stolen by the authorities during the original run-off.

"They had tried to steal our future," Mr Yushchenko said.

Mr Yushchenko also praised hundreds of thousands of his supporters who took to the streets to protest over the disputed vote.

In his opening remarks, Moscow-backed Mr Yanukovych - speaking in Russian and later switching to Ukrainian - denied that he was the pro-government candidate.

Instead, he accused outgoing President Leonid Kuchma of uniting with "representatives of the orange coup" to act against the interests of the people.

And in an almost direct reference to President Kuchma, Mr Yanukovych called on Mr Yushchenko to begin a dialogue to prevent what he described as "the old powers" from dictating their will.
"Do you agree to calmly sit down together with me before the poll and agree how do we live after the poll?" Mr Yanukovych asked, saying he wanted to avoid any splits and clashes.

The debate sometimes looked like a shouting match as the rivals interrupted each other to trade accusations.

However, after the closing statements they shook hands.


Given the high level of interest in the election, TV sets showed the debate in many bars and public places.
Interest in the election was further heightened earlier this month, when doctors confirmed that Mr Yushchenko's mysterious illness in September was caused by poisoning.

Tests revealed that a huge dose of dioxin had been used, leaving the candidate's face disfigured.
Source
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 02:45 am
Quote:
Ukraine separatists given Russian arms, warns opposition

By Askold Krushelnycky in Kiev
22 December 2004


Fears are mounting that Boxing Day elections in Ukraine will be wrecked by an orchestrated campaign of violence after reports that pro-government "thugs" were being supplied with weaponry from a Russian naval base in Crimea.

Hryhoriy Omelchenko, an opposition MP, claims to have evidence that up to 300 AK-47 automatic rifles, as well as grenades and explosives, have been handed over to groups linked to separatist politicians in eastern Ukraine.

A spokesman for the Russian Black Sea fleet, based in the Ukrainian peninsula of Sevastopol, denied the allegations.

Mr Omelchenko, a former Soviet-era KGB officer who also served as a colonel in the Ukrainian intelligence service after independence, said he received his information from serving officers. "The intention is to use bloodshed to disrupt the election so badly that it is declared invalid," he told The Independent. Separatist politicians in east Ukraine threatened to declare the region autonomous and create "self- defence units" after the presidential election victory of their Kremlin-backed candidate, Viktor Yanukovych, the Prime Minister, was quashed and a new election ordered.

"[After the violence] they will argue that any new election should have neither [Viktor] Yushchenko nor Yanukovych as candidates and fix it for one of their people to win," he said.

Mr Omelchenko, the deputy chief of the parliamentary committee on organised crime and corruption, said the plan calls for police officers loyal to Mr Yanukovych from his eastern Ukrainian fiefdom of Donetsk, to lead "small groups of criminals" given guarantees of immunity.

"They will be in civilian cars, in convoys of about 10 cars with five people in each one," he said. "Their job will be to cause as much violence and mayhem as possible so the government declares the election invalid.

"I hope that if these people know their plans are no longer secret they will think twice about them and they will throw all these weapons down a well or an old mine shaft."

Volodymyr Lytvyn, the speaker of the parliament, said parliament would ask the prosecutor general's office and the SBU (Security Service of Ukraine) to investigate.

The pro-Western opposition leader, Mr Yushchenko, advocates Nato and European Union membership, and Vladimir Putin, Russia's President, has worked hard to prevent him becoming president.

Mr Putin visited Ukraine on the eve of both previous presidential election rounds, in October and November, to boost Mr Yanukovych's popularity among Ukraine's large Russian ethnic minority, and has been chastised by the West for unseemly interference.

There have also been reports that Russian special forces have been present in the country. Many of Mr Yushchenko's colleagues suspect Russia was involved in the poisoning, last September, of the opposition leader, which left him hideously scarred.

The opposition claims that as part of the scheme to use violence, the government has attempted to replace the chief of the civilian and paramilitary police in Kiev, the capital, with Vladimir Vorobyov, a general from Donetsk.

