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The NEXT coming Oz election thread!

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 10:07 pm
& here's today's AGE editorial:

Australia cannot afford to silence the voice of science
February 14, 2006/the AGE

Good science and a healthy society depend on dissenting opinion - an independent CSIRO is a crucial part of that.

There is a serious problem trying to balance scientific goals with those of the marketplace, let alone political and religious ideology. In Australia the brand we have learned to trust with the mission of interpreting our world has come with the initials CSIRO. The success of its Total Wellbeing Diet book is testament to the value of the organisation's reputation. In the 20 or more years since evidence began to emerge that human activity might be causing climate change, Australian scientists doing world-class research on the topic worked under the CSIRO flag. Unfortunately, the implication of their message was not necessarily what business and government leaders wanted to hear, especially when it challenged the belief in the right to conduct business as usual. It was a case of not liking the news carried by the messenger. In time-honored tradition, as revealed in The Age, the messenger was, if not shot, at least silenced.

The former head of the CSIRO's Division of Atmospheric Research, Dr Graeme Pearman, was one such messenger, who committed the sin of straying into making warnings that business as usual would lead Australia and the rest of the planet into potentially catastrophic climate change. Ironically, it seems even the sceptics in government have now accepted the truth of these warnings. However, the question at issue seems to be the right of a government-paid scientist to make them. There is a fear that Australia might be going down the same path as the US, which has provided several examples of scientific opinion being silenced when it causes political embarrassment.

The role of science in our lives is often contentious. The debate about the abortion drug RU486 goes to the heart of whether science-based assessment can be trusted to guide public decision making. It is clear many Australians think it is better to make these decisions on reasoned knowledge-based argument, involving a panel of medical experts in the case of RU486, rather than the dictates of ministers guided by their religious faith.

But scientists do not always cover themselves with glory, sometimes falling victim to temptation and vanity, like humans of any endeavour. Last year's revelations of deception and fraud involving South Korea's leading stem cell researcher, Hwang Woo-suk, not only undermined faith in the work undertaken in that country but gave heart to science sceptics everywhere. In reality, this was an egregious departure from the principles of good science as practised by organisations such as the CSIRO. Human history has never known a time when verifiable, scientific knowledge held more sway over our lives. The results are all around us in the technology we use, the medicine that extends our lives and even the social research that assists us to get along with each other. It has delivered results in improving global living standards. Yet it often has a blind side. The pursuit of a simple technological outcome can lead to an unintended imbalance. The technology that developed the steam engine in the 19th century gave us railways and electric power and in the past century the motor car was probably the most iconic symbol of industrial prowess. Undoubtedly electricity and mobility have changed society for good, but the downside has been the effects on climate, an insidious change that non-scientists have been slow to recognise.

That is why an organisation like the CSIRO needs to be at arm's length from government. In recent years there have been increasing pressures to divert resources from pure to applied or industrial research. Less effort is put into pure science - understanding how the world works - with hard-to-predict but broad benefits, and more is diverted to seeking short-term, profitable results. The truth is we need a balance. We need to be able to design and produce gadgets to make our lives better, while we also need an overview to warn us when scientists make findings that ought to concern us all. The claims by Australian scientists that they were gagged must be examined by an independent inquiry. The value of the CSIRO to Australia depends hugely on it having the integrity and independence to do its scientific work, and report on it, free of short-sighted political or commercial interference.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/editorial/australia-cannot-afford-to-silence-the-voice-of-science/2006/02/13/1139679531907.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 10:12 pm
Enough for the time-being?

Aghhhhhhhhhhh!

I could just weep, honestly I could! Sad
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dadpad
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2006 11:07 pm
we have been giving away pur best for years Msolga. I got over it years ago. Its still wrong though.

Macadamia nuts. Local situation is improving

acacia for perfume

quandongs to israel. they have bred different strains and now claim its a native of isreal

go buy some eucalyptus oil, its probably from portugal or spain

many many natives for cut flowers

Eucs for timber, millions of hectares in brazil and other sth american countries.

I could go on but you get the picture I'm sure.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2006 02:04 am
Not to mention VEGEMITE, dadpad! Now, who would have thought ......?
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 04:35 pm
http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/16/1702moirtoon_gallery__470x287,0.jpg

A rare day when the party lines fell away
February 17, 2006/SMH

AFTER a lengthy and at times hugely personalised debate to strip the minister for health of his or her approval powers over so-called abortion drugs, one would expect a formal recording of the numbers on the vote.

But in the end there was not even a show of hands.

The two sets of amendments were voted down by greater numbers than were expected but the bill itself was passed not by a formal counting of votes but on the voices. That is when the Speaker calls for a vote and those in support say "aye" and those against say "no".

