The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

You can't show how the argument is fallacious, all you can do is assert that it is fallacious.

Debra_Law wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Another thing that gets people marked down in debates is repeating a fallacy in a broken record fashion. It's consisdered bad form.

What do you allege to be a fallacy?

You repeat your anti-gay talking points like a broken record. You repeat your untenable defense of Inhofe like a broken record.

Physician, heal thyself.

It is a fallacy to draw an unproven inference from a statement and declare it to be fact.

It is further a fallacy that being in favor of or proud of one point of view, policy, value, process, etc. is evidence that the person is intolerant of other points of view, policies, values, processes.

It is a fact however, that some on this forum seem to have a very difficult time arguing a weak case without being personally insulting to others.

Pentagon lists homosexuality as disorder

WASHINGTON -- A Pentagon document classifies homosexuality as a mental disorder, decades after mental health experts abandoned that position.

The document outlines retirement or other discharge policies for service members with physical disabilities, and in a section on defects lists homosexuality alongside mental retardation and personality disorders.

Critics said the reference underscores the Pentagon's failing policies on gays, and adds to a culture that has created uncertainty and insecurity around the treatment of homosexual service members, leading to anti-gay harassment.

Pentagon spokesman Lt. Col. Jeremy M. Martin said the policy document is under review.

The Pentagon has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy that prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members but requires discharges of those who openly acknowledge being gay...

You oughtta see what current doctrine is regarding addiction and alcoholism...
archaic.

snood wrote:

You oughtta see what current doctrine is regarding addiction and alcoholism...
archaic.

Okay, I'll bite ... what is the Army's current doctrine regarding addiction and alcoholism?

There's one thing this thread has never established. Thomas, why are you homophobic, and is there any truth in the rumors about you and Foxfyre?

Like, we are still being told that the "average alcoholic" is a white male, between the ages of 35-45, of low income and socially dysfunctional in a lot of identifiable ways.

Gay marriage amendment `shamefully political,' congressman says
By Matt Stearns
McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON - If there's one thing U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri knows, it's marriage.

Over his career as a Methodist minister, he's performed nearly 400, and one phrase has passed his lips each time: "Marriage was instituted by God and signifies to us the uniting of this man and this woman in the church of Jesus Christ."

So with the House of Representatives expected to vote this week on a constitutional amendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman, you might expect Cleaver - the only practicing minister in Congress - to stand firmly behind the effort.

Think again. The whole thing makes him spitting mad.

"This is shamefully political and sinfully divisive," Cleaver said during an interview in his Capitol Hill office. "It's bad theology because there is nothing biblical about creating divisions between people."

Bad theology, perhaps. But many Republicans see it as good politics.

The House vote will have no substantive impact. There aren't enough supporters to win the two-thirds vote necessary for a constitutional amendment to pass. Even if the House did pass it, the Senate's rejection of the measure earlier this year means it won't become law.

But the measure is part of the conservative "American Values Agenda" unveiled by House Republicans earlier this year. Republicans see the issue as one that will fire up a disaffected base before tough mid-term elections this fall.

"This is a vote many members asked for," said Kevin Madden, spokesman for House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. "It's an issue folks feel strongly about and they want to have a vote."

Cleaver's background as senior pastor of St. James United Methodist Church in Kansas City gives him a unique perspective among members of Congress on his opposition to the amendment: He says government shouldn't meddle in a religious sacrament.

"Marriage is a spiritual issue," said Cleaver, a Democrat. "That's not for the Congress to dictate, no more than it's appropriate for Congress to dictate how much bread should be used in communion. Communion is a sacrament. Marriage is a sacrament. Why not just put all the sacraments in the Constitution?"

July 17, 2006
Gay Rights Group: Dobson Manipulated Data
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:05 p.m. ET

DENVER (AP) -- Members of a group supporting parental rights for gays and lesbians accused Focus on the Family founder James Dobson of manipulating research data to say gays and lesbians are not good parents, and began a 65-mile march Monday to confront him at his Colorado Springs headquarters.

