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Science Deniers are Everywhere

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:10 pm
@maxdancona,
Which idea is that?
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Bill Nye the Thought Police Guy is not the only Climate Change Zealot to either advocate that deniers suffer some form of punishment or to coyly dance around the question of whether denial should be made illegal and deniers imprisoned.


Why all the pretense, Finn? An honest question. Is this new Finn just a ploy to make the old Finn seem "fair and balanced"?

Don't take this as an attack. It's an honest question.

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It's should astonish me that more liberals don't react to this sort of thinking with horror, but I'm afraid it does not. Particularly as it respects freedom of speech a great many liberals seem to be growing comfortable with illiberal positions.


Instead of your calculated dig at liberals, why not express your own outrage with such an anti-American notion, ie. Nye's ideas as regards "punishment" as you have presented them.

For the record, if what you say is true, I categorically reject such an idea, Nye's idea.

But you, yourself, actually do not. You support, in various ways, "selective silencing", pushing things to distance places and times to hide them, ...

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The problem with the term "science denier" is that it is most often used as a political weapon.


Yet you use, and support, other well known political weapons and you don't wax philosophically about how they are not conducive to the free exchange of ideas.
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centrox
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:16 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
"Everyone I don't like is Hitler".

We had a teacher at school whose nickname was "Mussolini". If you'd been there you'd know why.
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:18 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
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Which idea is that?


I already explained about that schemozzle, Finn, the one that came from the scientists.
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camlok
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:22 pm
@centrox,
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Some of the people I don't like are Göring or Himmler, occasionally they turn out to be Julius Streicher.


Wow, the gall, actually pointing fingers!

Or Tony Blair, or Margaret Thatcher or any of the other myriad UK war criminals/terrorists/baby killers/thieves/purveyors of genocide/rapists/... .
centrox
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 01:22 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Which idea is that?

The idea that dare not speak its name?
centrox
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 02:23 pm
@camlok,
camlok wrote:
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Some of the people I don't like are Göring or Himmler, occasionally they turn out to be Julius Streicher.


Oddly, the original of that post has vanished, I can't see why it would have been deleted; the only people it defamed were leading Nazis.
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 04:23 pm
@centrox,
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Oddly, the original of that post has vanished, I can't see why it would have been deleted; the only people it defamed were leading Nazis.


I don't know why it went missing either, Centrox, but only you, as a poster, have control of that button.

What it engendered is the apt comparison to Tony Blair, or Margaret Thatcher or any of the other myriad UK war criminals/terrorists/baby killers/ thieves/purveyors of genocide/rapists/... .
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centrox
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 04:34 pm
@centrox,
centrox wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Which idea is that?

The idea that dare not speak its name?

Or, the idea that cries out to Heaven for punishment?
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camlok
 
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Reply Sun 28 May, 2017 06:35 pm
@centrox,
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We had a teacher at school whose nickname was "Mussolini".


Was he the one that taught you about the English language/English grammar?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 03:23 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I really dont wish to pursue your assertion. (Its funny how your posts seem to fall beside those of others who spend time with camloks obsessive posts). Were your posts in "an open field of rasonable discourse" I may be tempted to continue.
As I said, I certainly do acknowledge the role of history (That bore my thought that this was a somewhat obvious point). Yet the concept of the forensics behind establishing "non primary source" evidence of the holocaust are predominantly scientific. To deny the history is to deny the components by which that history was determined to be TRUE. Hence a holocaust denier can certainly occupy both pedestals of denial, one being history and secondly, and equally important, SCIENCE.
If you deny that, I aint gonna spend anymore time with the point on my own. Olivier said it far more eloquently.

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Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 04:34 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
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The important distinction between history and science is not that the former contains any element of art but that it depends very heavily on the perspectives and interpretations of human nature that are particular to the historian or a given school of history and that these perspectives and interpretations differ among individual historians and schools and are not subject to a definitive validation or ranking.

The same applies to sociology though. There is also a lot of subjectivity in hard sciences, e.g. on determinism vs undeterminism in physics (Einstein's "God plays no dice" comes to mind) or the debates on the genetics of intelligence. So history might have more of that than physics but it's a matter of degree. Physics and history are not essentially different re. subjectivity.

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There are artists who call upon science in their pursuit of artistic truth,

Artists are looking for beauty, not for truth.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 04:40 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
The problem with the term "science denier" is that it is most often used as a political weapon.

Science denial -- defined as the conscious, systematic undermining of science in the public eye when science says something you don't like -- is itself a political activity in that it is meant to alter a country's politics. It follows that the fight against science denial is equally political. There's nothing wrong with that.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 04:42 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

This "thread" within the thread, which started some posts back with Finn and farmerman and has now had Max leap in, is a complete study in confusion.

It's called "muddling the water".
centrox
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 04:44 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
It's called "muddling the water".

Muddying the waters.





Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 04:57 am
@centrox,
Ha, thanks!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 05:28 am
@centrox,
"Muddling" would work also. Its a verb used in crafts like print making where we would mix various pigments with a "muddler' (like a big scraper). The word's been co-opted in daily use to imply something like confusion.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 08:50 am
@farmerman,
I knew of "muddling through" and mixed that with "muddying the water"...

My mind is all muddled now.
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camlok
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 09:08 am
@farmerman,
Regardless, you, the "scientist", were part and parcel of muddling and muddying the particular issue and the issues. Typical farmerman science.

Again, why is there what appears to be rational thought on your part and then crazy ranting. Mad scientist perhaps?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 29 May, 2017 09:13 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

It's called "muddling the water".


given that muddling is a thing in making cocktails

http://www.epicurious.com/expert-advice/muddling-tips-caipirinha-cocktail-article

that was a lovely use of the word
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