If that is disputed then a division is called, people dash into the chamber, a count is taken and an official list of names is prepared for both sides. But yesterday that did not happen.

This caught several members by surprise, including the new parliamentary secretary to the Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull.

Although Mr Turnbull voted for both amendments, he still wanted to vote for the bill but was not given a chance to do so. He asked the Speaker to record his vote but the final numbers will not be known.

This might disappoint the churches, doctors and community groups who have been frantically lobbying on the issue. ... <cont>

http://smh.com.au/news/national/a-rare-day-when-the-party-lines-fell-away/2006/02/16/1140064202475.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 16 Feb, 2006 04:42 pm
Last Update: Friday, February 17, 2006. 8:07am (AEDT)

Labor goes on offensive over AWB tax deduction claim

The Federal Opposition says allegations AWB claimed tax deductions on kickbacks to the Iraqi regime further link the Government to the wheat scandal.

The Australian Tax Office will investigate revelations at the Cole Inquiry that Australia's wheat exporter claimed tax deductions for kickbacks.

Labor's Kevin Rudd says if the allegations are true, the Government owes the public an explanation.

"What it does demonstrate is that the Howard Government is into this $300 million scandal up to its neck," he said.

The Foreign Affairs Minister, Alexander Downer, told Lateline he does not know about AWB's accounting arrangements.

"I'm sure they didn't put in their tax returns kickbacks and claim a deduction and the tax office said well look that's fine," he said.

The Opposition is also demanding an explanation for Cole Inquiry evidence which suggests AWB executives seconded to Iraq's provisional government secured a top job in the provisional trade ministry for a Saddam Hussein loyalist.

In other developments:

Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer says he is sure the Australian Tax Office (ATO) had no idea that wheat exporter AWB was claiming its kickbacks to Saddam Hussein as a tax deduction. (Full Story)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200602/s1571978.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 20 Feb, 2006 05:55 am
http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/19/cartoon20206_gallery__470x331,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 02:53 am
http://smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/02/20/2102moirtoon_gallery__470x299,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Feb, 2006 03:01 am
I may take a wee siesta from this thread.
I'm the only person posting & the only person reading.
Weird: I find it all so interesting! Maybe I'm a bit odd.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 22 Feb, 2006 05:00 pm
I'm still reading Olga. I think AWB may just sink 'Honest' John Howard. Then I see Alan Jones on telly saying that the ALP should stop lollygobbing (or some such word) about AWB and do something about child care....

what the?

Of course, just say the libs are out - then it's beazles in hardly a reason to be dancing in the streets.
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dadpad
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 12:18 am
the papers (The Ague) here in Vic. are full of "the people love John Howard" stories. Reportedly because they are better off in the hip pocket.

Are we all that shallow?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 23 Feb, 2006 01:28 am
Absolutely - the key issue in the last election was interest rates. Sheeit.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2006 10:29 pm
Kim Beazley/Laurie Oakes transcript...

Urk. I reiterate: Kim is a dud. The waffle on Crean was painful to watch. The reptition of the 'keywords' his minders thrust on him was painful to listen to (arrogant, corrupt, out of control). Sigh.

Julia and Kevin, please save us.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2006 07:32 am
<big, deep, sad sigh>

Sad

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/03/03/cartoon_0403_gallery__470x338.jpg
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 6 Mar, 2006 04:37 pm
Crean survived!!!

Julia is happy and Kim yet again looks like a dud....
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 03:05 am
Phew, what a relief! Simon Crean actually won in his electorate.!
Not being an in-the-know ALP factional member :wink: I had no idea of how it would go for him. And was worried that the worst could happen!
So Bravo, Simon! (Always thought you were straight - for a politician! :wink: This fight was a bitter one. There was little, really, for you to gain but a victory for principle. And a belief that the party CAN lift itself out of this ugly, self-serving, right-wing factional bog! The ALP is so much better than this! It has been before & it can be again!
I have the greatest respect for the other ALP folk who put themselves on the line for this one: Barry Jones, Martin Ferguson, Joan Kirner & Julia Gillard. To speak out was risky, but they did it. Bravo!
And it's a start. That's definitely something!
Let's see what happens now ...

As for Kim: Kim Who?
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 03:21 am
... & as for "ethnic war lords" making deals with dodgy factional leaders to deliver block votes of Vietnamese, Greeks, Macedonians, whatever ..... Let's hope this has exposed them for what they really are: Self-serving opportunists who treat their own (ethnic) communities with utter disdain. Shame on them! And congratulations to the Cambodians in Simon Crean's ALP branch, who clearly demonstrated that they have minds of their own, thank you!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Mar, 2006 04:27 am
Crean's shock win a jolt for Beazley
Michael Bachelard and Samantha Maiden
March 07, 2006/The Australian

SIMON Crean was last night celebrating a crushing preselection victory that will pile the pressure on Kim Beazley's leadership of the divided Labor Party.

