The anti-gay marriage movement IS homophobic

So, you think the Bloomberg link is a lie, as well? Seriously?

That isn't a left-wing site in the slightest...

Cycloptichorn

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Though why I am surprised by your head-in-the-sand attitude, I don't know; it is consistent with pretty much every other opinion you've presented here.

Foxfyre continually writes:

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Facts be damned! Full speed ahead with the beliefs!

Here's the full quote:

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Cycloptichorn

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Fox, the video at the first site I linked to does, in fact, work; you need to install apple's quicktime video viewer to see it.

Here's a link for ya, just so you don't have any other excuses:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html

And here's a direct link to the video, so you don't have to hurt your eyes looking at that awful liberal anti-bush site which is so offensive to your sensibilities:
http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/inhofe.320.240.mov

Believe it now, or are your eyes and ears lying to ya as well?

Cycloptichorn

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Sorry, I've got all the video players and I can't get it to work. Maybe a different link? I haven't called anybody a liar at all. I have simply stated that I haven't seen any credible evidence that the quote is accurate. I have, however, many times seen a quote made up by somebody that is eagerly posted again and again on other websites. Until the MSM picks it up, however, I don't give these much credence. The MSM is 100% mum on it so far as I can tell however.

If that is not the case this time I'll acknowledge it. Until then, I'll need to see some proof before I'll believe Inhofe was stupid enough to say such a thing publicly, at least in the way it is being portrayed.

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I find it hilarious that on one hand, the MSM is derided by Conservatives as liars, opportunists, liberals and friends of terrorists; but on the other, if it isn't reported in the MSM, it isn't 'news.'

I know the video works, because I just watched it again. Are you positive that you have quicktime? I'll try to find another link for ya today... just so you can see the kind of things Republicans are willing to say in public...

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I find it hilarious that on one hand, the MSM is derided by Conservatives as liars, opportunists, liberals and friends of terrorists; but on the other, if it isn't reported in the MSM, it isn't 'news.'

I know the video works, because I just watched it again. Are you positive that you have quicktime? I'll try to find another link for ya today... just so you can see the kind of things Republicans are willing to say in public...

Cycloptichorn

Hmm, so Inhofe is "the Republicans" huh? And whatever he says in public applies to all Republicans? Does that criteria also apply to Democrats? If so, I have some dandy quotes to throw at you to indict all Democrats everywhere for all time.

And no, I don't have much faith in the MSM to report a whole lot honestly and/or accurately. I have HUGE faith in them to report anything negative about a Conservative if they can, however. This is why I think their non-coverage of this issue makes it suspicious in the way it is being portrayed on the leftwing blogs.

I also have HUGE faith in the Democrats to use such an issue for political advantage and to refer to it again and again everytime they can find a camera and a microphone. It hasn't been happening in this case.

And yes, I play other things easily on Quicktime so I don't know what the problem is with this one. I would appreciate a good link to the video, however, and one with the lead in and follow up to the specific quote so I will know it is being quoted in context.

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This is really pathetic, foxfrye, there is nothing wrong with the link to the Think Progress watch it to the Inhofe statements regarding his family and homesexual relationships. Your claim about left wing sites might be getting it out of context is silly as well considering its his own words out of his own mouth and it couldn't be clearer. I think he meant exactly what he said, in his family there has never been a history of a homosexual relationship.

http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/inhofe.320.240.mov

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But in what context did he say it Revel? Did he follow up with something like offering that as an explanation that he doesn't have first hand knowledge of the issue or something? Maybe he followed with something like he realizes his is not the typical family. In other words, does the quote show the context in which he made the statement? There is something definitely fishy about this. I just used Quick Time to look at two other videos and it worked fine. When I access that link however, all I get is the little bar moving across and no sound or picture. So again, I don't know what the problem is.

Okay I found another site with the link and played it. And no context is offered. So the jury is still out wouldn't you think? Given the ease in which video can be manipulated by Quick Time, that is also another possibility. The MSM and the other Democrats on the Hill are ignoring this. That should tell you a whole lot.

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There is no possible context that would excuse saying that one is proud not to have had any homosexuals in one's family, Fox. It is a sign of bigotry.

I never stated that what Inhofe said applied to all republicans, either. Stop building strawmen.

Perhaps you should try updating to the latest version of quicktime. It only takes a minute, you don't even have to close your browsers to do it.

Cycloptichorn

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

There is no possible context that would excuse saying that one is proud not to have had any homosexuals in one's family, Fox. It is a sign of bigotry.

I never stated that what Inhofe said applied to all republicans, either. Stop building strawmen.

Perhaps you should try updating to the latest version of quicktime. It only takes a minute, you don't even have to close your browsers to do it.

Cycloptichorn

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I know the video works, because I just watched it again. Are you positive that you have quicktime? I'll try to find another link for ya today... just so you can see the kind of things Republicans are willing to say in public...

Where is your qualification re Republicans? Wouldn't you say a sentence like that suggests that it applies to ALL Republicans?

If your intent can be so easily misconstrued, and I will accept it if you say that it was, then perhaps you won't be so quick to assume the intent of one Republican with so little to go on than a short clip, unsupported by context, and so easily manipulated by a Quick time editor.

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What would be a good reason to be proud that there have never been any gays in one's family?