Yuriy Pavlenko, an opposition MP and Yushchenko ally, said government plans to unleash heavily armed paramilitary forces against pro-democracy protesters last month were only blocked by senior Kiev police officers who vowed to defend the protesters. He said the same people foiled the attempt to install General Vorobyov at a meeting last Friday night. Mr Pavlenko said: "I think they want bloodshed to start and for the police and special forces to stand by initially, and then to go in and attack the opposition supporters under the pretext of restoring peace."

The MP said that as part of an opposition compromise with the government last month, Leonid Kuchma, the outgoing President, was to fire the Minister for Internal Affairs, Mykola Bilokon, who has been accused of colluding in massive electoral fraud and of abusing his powers on many other occasions. Instead he was allowed to take leave. Mr Pavlenko believes General Bilokon may soon be reinstated.

"General Bilokon has proved in the past that he is ruthless and he knows that if Mr Yushchenko becomes president, he will be prosecuted. He has nothing to lose and the danger is that many of these people feel they have nothing to lose," Mr Pavlenko said.
Source
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SerSo
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 08:48 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Quote:
Ukraine separatists given Russian arms, warns opposition
Source

Another biased article thoughtlessly repeating the pre-election propaganda going from one side. Nonetheless it is very interesting as an example. There is so much hostility and unfounded accusations to their opponents that I am afraid it will be difficult for them to establish any acceptable level of relations with their current rivals after the elections. Lots of details are given to convince the reader that all this could be true. They even claim to know the number and type of guns "evil Russians" distributed among the "thugs" from the East. (AK-47 is an old type of Kalashnikov assault rifle of 7.42mm gauge. Where are they going to find a sufficient number of cartridges for them? The type the Russian army is equipped with is AK-74 of 5.45 gauge). Unfortunately the propaganda from the other side is no better: Yushchenko is called a nazi who is planning to deprive Russian orthodox believers of their churches, pays respect to SS veterans etc.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 22 Dec, 2004 11:26 am
Well, SerSo, actually this article reports, quotes even the sources.

So, why do you think it is biased?

And by "another biased article" - are you referring to The Independent in totaliter or only to their reports about the Ukraine?
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SerSo
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2004 01:48 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, SerSo, actually this article reports, quotes even the sources.

So, why do you think it is biased?

And by "another biased article" - are you referring to The Independent in totaliter or only to their reports about the Ukraine?


I am not referring to The Independent only. When I say “another biased article” I mean a whole series of suchlike reports from the Ukraine I have read. Unfortunately it would be extremely time consuming for me to go back and find all the links, sorry. But I will try to explain what I consider to be biased and why. For example: It looks like this article only recites sources in the Ukraine, but they know what sources to choose. If somebody reads a succession of such reports, he or she could think that all those who oppose Yushchenko are either gangsters or Russians who want the Ukraine to become a Russian province. Only one side’s point of view is valued, the other opinion is at best mentioned in one line, if not ignored at all. Unfortunately most references in this thread are of this sort. If somebody would like to understand the whole range of opinions existing in the Ukraine, this kind of reports is not the best way to do it. Fortunately I can read some Internet forums where different people from the Ukraine express their thoughts, and it helps me to understand the point of view of both parties there. Alas, I am not able to translate all this stuff into English and post here. But if the media chooses only one hero, and only his opinion is made the public domain with all allegations (even unfounded ones) he makes when speaking of the other side, I see such reports as one-legged, biased and at least non-professional. Unfortunately I am too familiar with this practice because all elections in Russia are accompanied by extremely biased media coverage. Life is not a piece of fiction where all characters are either good guys or villains, on the contrary it consists of real interests and different opinions, and each of them has certain reasons and is valuable.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2004 06:03 pm
Well, if there werent persuasive precedents, SerSo, it would be easier to dismiss stories like Omelchenko's, which might or might not turn out to just be political bravado.

I'm thinking, for example, of how the Russian army base in Moldova, then Lebed's fiefdom, furnished the Transnistrian separatists with arms and logistical support once the Moldovan nationalists got in a first election victory.

With such precedents, it's not strange that people are wary of such scenarios now.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 23 Dec, 2004 06:13 pm
But, for that matter, the Yanukovich supporters are not, in the papers here, described merely as Russians or gangsters - just so you know.