A jubilant Mr Crean, who had been widely expected to lose the ballot of grassroots Labor members to challenger Martin Pakula after a bitter factional battle, immediately vowed to members stay on "as long as you want me".

The former Labor leader shocked Mr Pakula, state secretary of the National Union of Workers, by winning 196 votes to 88 in the contest for the outer Melbourne seat of Hotham -- a result that has saved his 16-year political career. ... <cont>

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18375929%255E601,00.html
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 9 Mar, 2006 04:46 pm
I include the below story for a couple of reasons

a) Alan Jones did a spiel on this this morning on telly. I thought 'Jones having a go at the government, what gives?' My research shows that the story is nearly a month old, and that Flugge resigned several days ago. So I thought about it some more - given Jones cries for the ALP to stop harping on about AWB recently I think it's not unreasonable that he is now looking for a scapegoat, forever the apologist for a government that puts him on the boards of government agencies.

b) Jones did not (shock!) go a level deeper and ask questions about a government that no longer provides services, instead it contracts them out to private organisations, under the guise of efficiency (the old 'private enterprise is much more efficient flexible than a bureaucracy' line).

Those of us who pay attention knows what it really means is that if something goes wrong the private provider can be hung out to dry, and blamed for the fiasco. It also means the people who are meant to be serviced invariably get short shrift - even when things don't go wrong.

When governments turn into contract managers and contracts are monitored by simple mathematical outcomes reality is often hidden. A provider can say 'we had this many Sudanese refugees go to english classes' and get paid. But they don't say how good the teacher was, how much the Sudanese learnt or how appropriate the training was, how they will help those got less out of it than others, or how it actually helped them live in our society. The nature of a contract rarely allows for action on needs identified after the contract has commenced - the contract itself makes the provider less flexible, but when contracts are made more flexible the risk of fraudulent claims is massively increased.

There is no thought for the next step, the contract becomes god for the govt and the provider - when it should be the recipients of the service.

There are other casualties as well eg The Salvation owes the govt $9 million dollars (http://finance.news.com.au/story/0,10166,18125719-462,00.html).

The government's model of contracting out services removes it's duty of care and legislative responsibilities while allowing it to implement activities, by selecting an appropriate provider, that a government would face massive fallout for implementing with it's own bureaucracy. Like say, dumping indigenous Cape York youths in Victorian farming communities in a 'sink or swim' work socialisation scheme.


Source

From wooing Saddam to unsettling refugees
Email Print Normal font Large font By Craig Skehan
February 14, 2006


Top gun … Trevor Flugge in Iraq.


TREVOR FLUGGE, at the centre of the storm of over wheat kickbacks to Iraq, has been named at a Senate committee hearing over his connection to a company embroiled in controversy over the resettlement of refugees.

Mr Flugge, the former chairman of AWB, is non-executive chairman of IBT Education, which last October bought ACL Pty Ltd within days of beginning a five-year resettlement contract with the Federal Government.

There have since been angry allegations against the company by non-profit community groups previously paid by the Commonwealth to resettle refugees.

At a Senate estimates committee hearing in Canberra yesterday there was Opposition questioning over specific ACL cases, including one reported by the Herald of a man with no legs housed in a first floor Granville flat with no lift. Ahmed Ahmed lost his legs in a train accident in Egypt shortly before he was to come to Australia. He postponed his arrival to last month.

At yesterday's hearing, the Immigration Minister, Amanda Vanstone, said she was not satisfied with explanations about Mr Ahmed's treatment.

She noted his mother had been living in a first floor apartment. A first-floor flat without a lift for someone needing a wheelchair was "inexplicably unsatisfactory".

Senator Annette Hurley (Labor) raised the matter of Mr Flugge's IBT paying $55million for ACL. Officials said they were unaware of any ministerial contact with Mr Flugge.

A spokesman for the National Party MP John Cobb, at the time the minister responsible for refugee services, said last night Mr Cobb never had any discussions with Mr Flugge about the acquisition of ACL or the resettlement services contract.

The Government yesterday undertook to take up with ACL a number of issues related to service delivery.

Jenny Whitmarsh, managing director of ACL's government programs, last night defended the handling of Mr Ahmed's case. She said he had initially refused an offer of ground floor accommodation because he wanted to stay with his mother.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 11:16 pm
The battle we had to have!:

http://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5120605,00.jpg
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