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So, you flat out claim that this tape was edited to include words that Inhofe didn't say. Unbelievable.

I'm not going to be dragged into a side argument about what I meant when I said 'Republicans.' So you can pretty much forget about trying to change the subject in that sense.

If you cannot prove that the video was edited, then you have nothing other than your lack of willingness to believe to support your contention that he didn't say what he is on tape saying.

Cycloptichorn

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I'm still waiting for evidence that Inhofe is being quoted accurately and/or in context.

(1) You now have evidence that Inhofe is being quoted accurately. I cannot provide context for you, but I'm curious: What kind of context can you imagine that would redeem the following quote?

Mr. Inhofe wrote:

As you see here, and I think this is maybe the most important prop [the photo] we'll have during the entire debate, my wife and I have been married 47 years. We have 20 kids and grandkids. I'm really proud to say that in the recorded history of our family, we've never had a divorce or any kind of homosexual relationship.

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Freeduck I don't know. Why would anybody be proud to say that there have been divorces and homosexual relationships in their family? There have been both in my family and I have been disappointed in the divorces and neutral on our beloved gay relatives. That's my ideology. I don't know whether Inhofe would be tolerant of a gay relative or not. If he experienced such, he might or might not be more understanding and tolerant. I don't think you can make a case for bigotry on one out-of-context statement. I choose not to judge people in such matters.

Cyclop, please post the exact quote in which I made any such claim. You know it really helps if you don't deal with what you seem to hope I said so you can attack it. Probably if we stick to what I specifically said, the debate would be more coherant. It also helps if you can focus long enough to stay on one subject for more than one post.

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Freeduck I don't know. Why would anybody be proud to say that there have been divorces and homosexual relationships in their family? There have been both in my family and I have been disappointed in the divorces and neutral on our beloved gay relatives.

So I take it you wouldn't stand up with a picture of your family in front of a bunch of people and claim how proud you are of that then?

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I don't think you can make a case for bigotry on one out-of-context statement. I choose not to judge people in such matters.

Can you give me a plausible context that would make that statement not bigoted?

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Foxfyre wrote:
I'm still waiting for evidence that Inhofe is being quoted accurately and/or in context.

(1) You now have evidence that Inhofe is being quoted accurately. I cannot provide context for you, but I'm curious: What kind of context can you imagine that would redeem the following quote?

Mr. Inhofe wrote:
As you see here, and I think this is maybe the most important prop [the photo] we'll have during the entire debate, my wife and I have been married 47 years. We have 20 kids and grandkids. I'm really proud to say that in the recorded history of our family, we've never had a divorce or any kind of homosexual relationship.

Have you ever looked at the Quick Time program? It was designed to be able to play videos and also edit them. And believe me, a great deal of mischief can be accomplished by doing that. So again, we have what sounds like an authentic quote. We do not have the sentences leading up to it or anything following it, so even if it is accurate, we don't know whether it was qualified by what follows.

No, I don't have any evidence. And I'm guessing, since neither the MSM nor the Democrats on the Hill have not capitalized on this, neither do you or anybody else. Are you jumping on the bandwagon to condemn Inhofe because you want to believe he is a homophobic bigot? I don't know whether he is nor not. I am not willing to condemn anybody--Left, Right, or Martian--on such skimpy evidence as is offered here, however.

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It isn't 'out-of-context' in the slightest. Here the man is in front of the Senate arguing against Gay marriage, and he states that he is proud that there are no homosexuals in his families. That's context! You are trying to find some defense for the man, I understand that, but there really isn't any defense for bigoted statements such as this.

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Cyclop, please post the exact quote in which I made any such claim. You know it really helps if you don't deal with what you seem to hope I said so you can attack it. Probably if we stick to what I specifically said, the debate would be more coherant. It also helps if you can focus long enough to stay on one subject for more than one post.

This coming from the person who accused me of claiming that 'all' republicans felt the exact same way about gay marriage? Obviously, I never said this, yet you pounced upon it to try and accuse me of making blanket statements because that was your 'interpretation' of what I said.

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Given the ease in which video can be manipulated by Quick Time, that is also another possibility.

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If your intent can be so easily misconstrued, and I will accept it if you say that it was, then perhaps you won't be so quick to assume the intent of one Republican with so little to go on than a short clip, unsupported by context, and so easily manipulated by a Quick time editor.

And you construe this to mean that you are not forwarding the theory that the video was edited? Or stating that you simply won't believe it because there is a possibility that the video was edited?

Sheesh. Talk about mendacity.

Cycloptichorn

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And I'm guessing, since neither the MSM nor the Democrats on the Hill have not capitalized on this, neither do you or anybody else.

You're wrong, we do have evidence - a perfectly good video of the Senator himself stating exactly what we are claiming he stated. You are the one who is saying the video can't be trusted, but have forwarded no proof at all that this is true.

You can't discount evidence just because you don't want to believe it is true.

Cycloptichorn

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Cyclo, I don't have Quicktime on my computer here at work. So could you tell me if this was a floor speech? Or was it some comment he made on the sidelines.

Foxfyre, assuming Cyclo's answer to my last question is "yes", his speech will show up in the congressional record soon. If he is sure the quote is accurate and in-context, and you are not, why don't the two of you bet on it? 10:1 maybe, to account for the fact you're not sure? How about it?

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