It's true that I've yet to see the first article that reports positively on the East-Ukrainian political leaders, but the supporters have been described in various reports (both from places like Donetsk and from the minority pro-Yanukovych rallies in Kiev) as people who just want stability, who appreciate the way Yanukovich has ensured prosperity for their region over the past years, who are loyal to their region's leader. People who are afraid of Ukrainian nationalism, and/or who say - "we've had turmoil and change for so long, the economy went down the drain - now we almost had achieved a certain stability, and these (Orange) people want to start changing everything again!". Better take a step in place and consolidate, was their take.

The reports from the Kiev rally also noted, by the way, how "orange" demonstrators - mostly students, cityfolk - mingled with the "blue-white" ones and started enthusiastically debating with them, with the different folks arguing, discussing, having a drink together, agreeing that there should be no bloodshed, then disagreeing again under whose leadership ... all peacefully if agitatedly.

That was in the Dutch newspapers, anyway, alongside the enthused reports from the "orange revolution".

So perhaps not all that one-sided, after all ... if not falling for the "they're both equally bad/unrepresentative/whatever" trap either.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 24 Dec, 2004 02:02 am
When you look at The Guardian or The Independent coverage for the Ukraine (same for the BBC and e.g. most German papers), you'll certainly find as well what nimh described above.

However, German papers point the last two days especially at the discrepancy about what Putin said here durinmg his visit this week and happened/happens now.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 12:42 pm
Ukraine's Supreme Court has voided as unconstitutional part of the electoral reform package approved earlier this month by the Ukrainian parliament, just one day before the country re-runs its presidential election, the results of which were voided by the high court on grounds of fraud. This time the court struck down a provision limiting voting from home, which had been challenged by supporters of Ukrainian Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych as discriminating against the disabled and housebound. The International Labor Organization estimates that Ukraine's disabled population runs to approximately 8 million, or 14% of the population, a rate twice that of other industralized countries due to injuries from coal-mining (largely in eastern Ukraine, Yanukovych's base), the Soviet war in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and the Chernobyl nuclar disaster.

Quote:
Ukraine's Constitutional Court says restrictions on home voting violate constitution; election to go on

Dec 25

KYIV (AP) - Ukraine's Constitutional Court ruled on Dec. 25 that parts of recent legislation restricting the voting rights of homebound people violate the country's constitution, clouding the presidential rerun vote one day before ballots were to be cast.

The decision by Ukraine's highest court won't delay Sunday's vote, but creates a headache for the Central Election Commission, which is required by law to implement the ruling, but has less than 24 hours to do so.

"We will fulfill the decision of the Constitutional Court," said Yaroslav Davydovych, head of the Central Election Commission. "We don't have another alternative. The vote must be held."

Supporters of opposition presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko had pushed for the restrictions saying they are necessary to prevent a repeat of the vote fraud that marred the Nov. 21 presidential runoff.

Ukraine's Supreme Court invalidated the results of the November vote, canceling the victory of Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych and ordering a new ballot on Dec. 26.

The Constitutional Court said in its ruling that the restrictions allowing only people with the most severe disabilities to vote at home were unconstitutional and must be lifted immediately.

It ordered the Central Election Commission to act immediately to implement its decision.

The move could benefit Yanukovych, who pushed for lifting the restrictions, saying they will deprive millions of their right to vote.

The United Nation's International Labor Organization website estimates that 14 percent of Ukraine's population, or about 8 million people, are disabled, which is twice the average of industrialized countries. According to the ILO, veterans of the Soviet Union's war in Afghanistan, the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, and the high number of accidents at coal mines in eastern regions of the country account for the high figures.

Nestor Shufrych, a lawmaker and Yanukovych ally, said the court's ruling would affect about 3 million people. He said Ukrainians who qualify have until 8 p.m. (1800 GMT) Saturday to notify their local election precinct that they want to vote at home.

However, it appeared unlikely that the cash-strapped Ukrainian government would be able to solve the major logistical problem of preparing those people to vote at the last minute.

That could become a basis for legal challenges to the election results.

"Of course, if one side or another is not pleased with the results of the vote, they will appeal on the basis of the Constitutional Court's decision," Shufrych said.

Yushchenko's spokeswoman, Iryna Herashchenko, insisted the ruling wouldn't harm the opposition leader's chances. "The decision of the court will not disrupt the election," she said.