A Focus on the Family official denied the allegation.

Soulforce Executive Director Jeff Lutes said Dobson's statements have brought rejection and ridicule on gay and lesbian parents, and the group wants him to stop.

''That misinformation has real tragic results. It makes living for families like ours much more difficult. We are rejected sometimes by loved ones, we are shunned by churches and we are discriminated against in every state in this country,'' Lutes said at a rally before the march.

Judith Stacey, a sociologist at New York University, said her work was manipulated in an attempt to show gays and lesbians do not make good parents.

''This is a direct misrepresentation of the research,'' she said.

Focus on the Family spokesman Glenn Stanton cited other research -- including an article co-authored by Mary Parke, a policy analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy, that shows that children need a mother and a father, regardless of the parents' sexual orientation.

''We haven't said anything about sexual orientation,'' he said.

Another spokesman, Gary Schneeberger, said Focus on the Family declined to meet privately with members of Virginia-based Soulforce last year but offered to hold a public debate, which Soulforce refused.

''This is a public issue. We should have a public debate,'' he said.

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July 17, 2006
Gay Rights Group: Dobson Manipulated Data
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:05 p.m. ET

DENVER (AP) -- Members of a group supporting parental rights for gays and lesbians accused Focus on the Family founder James Dobson of manipulating research data to say gays and lesbians are not good parents, and began a 65-mile march Monday to confront him at his Colorado Springs headquarters.

House Conservatives Reveal What God Thinks About Gay Marriage Amendment

The constitutional ban on gay marriage was defeated yesterday in the House. During the debate, several right-wing congressmen revealed what God thinks about the gay marriage amendment:

Rep. John Carter (R-TX): "It's part of God's plan for the future of mankind."

Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN): "It wasn't our idea, it was God's."

Rep. Bob Beauprez (R-CO): "We best not be messing with His plan."

Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA): "I think God has spoken very clearly on this issue."

http://www.thinkprogress.org/

NPR's Morning Edition uncritically reported Arkansas lawmaker's claim that "over 10,000" studies show gay parents are "problematic for the child"
On NPR's Morning Edition, reporter Jacqueline Froelich aired Arkansas GOP state Sen. Jim Holt's assertion that "there are thousands of studies, actually ... over 10,000" that show "the homosexual family or the environment is problematic for the child." Froelich did not challenge Holt's dubious citation of 10,000 studies -- a figure apparently based on a claim by James Dobson -- which would be possible only if a new study reaching that conclusion had been released every day for the past 27 years

Ban on Gay Rabbis May Be Lifted


By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 7, 2006
Filed at 4:17 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- A key Conservative Jewish leader is organizing talks nationwide to tell synagogues that the movement will likely roll back its ban on ordaining openly gay rabbis by year's end.

He and two religious law experts joining him at the meetings are trying to help congregations prepare for the confusion and discomfort to follow.

Prop. 107 infringes upon people's rights
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 09.06.2006

As an inclusive society, we are wrong to deny homosexuals the right to marry. Proposition 107 and current state law unfairly discriminate against our fellow taxpaying citizens who are as ethical and moral as the rest of us.
This failure to find a place at the "marriage table" for this group is a blight on our national character. The laws of marriage can be changed. Homosexuality cannot. Since marriage has been a dynamic, evolving institution for hundreds of years, there is precedent for change...

I am unaware of any valid secular arguments against gay marriage, so let's get right to the anti-gay marriage "ground zero": the religious right. This self-anointed and self-serving group asserts that our democracy should be guided by Christian doctrine. To them, homosexuality is a sin because it is a personal choice that is an abomination to God (Leviticus 18:22). In permitting gay marriage or in recognizing legal status for these unmarried persons, our government would be sanctioning and magnifying this biblical prohibition...

The religious right will state that our institution of marriage, with its 50 percent heterosexual divorce rate, is doing just fine. They will remarkably assert that a child in the home of a mismatched, hateful, dysfunctional straight couple heading toward divorce is still preferable to a child in a harmonious, loving and nurturing home of a stable and committed gay couple.