Markian Bilinskyi, an analyst with the Kiev-based U.S.-Ukraine Foundation, said the ruling could "open a window for a substantial number of appeals."

"Depending on the margin between the two candidates, I think it gives ground for Yanukovych's people to question the legitimacy of the vote," Bilinskyi said. "It's a scorched earth tactic - to make sure Yushchenko does not get to the presidency if Yanukovych cannot win."

Yushchenko is considered the front-runner, with most poll results showing him easily defeating his rival, who was severely weakened by the court's annulment of his victory and massive opposition protests.

The Constitutional Court only began considering Yanukovych's appeal of the home-voting restrictions on Dec. 24, and it had not been expected to deliver a ruling so quickly.

A court official said the ruling would add legitimacy to the result of Sunday's vote.

"No one will ever be able to say that the president was elected illegitimately and illegally. It would have been a lot worse if we took the decision after the election," court chairman Mykola Selivon said.

Ihor Zdanov, a political analyst with Kyiv's Razumkov think tank, said the decision was not a victory for Yanukovych because it gives him too little time to react and the court upheld the other election law changes, making it more difficult to challenge the winner's victory in the courts.

Parliament passed the changes as part of a package deal that included political reforms initiated by allies of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma.

The court ruling didn't affect other parts of the deal. However, Yushchenko warned Dec. 24 that if his opponents sought to thwart part of the deal, his backers wouldn't hesitate to challenge the rest of the package, in particular reforms that weakened presidential power.

Tension is running high in Ukraine ahead of Sunday's vote, amid fears of violence. Police have pledged to maintain law and order during the rerun.

In a Friday night address to the nation, Kuchma - who has largely abandoned Yanukovych, his former protege - accused both candidates of turning the campaign bitter.

"Both sides succumbed to the temptation to attribute to oneself only glory and to accuse one's political rival of all sins, both unintentional and fictitious," Kuchma said.

"We must prove to ourselves and to the world that we are able honestly and without fear elect the person whom we consider the best, despite any pressure."

The vote will be monitored by 12,187 foreign observers from 43 international organizations and 31 countries.

Russia's fiery nationalist politician, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, was denied accreditation to help monitor the vote after missing the deadline by 24 hours, CEC's Davydovych said.
source: Kyiv Post
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SerSo
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 02:31 pm
nimh wrote:
[..]It's true that I've yet to see the first article that reports positively on the East-Ukrainian political leaders[..]


This is what I was writing about.

At least, I think, good for them that they called for a peaceful settlement and dialogue, and being in power they never attempted to use violence against the protesters. It was known in advance that there would be protests if Yanukovych were declared a winner, and they had enough time to prepare all their riot police in order to prevent mass gatherings from the very beginning. Instead of it huge quantities of police forces were mobilized to protect all government buildings from intrusion (they feared the same scenario that had been earlier in Serbia and Georgia). I would call this reaction very moderate. Before the elections Yanukovych declared that he would recognize Yushchenko’s victory if it were the people’s choice and after the second ballot he affirmed he did not need a fake win. He also said that he felt sorry for his opponent to have been poisoned. Unfortunately Yushchenko’s team appeared to be much less tolerant. Before the voting they claimed that they actually had overwhelming popular support but the official results would be undoubtedly fraudulent, and under these circumstances those who made manipulations in favour of Yanukovych did him really ill service. If I were convinced that my candidate had been robbed of votes I would also go to protest. But Yulia Timoshenko’s numerous appeals to the protesters (and before the ranks of riot police) to take the power by any means – are not they simply acts of provocation? And were Kuchma’s pre-election fears so needless, especially given Yushchenko’s attempt to take the oath of office before the parliament at the same time? Fortunately Mr.Lytvyn, the parliamentary speaker, hastily announced the sitting to be over, what made the oath merely symbolic.

I am writing all this in order to make you try to view the situation from another point. Eventually it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide at the tomorrow’s run-off who will deserve to be their leader, and I hope their new president will be fully legitimate. However I strongly believe that democracy is the approach to solving problems fairly and without ignoring minority’s interests. I am afraid the situation of the recent weeks made me doubt that Mr.Yushchenko is a true democrat irrespective of how much democratic and pro-western he declares himself. Whom he reminds me most is Mr.Yeltsin (the first Russian president of the post-soviet period), who used to be very popular for his determination to fight all the inequities of the Soviet system. In words he proclaimed freedom and democracy, became very friendly to the West and never stopped to use force against opponents, interpreting the law very freely and changing it at his own discretion. The current situation in Kiev seems to me very similar to that in Moscow in 1991.


nimh wrote:
[..][Yanukovych] supporters have been described in various reports (both from places like Donetsk and from the minority pro-Yanukovych rallies in Kiev) as people who just want stability, who appreciate the way Yanukovich has ensured prosperity for their region over the past years, who are loyal to their region's leader. People who are afraid of Ukrainian nationalism, and/or who say - "we've had turmoil and change for so long, the economy went down the drain - now we almost had achieved a certain stability, and these (Orange) people want to start changing everything again!". Better take a step in place and consolidate, was their take.[..]


Walter Hinteler wrote:
When you look at The Guardian or The Independent coverage for the Ukraine (same for the BBC and e.g. most German papers), you'll certainly find as well what nimh described above.[..]


I am really happy to hear this. Maybe my reaction was excessively emotional, it was mostly because I read too many one-sided reports lacking any thoughtful analysis and always blaming some evil forces in Russia. I hope the opinion of those who decided to back Yanukovych received the same detailed coverage as the actions and demands by Yushchenko’s supporters. BTW I do not think it was easy in a situation where the "orange" took to the streets and the "white and blue" remained more passive. But good journalism does not mean taking only what is on the surface.
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SerSo
 
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Reply Sat 25 Dec, 2004 02:32 pm
nimh wrote:
Well, if there werent persuasive precedents, SerSo, it would be easier to dismiss stories like Omelchenko's, which might or might not turn out to just be political bravado.

I'm thinking, for example, of how the Russian army base in Moldova, then Lebed's fiefdom, furnished the Transnistrian separatists with arms and logistical support once the Moldovan nationalists got in a first election victory.

With such precedents, it's not strange that people are wary of such scenarios now.

At first sight the conflict in Transdniestria has nothing to do with the current situation in the Ukraine. But it is a good illustration of what may happen (Lord forbid!) if political opponents are too determined to achieve their goals. Unfortunately your words only prove how biased information can simplify and misinterpret complex and dangerous situations. As far as I know the former Soviet military depots in the Transdniestrian region used to be robbed by both sides in 1992 and when general Lebed was nominated in charge of what remained of the 14-th Soviet army he ordered to bring down fire on anyone who would attempt to intrude. Before it the officers simply did not know to which army they belonged and whose orders they had to obey. This conflict blazed up just when my fellow students were there on holiday and they told me much how everything started to happen. Unfortunately it was another conflict where the reluctance to hear "the other side" resulted in bloodshed. The central government in Chisinau was then controlled by the Popular Front of Moldova and declared their intention to re-unite with Romania. The first thing they did was a ban on the use of the Russian language. Many people in Transdniestria started to protest, because the region, unlike the rest of Moldavia, never belonged to Romania and had a mixed population. Many people simply did not know Romanian. In answer to these anti-Romanian rallies the government obliged the industrial managers there to immediately translate all technical documentation into Romanian and ordered a mobilization of volunteers to send them to Transdniestria and make people there obey orders from Chisinau. In the same areas there were police stations loyal to the nationalist government in Chisinau and those loyal to the local authorities in Tiraspol, who declared independence under a slogan: "If you want to go to Romania, go there without us!" Both sides were already heavily armed, unfortunately. After some very bloody clashes (can you imagine what bloody clashes are?) general Lebed announced that he would not allow any more bloodshed and was going to stop anybody who would try to shoot. The people from Tiraspol understood it as some kind of support to them because they did not plan to attack, they wanted to separate. Chisinau did not took it seriously first because the Russian military used to observe all the past clashes with indifference. But at another attempt by Moldavian volunteers to shell a Transdniestrian city Lebed commanded his artillery to fire. Since then the "hot" war was stopped. Regrettably the ceasefire was not followed by any fruitful dialogue. Until now they only exchange ultimatums and remain separated. The Moldavian government is now controlled by communists who rejected the idea of unification with Romania. The regime is rather liberal but the country is poor with nearly all industries left over Dniester and almost all energy imported from their enemy in Tiraspol. Most income in their economy originates from the export of wines mainly to Russia and the Ukraine. Transdniestria is governed by the same warlords who used to beat back Moldavian volunteers in 1992 (do not think their regime is very liberal). The area is very poor and most their plants and factories have been bought up by Russian "oligarchs". Who has won? Hotheads in the Ukraine and everywhere, behold and beware!
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 01:12 pm
The Earthquake/Tsunami has sort of pushed the Ukraine out of the spotlight.

(Terrible over there, BTW)

But, look.

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All Exit Polls Give Yushchenko Major Lead

29 minutes ago Top Stories - AP

KIEV, Ukraine - All three exit polls tracking Sunday's presidential rematch in Ukraine projected opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko as the winner by a large margin over Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych.

The government -sponsored Ukrainian Institute of Social Research and Social Monitoring Center showed Yushchenko winning with 58.1 percent of the vote to 38.4 percent for Yanukovych. The margin of error was 2 percentage points .

The poll sampled 13,500 voters with face-to-face interviews at 360 polling stations throughout Ukraine. The survey was sponsored by nine state academic organizations, including sociologists' associations and six universities.

The Razumkov Center of Political Studies and Kiev International Institute of Sociology showed Yushchenko winning with 56.5 percent and Yanukovych collecting 41.3 percent of the vote. A margin of error was not provided.

The Razumkov poll surveyed some 30,000 voters in 360 polling stations using anonymous questionnaires. The center receives funding from numerous Western institutions including NATO (news - web sites), the United Nations (news - web sites) and the Soros Foundation.

A third exit poll, by Frank Luntz, a pollster for the U.S. Republican Party, and Douglas Schoen, of the Washington-based market research company Penn, Schoen & Berland, showed Yushchenko winning with 56 to Yanukovych's 41 percent, Schoen said. The margin of error was 2 percent points.

The latter poll surveyed about 10,000 voters on behalf of Ukraine's ICTV television, which is owned by outgoing President Leonid Kuchma's son-in-law Viktor Pinchuk.

Exit polls during the first two rounds of the election showed widely varying results, prompting questions about their validity.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 01:16 pm
Interfax-Ukraine published the following nearly 1 1/2 hours ago - no other results since then.

Quote:
KYIV. Dec 26 (Interfax-Ukraine) - Exit polls indicate that Viktor Yushchenko has collected over 10% of ballots than his rival Viktor Yanukovych in the Sunday presidential runoff in Ukraine.

According to a poll taken by Sotsmonitoring ,Yushchenko collected 58.1% of the vote and Yanukovych 38.4%, according to a poll of the Razumkov Center, 56.5% and 41.3% respectively and according to an Interfax poll, 53.0% and 41.3% respectively.

In addition in an exit poll conducted by U.S. Luntz Research Company for ICTV Yushchenko got 56% of the vote and Yanukovych 41%. [UA EUROPE EEU EMRG POL VOTE] ml



And from the Bulgarian newsagency:

Quote:
Kiev. Pro-Russian candidate for President of Ukraine Victor Yanukovych did not recognize his loss at the Presidential elections in the country despite exit poll results after the end of the Election Day, AFP reported.
Source
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 02:09 pm
I wonder what Putin's going to say?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 02:18 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
I wonder what Putin's going to say?


Following the meeting with Schröder last week in Germany, Putin said, Russia does not have a problem with any of the leaders running for president in Ukraine.

You think, he changed his view by now?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 02:33 pm
According to Interfax [3 minutes ago], after counting 1.77% of the votes at the second round of the Ukrainian presidential elections, the central elections Commission reported that Viktor Yushchenko has 71.11% of the votes while Viktor Yanukovych has 25.6%.

This strengthens earlier reports, when even less votes had been counted.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 26 Dec, 2004 03:42 pm
KYIV. Dec 26 (Interfax) - After counting 9.68% of the votes at the second round of the Ukrainian presidential elections, the central elections Commission reported that Viktor Yushchenko has 61.4% of the votes while Viktor Yanukovych has 35.22%.
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